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Crystal Tokyo bothers me because why are Usagi and Mamoru go back to the names of their past lives? Serenity and Endymion are DEAD. It should be Queen Usagi and King Mamoru if anything.


Also the whole earth just accepted a dictatorship based in Tokyo ? Really? At least the anime tried to justify that she was elected to the position because she saved the planet from an ice age or something.


This also makes me think of a missed opportunity with R. They could have actually had Mamoru break up with Usagi because he actually realized he's under no obligation to be with her because of their past lives and then fall in love with her anyway. But NOPE he loved her all along and only break up with her to protect her because his future self needed to test their love which makes no sense at all.
 
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LifeGaveMeLemons said:
Crystal Tokyo bothers me because why are Usagi and Mamoru go back to the names of their past lives? Serenity and Endymion are DEAD. It should be Queen Usagi and King Mamoru if anything.
Historically, monarchs have been known to assume the royal names of their predecessors upon their ascension to the throne to honor and continue the legacy and dynasty of those royal names. In this case, think of it as Usagi and Mamoru as essentially becoming something akin to "Serenity III" (as Queen Serenity would have been the first and Princess Serenity the second if she had gotten the chance to be queen) and "Endymion II", but simply not called those specifically.
 
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One thing that bothered me about the '90s anime is that Chibiusa doesn't recognize who Ami, Rei, Makoto and Minako despite obviously knowing whom Sailor Mercury, Sailor Mars, Sailor Jupiter and Sailor Venus are. The implication being that the four are never in their civilian forms which makes me wonder do any of them have a life outside of the palace? That's sad to me, honestly.

At the very least the anime keeps the timeline for Crystal Tokyo vague because for all we know most of them could have accomplished their dreams beforehand...

Sabrblade said:
LifeGaveMeLemons said:
Crystal Tokyo bothers me because why are Usagi and Mamoru go back to the names of their past lives? Serenity and Endymion are DEAD. It should be Queen Usagi and King Mamoru if anything.
Historically, monarchs have been known to assume the royal names of their predecessors upon their ascension to the throne to honor and continue the legacy and dynasty of those royal names. In this case, think of it as Usagi and Mamoru as essentially becoming something akin to "Serenity III" (as Queen Serenity would have been the first and Princess Serenity the second if she had gotten the chance to be queen) and "Endymion II", but simply not called those specifically.
This makes perfect sense. But it's weird to me because it almost feels like Usagi, Mamoru and the girls no longer exist in Crystal Tokyo in a sense. I don't really know how to articulate it.

The moments where they portray Neo Queen Serenity as just goofy as Usagi are the most reassuring parts of anything from Crystal Tokyo, honestly.
 

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MariaTenebre said:
Were it not for Mamoru breaking in and rescuing Usagi, Demand most certainly would have raped her Bill Cosby style by making his third eye force her to submit and in a way drug her.
Cosby's trial hasn't started yet & he's still a suspect, not a convict, which - as well as his rights - should be noted & respected by all.

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I mean it's blocked as in I can't access it.
These F&@!$/g links...

Oh to hell with it. You're all fans. You own the merch. Look it.
That YouTube link works w/ me, tho. :confused:
 
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LifeGaveMeLemons said:
Crystal Tokyo bothers me because why are Usagi and Mamoru go back to the names of their past lives? Serenity and Endymion are DEAD. It should be Queen Usagi and King Mamoru if anything.


Also the whole earth just accepted a dictatorship based in Tokyo ? Really? At least the anime tried to justify that she was elected to the position because she saved the planet from an ice age or something.


This also makes me think of a missed opportunity with R. They could have actually had Mamoru break up with Usagi because he actually realized he's under no obligation to be with her because of their past lives and then fall in love with her anyway. But NOPE he loved her all along and only break up with her to protect her because his future self needed to test their love which makes no sense at all.
Serenity and Endymion are not dead they are reincarnated as Usagi and Mamoru. Also Serenity and Endymion are their regnal or royal names and since Crystal Tokyo is the new Silver Millennium it makes sense for them to go back to using their royal names. It is a tradition of royalty to take regnal names when they are crowned.

