Would it be better off if there were no Crystal?

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ChibiBoi said:
Besides, people thought the original sailor moon was bad too.
First of all, people's opinion of Sailor Moon in general has been influenced by the awfulness of Crystal. That's why I said in other post that it has damaged its reputation. Other incarnations of Sailor Moon have been affected as well. A lot people are just realizing the faults with the manga while most Crystal fans are trying to take down the '90s anime as an (irrational) response to the bad reception of Crystal. But even then, "sailor moon crystal is bad" is the no. 1 result whereas the general "sailor moon is bad" is the 5th one. That's very telling.

imaginationgirl said:
Brings more fans to the franchise.
More like fans are flocking away from it. :p

Leia the Rebel said:
people really need to dial back the hate
No, we need more hate! It's delicious. :booze:
 
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I feel like all these Crystal haters would be happier if we got Saban Moon or a live action Sailor Moon movie. :o Oh wait, you guys are divided amongst yourselves, half of you want a manga adaptation of the anime with no changes and the other half of you guys wants a 90s style reboot. Some of you want a full color manga, others want more backstory and expansion on certain things. Or a book about Naoko Takeuchi and the history of Sailor Moon. There's just no pleasing you guys, is there? :o I swear that pic where Usagi has a derpy face and says I have nothing else to do anyway represents you Crystal haters. You guys have nothing else to do except hate and pick apart Sailor Moon anyway. :o I'm embarrassed to even call some of you guys Moonies. Just stop picking apart the show frame by frame and subtitle by subtitle!! You guys are so blinded by your hatred that your pissing off the people who enjoy Sailor Moon. I swear some of you guys are drunk on haterade. :o
 

ChibiBoi

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Sailor Starlight said:
ChibiBoi said:
Besides, people thought the original sailor moon was bad too.
First of all, people's opinion of Sailor Moon in general has been influenced by the awfulness of Crystal. That's why I said in other post that it has damaged its reputation. Other incarnations of Sailor Moon have been affected as well. A lot people are just realizing the faults with the manga while most Crystal fans are trying to take down the '90s anime as an (irrational) response to the bad reception of Crystal. But even then, "sailor moon crystal is bad" is the no. 1 result whereas the general "sailor moon is bad" is the 5th one. That's very telling.
the first four search results in my screenshot are about Sailor Moon the character, while the first result about Sailor Moon the show is "Sailor Moon is bad." Besides, people who hate on Sailor Moon Crystal are those who cling onto their childhoods and not welcoming Crystal for what it is: a fresh new incarnation of the series. The original 90's anime wasn't so beloved because it was an actual good show. It's liked because we watched it as kids and never stopped. I'm not saying I'm a huge fan of Crystal, the show is clearly flawed. But I don't think it's bad that it was created.
 

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AmiMizunosHusband said:
Usagi-Fifth-Doctor said:
I agree with all MementoNepenthe's statements in the above post.
me too they were well said and very truthful too probably felt good to get it all of their chest lol
Awww, you guys are making me blush! :love:
 
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ChibiBoi said:
Besides, people who hate on Sailor Moon Crystal are those who cling onto their childhoods and not welcoming Crystal for what it is: a fresh new incarnation of the series. The original 90's anime wasn't so beloved because it was an actual good show. It's liked because we watched it as kids and never stopped.
Enough with the nostalgia nonsense. People criticize Crystal because it's an objectively bad show, not because of nostalgia for the original anime. Only those who lack even the most basic understanding of storytelling, filmmaking, and animation could ever find Crystal to be a good show.

And for what it's worth the stupid nostalgia argument goes both ways. You could easily claim that people like Crystal only because of nostalgia for the manga.
 

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Sailor Starlight said:
And for what is worth the stupid nostalgia argument goes both ways. You could easily say that people like Crystal only because of nostalgia for the manga.
This.

And the argument that Crystal is superior because it is based on the source material is tiring. The source material had its fair share of flaws (and so did Crystal due to the verbatim storytelling), just like the '90s anime had its problems.
 

ChibiBoi

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Sailor Starlight said:
Enough with the nostalgia nonsense. People criticize Crystal because it's an objectively bad show, not because of nostalgia for the original anime. Only those who lack even the most basic understanding of storytelling, filmmaking, and animation could ever find Crystal to be a good show.

And for what it's worth the stupid nostalgia argument goes both ways. You could easily claim that people like Crystal only because of nostalgia for the manga.
I never followed the manga as closely as I did the 90's anime, nor did I re-read it like I have the 90's anime. When I knew Crystal was coming out, I purposely stopped myself from visiting the old anime and the manga until I saw Crystal so I could view it objectively. As I've been saying, I have no problem with the pacing of the show. I like the fact that it moves from one point to another, with new information that moves the plot along each episode. My main issues with Crystal are the animation, lack of characterization, and honestly long segments of exposition or Usagi's inner monologue. It would'be been cute to have filler episodes to have more screen time for the other Guardians so they don't feel like accessories that just lay on the floor, or at least make the inner Guardians more formidable protectors. But I'm not upset about "character development" as most people say, because honestly the only incarnation where characters actually developed from who they were at the beginning of the series was PGSM. In both the manga and 90's anime, all the inners start out the same and end the same, with no devolopment but just more screen time.

PteraRanger said:
Sailor Starlight said:
And for what is worth the stupid nostalgia argument goes both ways. You could easily say that people like Crystal only because of nostalgia for the manga.
This.

And the argument that Crystal is superior because it is based on the source material is tiring. The source material had its fair share of flaws (and so did Crystal due to the verbatim storytelling), just like the '90s anime had its problems.
I don't think anyone here is trying to argue Crystal is superior. What I'm seeing a lot of is people arguing Crystal is absolute crap and harmed the franchise and never should've existed etc.
 

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:siren: Ok this has gone far enough it's one thing to discuss our opinions on Crystal positive or negative but this discussion has turned into a train wreck, I'm locking this thread for now :siren:


An important reminder

Kerochan no Miko said:
- Remember that everyone has their own opinions of Crystal (and the original anime) and please stay respectful of that when discussing the series. You can discuss animation, plot, characterization, etc, all you'd like, but please do not start attacking other posters or their opinions.

Kerochan no Miko said:
I'm bumping this to give more emphasis to that last point - the main purpose of this subforum is for people who like Sailor Moon Crystal. People who like it can certainly point out its shortcomings, and there is nothing inherently wrong with discussing animation issues, changes that affected the story, the release schedule, etc. But if that's all you want to do, I respectfully invite you to find another venue for it. This forum should be a safe place for people to talk about what they enjoy, and I've had several complaints recently that posters feel like they can't do so here without people bashing them for it.

So please, think before you post. You may think Crystal is the dumbest piece of dumb to ever dumb. If so, this may not be the right place for you to express those opinions unless you can also accept and encourage those who love it wholeheartedly. This should be a fan-positive environment, and I want to encourage that.
 
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