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Was kind of upset that they weren't so warm to her and even during the beginning of Stars season as well just to use her for her power. I felt so bad for Sailor Saturn under those regards though. She was such a sweet, kind girl. She should have been more warmly welcomed by her comrades. Towards the end of Stars, it just seemed more forced because of her power of "destruction". Out of convenience more or less.

...They took her in and raised her. o_O

And in the manga, the familial bond that the Outers all have in taking care of Saturn is what allowed them to achieve their "Super" forms.

I suppose, maybe I'm judging too much based upon the S Season then. I don't really follow the manga, so I apologize for not knowing the "whole" story then.

And in the end, they murdered her.

And then Uranus and Neptune were killed themselves, so all the Outers screwed up.

The Outers really dropped the ball with that one.

Hey, now don't go throwing Pluto in on this, she didn't do anything to cause it.

I suppose that in the S the other Outers were only determined to save the planet and exercised utilitarianism thinking that sacrificing something so (potentially) evil as Saturn wouldn't be much of a burden if the Earth would be saved in return, even if she was their comrade.

If I recall correctly, wasn't Saturn only considered a "comrade" after the ending of S? I mean, in their past lives, they'd never had any affiliation with her- they just summoned her when the Moon Kingdom was destroyed, right? Their actions in Stars were pretty ridiculous, in my opinion. The way they were defeated by Galaxia was kind of pitiful in the manga, IMO, but the whole rebel-behavior thing Uranus and Neptune pulled in the anime struck me as just silly. Especially since Saturn and Pluto just stood their and took it. I understand them not wanting to fight/kill their comrades, but really.. it felt like a cheap plot device for getting rid of two of the most powerful/overpowered characters so they wouldn't be standing around and leaving the audience wondering why they didn't just use their abilities to finish off Galaxia.

Anyway... I suppose what they were trying to do with Saturn in both the anime and manga in the S season/Infinity Arc is sad but understandable, considering the consequences of Saturn's existence. (Plus they hadn't been with Sailor Moon long enough to experience the whole "All problems can be solved/enemies defeated with love/determination/a pure heart/the silver crystal" thing.) After she was no longer a threat, I think their relationship was a good one.

Uranus/Neptune turning on Pluto & Saturn was a bad call IMO in the Stars anime. However, made for good drama but it was certainly a set-up to say the least to finish off Galaxia, however they failed miserably with that one.

I think Saturn is mature & independent enough to not needing any affection, compassion, & the like from her fellow Senshi (I'd also guess the other Outers fully know about that), despite her seemingly tender age - what she only concerns w/ is to get the job done & fulfil her mission, even if that means sacrificing her life. (She later did also concern w/ Chibiusa, tho.)

That's a good point, she does somewhat comes across that way in the anime in her Saturn form, but I know the friendship between her & Chibiusa is truly genuine. She does care for her very much. Usagi LOVES her as well, she wouldn't try so hard to risk her own damn life to even protect her.

Sailor Moon is often praised for being optimistic and hopeful to the point of naivete. What is difficult to portray is Sailor Moon's all encompassing love and compassion for everyone - hence her foils in the forms of Sailor Uranus and Neptune get criticized for opposing her stance on not hurting anyone.

Imagine Usagi's perspective: She and her friends have saved the world TWICE (four times if you count the anime) by the time Rei is attacked by the Death Busters; she believes in them and herself and even goes as far as redeeming villains when she can (see Doom Tree/the four Phantom/Spectre/Weird/Ayakashi Sisters). During her time in S, before she even knew Hotaru was a threat, she befriended this pitifully sick and lonely girl through Chibi Usa and comes to genuinely care for her. It's like learning that your co workers have informed you that they are going to kill your little brother/sister's best friend to save the world. If you're a fantastic (in the magical sense of the word) superheroine like she is, you are probably not going to take that lying down. The REALLY dumb move on her part was handing MISTRESS 9 the world on a silver platter, or in this case, a shiny cup.

I feel bad that they never gave her a true transformation of much screen time in the anime because she was such a unique character.

The Outer Senshi did NOT want Saturn to mature because she essentially has only one power: total destruction.

In the manga, she was brought in as the final resort at the end of the Silver Millennium.

Only Super Sailor Moon's intervention stopped her from going to completion in S.
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I've always thought she's a last resort, & is awoken & appears only when something terribly/seriously wrong is happening or imminent in the running of the universe, which could require her to "reset" it.