Next in the 90s anime it states that one of the reasons she was made Queen is because she saved the Earth from an ice age. However I also imagine that in my head canon that the Earth began to descend into wars and chaos due to corrupt leaders and Usagi came in as a leader and fixed these problems. I imagine she would have to conquer nations in order to accept her rule. Like for instance I can't see a nation like Saudi Arabia accepting her rule but I imagine she would conquer it and liberate the people.

Next Mamoru breaking up with Usagi of his own free will IE that he was of no obligation to be with her would just make Mamoru look bad. For one he was shown to have feelings for her in Classic and the Makaiju arc. It would contradict his obvious feelings for her in this season to break up with her and would make him look worse then the break up arc did. Me personally I would not have included the break up arc at all but atleast in the final version it shows that he broke up with her because he thought it would save her. Which is a stupid idea it can be explained away with some head canon.
 
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MariaTenebre said:
LifeGaveMeLemons said:
Crystal Tokyo bothers me because why are Usagi and Mamoru go back to the names of their past lives? Serenity and Endymion are DEAD. It should be Queen Usagi and King Mamoru if anything.


Also the whole earth just accepted a dictatorship based in Tokyo ? Really? At least the anime tried to justify that she was elected to the position because she saved the planet from an ice age or something.


This also makes me think of a missed opportunity with R. They could have actually had Mamoru break up with Usagi because he actually realized he's under no obligation to be with her because of their past lives and then fall in love with her anyway. But NOPE he loved her all along and only break up with her to protect her because his future self needed to test their love which makes no sense at all.
Serenity and Endymion are not dead they are reincarnated as Usagi and Mamoru. Also Serenity and Endymion are their regnal or royal names and since Crystal Tokyo is the new Silver Millennium it makes sense for them to go back to using their royal names. It is a tradition of royalty to take regnal names when they are crowned.

Next in the 90s anime it states that one of the reasons she was made Queen is because she saved the Earth from an ice age. However I also imagine that in my head canon that the Earth began to descend into wars and chaos due to corrupt leaders and Usagi came in as a leader and fixed these problems. I imagine she would have to conquer nations in order to accept her rule. Like for instance I can't see a nation like Saudi Arabia accepting her rule but I imagine she would conquer it and liberate the people.

Next Mamoru breaking up with Usagi of his own free will IE that he was of no obligation to be with her would just make Mamoru look bad. For one he was shown to have feelings for her in Classic and the Makaiju arc. It would contradict his obvious feelings for her in this season to break up with her and would make him look worse then the break up arc did. Me personally I would not have included the break up arc at all but atleast in the final version it shows that he broke up with her because he thought it would save her. Which is a stupid idea it can be explained away with some head canon.

I agree with Maria on this one
 

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MariaTenebre said:
I imagine she would have to conquer nations in order to accept her rule. Like for instance I can't see a nation like Saudi Arabia accepting her rule but I imagine she would conquer it and liberate the people..
That would make excellent Dystopia fanfics. =^_^=

She would also need to destroy evil criminal organizations like Boka Haram. :keke:
 
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Sabrblade said:
LifeGaveMeLemons said:
Crystal Tokyo bothers me because why are Usagi and Mamoru go back to the names of their past lives? Serenity and Endymion are DEAD. It should be Queen Usagi and King Mamoru if anything.
Historically, monarchs have been known to assume the royal names of their predecessors upon their ascension to the throne to honor and continue the legacy and dynasty of those royal names. In this case, think of it as Usagi and Mamoru as essentially becoming something akin to "Serenity III" (as Queen Serenity would have been the first and Princess Serenity the second if she had gotten the chance to be queen) and "Endymion II", but simply not called those specifically.
Well it wouldn't make much sense to call Usagi Serenity III or Mamoru Endymion II as they are not the descendants of Princess Serenity and Prince Endymion but rather are their incarnations. They are the same person and all. The only Serenity III is Chibiusa.

rgveda99 said:
MariaTenebre said:
I imagine she would have to conquer nations in order to accept her rule. Like for instance I can't see a nation like Saudi Arabia accepting her rule but I imagine she would conquer it and liberate the people..
That would make excellent Dystopia fanfics. =^_^=

She would also need to destroy evil criminal organizations like Boka Haram. :keke:
Except there is no evidence of Crystal Tokyo being a Dystopia. All evidence shows that Crystal Tokyo is a Utopia. Further more I would welcome someone like Neo Queen Serenity conquering a place like Saudi Arabia or taking out terrorist organizations like Boko Haram. I mean Saudi Arabia is a nation where the moral police stops schoolgirls from coming out of their burning school during a fire because they were not wearing the hijab. If Neo Queen Serenity was running things you know she would stop crap like this. I imagine she would also conquer Christian theocracies like Russia or Uganda for instance and eradicate their anti gay laws for instance. Princess Uranus and Princess Neptune would see to that.

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There's things that the '90s anime cut from the manga that I wish it didn't (for example, characters like Sailor Lethe and Sailor Mnemosyne), but there's also things that I've come to understand why they made the cut and have come to appreciate over time.

The idea of all of the senshi (possibly even outside of the Solar System) being princesses is a neat idea on the surface, but I'm kind of glad it got cut in the '90s anime. My issue with it is the same I have with Go! Princess Precure which assumes that all girls want to be Princesses, when that's really not the case. Not that I think there's anything wrong with princess, on the contrary I like how both the manga and G!PP turn the idea of helpless princesses over its head. I think that's awesome. But the way '90s anime Haruka is depicted I could never imagine her being okay wearing a princess dress.

Plus, it kind of annoys me because the manga and Naoko Takeuchi seems to be obsessed with symmetry and it gets uncreative at times. I like to interpret the idea of all of the manga's villains coming from Chaos as a metaphorical and that works for me, but if it's meant to be literal than it falls apart because not all evil comes from chaos (the concept not the being) and it wouldn't make much sense as each of the villains had different goals.

Major things that were cut like Sailor Moon committing suicide was interesting for me when I was younger, but I've grown to not like the way it's been handled in any adaptation or the original manga. I don't have a problem with the act itself, but it's honestly so poorly developed each time that I'm not surprised the '90s anime cut it out completely (aside from the fact that they probably wouldn't be able to get away with it on prime time TV). The foreshadowing of it is poor, I mean obviously there is some considering we find out that Princess Serenity committed suicide in Act 10, but the buildup still feels completely lacking. Worse is the aftermath, where there's absolutely no fallout for it. No discussion about it. Nothing. If my friend came back to life after killing themself, I would at least TALK to them about it.

Also breaking the cruel cycle of reincarnation only works when there's a good reason behind it. Usagi and Mamoru repeat the mistakes of their past lives, but it doesn't seem like they really learn anything from it or that anything about their present lives really affect much of the outcome of the Dark Kingdom's conclusion. Essentially, what breaks the cycle is the fact that Mamoru's pocket watch catches the blade before it could actually kill Usagi and the Silver Crystal heals Mamoru's wounds... I think Naoko was truly just thinking about what was cool, but it's unsatisfying to me on so many levels.
I liked the idea of the Senshi being royalty of their own planets I mean it makes sense. If Sailor Moon is the Princess of the Moon and Tuxedo Mask is the Prince of Earth then so too should the Senshi be royalty of their planets. As for Sailor Uranus I mean she was ok with wearing her Sailor Senshi outfit which had a skirt. However me personally if I designed Uranus's royal outfit I would have done something more like this.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/e ... ostume.jpg

Also I don't think that even the manga says that all enemies have their origins in Chaos. I mean we see the Genius Loci, Princess Snow Kaguya etc who weren't really stated as having anything to do with Chaos.
 