And that is probably what makes her such an intriguing character.

I Agree!! She has to be the most powerful soldier of them all... She could wipe out the whole world I'm sure with her "Silence Glaive Surprise" (hope the spelling is right).

None of her attacks actually destroys the world. To blow a planet, Saturn only has to lower the Glaive's tip to the ground.

Personally, I really think everybody needs to stop exalting Saturn's role so much and just treat her as a normal Sailor like any other. It's clear that Hotaru wants and likes to be a Sailor Soldier because it gives her something she's wanted for so long: acceptance. Her power shouldn't be a detriment.

Yes, I knew that as well. Thank you.

After Sailor Saturn had awaken in Sailor MoonS, she was aware of how strong her powers were. Being the Sailor Scout of Death, Destruction, and Rebirth, Sailor Saturn was well aware of the fact that she was the most powerful of Sailor Scouts. Saturn had mention to Sailor Moon that she could have help her more if she was able to keep the Holy Grail. Sailor Saturn needed Sailor Moon's help so she can be reborn. Sailor Moon had the Silver Imperium Crystal. Saturn was aware of the powers of the Silver Imperium Crystal. Sailor Moon was able to recieved help from the other Sailor Scouts. Therefore allowing Sailor Moon to help Saturn in the fight against Pharaoh 90.

Sailor Saturn was one of the two persons who had the powers to stop Queen Metaria, and her allies. Queen Serenity was the second person had the powers to stop Queen Metaria and her allies. We know how Queen Serenity was able to stop Queen Metaria and her allies briefly during the Battle of the Moon Kingdom. Queen Serenity had to used the Silver Imperium Crystal at the cost of her own life. It is likely one of the powers of Sailor Saturn had was the ability to protect Queen Serenity from the dangerous effects of the Silver Imperium Crystal whenever she needs to used it.

If Sailor Saturn is included in the new Sailor Moon anime seires, we will notice that Sailor Saturn will play a critical part at the end of the series. I will rather see Sailor Saturn to contimue to be a sleeper in the new series. Naoko is one of the few people who knows what are the plans for the new series. If Naoko decides to include Sailor Saturn, Sailor Saturn will likely be Serena's twelve-year-old sister. After Serena beocmes Sailor Moon, she becomes aware that her sister Hotaru is a sleeper. Yet, Serens is only aware of the fact that Hotaru is a sleeper.

You don't get it... Saturn will NEVER be made into Usagi's sister or be any other character than that which Naoko originally designed her to be, especially since this show will be "truer to the manga".

It's only her civilian self during S who'd wanna be accepted, as she was feared by her classmates back then due to her strange powers, caused by her being possessed by Mistress 9. I don't think Saturn the Senshi would really care about whether she'd be accepted or not, as she's only concerned w/ her mission, which's the very purpose of her existence/awakening/appearing, & her fellow Senshi would (at least ultimately) also understand that.

I imagine she can't play "big and bad" all the time in uniform since none of the other Sailors do (not even the Outers).

And she didn't either - just look at her civilian self during Stars, who was a happy, cheerful, & even playful lil girl. But when she'd transformed into her Senshi form, she was pretty serious in her job, despite the very same lil-girl look.

I agree with everything except for Hotaru becoming Usagi's younger sister...that doesn't make any sense and I can almost guarantee you that it's not going to happen. All of the Sailor Soldiers' names have to do with their respective celestial body, and having "Tsukino Hotaru" as Sailor Saturn would mess up that pattern. And that's not even the best reason I can give as to why it won't work; others include having to re-write the entire S/Infinity story arc and change Hotaru's connection to the Death Busters. It would just be a mess.



In S, Sailor Saturn is depicted as a separate entity from Tomoe Hotaru...so, yes, she can play "big and bad," unlike the other Outers. By Sailor Stars, based on the few times we see her as Saturn, I think they were made one and the same like the other Senshi.

Can't imagine her being Chibiusa's aunt either.


As also reflected by her Super-form Senshi suit being pretty similar to those of the other Senshi. *sigh*

I guess you're not a fan of the similar suits? =P

Not a fan of that at all, & it's not just for Saturn, but other Senshi as well, not to mention their Eternal forms in the manga.

It is. Mine wasn't.