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MariaTenebre said:
rgveda99 said:
MariaTenebre said:
I imagine she would have to conquer nations in order to accept her rule. Like for instance I can't see a nation like Saudi Arabia accepting her rule but I imagine she would conquer it and liberate the people..
That would make excellent Dystopia fanfics. =^_^=

She would also need to destroy evil criminal organizations like Boka Haram. :keke:
Except there is no evidence of Crystal Tokyo being a Dystopia. All evidence shows that Crystal Tokyo is a Utopia. Further more I would welcome someone like Neo Queen Serenity conquering a place like Saudi Arabia or taking out terrorist organizations like Boko Haram. I mean Saudi Arabia is a nation where the moral police stops schoolgirls from coming out of their burning school during a fire because they were not wearing the hijab. If Neo Queen Serenity was running things you know she would stop crap like this. I imagine she would also conquer Christian theocracies like Russia or Uganda for instance and eradicate their anti gay laws for instance. Princess Uranus and Princess Neptune would see to that.
I'd have made comments on that but that, like the comments in the above quote, would be pretty much politics. :wink:
 
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Sabrblade said:
LifeGaveMeLemons said:
Crystal Tokyo bothers me because why are Usagi and Mamoru go back to the names of their past lives? Serenity and Endymion are DEAD. It should be Queen Usagi and King Mamoru if anything.
Historically, monarchs have been known to assume the royal names of their predecessors upon their ascension to the throne to honor and continue the legacy and dynasty of those royal names. In this case, think of it as Usagi and Mamoru as essentially becoming something akin to "Serenity III" (as Queen Serenity would have been the first and Princess Serenity the second if she had gotten the chance to be queen) and "Endymion II", but simply not called those specifically.
Mamoru and Usagi aren't successors though. The royal lines of Endymion and Serenity ended when they died in the Earth/Moon revolution war .
 
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I don't think liking Crystal is that unpopular an opinion, what with how much excitement we see about it at conventions and such. It's only that those who needlessly hate on it are very very vocal.
 

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I don’t see Naru x Nephrite as some sweet romance but one built upon a foundation of deceit.

I prefer the “ice age” explanation for Neo Queen Serenity’s rise to power over the (lack of) explanation in the manga.

Mars’ characterization in the old anime is so distant from her manga counterpart that I can’t relate them as the same character.
I don’t mind Jupiter being boy crazy in the 90s anime continuity because it fits her character, but Mars? No way.

I’m not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but the eventual nerfing of the Inner Senshi in the old anime warrants more criticism than the one that the Crystal Inner Senshi incurrs.

Stars’ arc was a catastrophe and the ball on it was handled FAR WORSE than SuperS
-Which is also trash, but on account of filler and was completely salvaged by the first 5 episodes of Stars.
Stars is derivative in every way; monster of the week/forgiving the enemy/Uranus and Neptune’s character regression/the new squad spotlight that the Starlights have/the “get x object from x person “ formula.
The whole season just feels like a tired cliche over another.
 
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I don’t see Naru x Nephrite as some sweet romance but one built upon a foundation of deceit.
And developed through more lies and manipulation.
 
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I think people romanticize Nephrite x Naru too much. I think nephrite was sorry what he doe too Naru , but I don't think he had romantic feelings for her . I think he survived he would be just a regular citizen and be Narus friend.
 
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And then gone and forgotten like the Ayakashi sisters after Saphir's death. :P
Don’t remind me! The Specter Sisters are tied with the Witches 5 as my favorite quirky mini-boss squad in the series!

To tie it to the topic, Ali and En are really the most forgetful part of Sailor Moon R part A. I just don’t see their hoopla outside of being not evil? The highlight of that mini arc was the Sailors reawakening again and Makoto’s “talent” -NOT Ali and En.
 
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