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 Post subject: Re: Why can't Viz dub the songs?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:11 pm 
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Umino wrote:
The original Cloverway dub also dubbed most of the insert songs.


they did huh what did they use i dont remember there songs jsut the old dic ones


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^For S they had Ai No Senshi dubbed on episode 102 but it was only for the edited TV/VHS version, not on the DVD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RNUbJfq8o

For SuperS, they had it's first ED song dubbed for the 2 episodes it played as an insert song (158 & 159):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpuhIewGJbY

And Sailor Team No Theme was also dubbed for episode 161.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hgChsxZtp0

Both of these are on the Pioneer DVDs.

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 Post subject: Re: Why can't Viz dub the songs?
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any versiosn with out the characters speaking hard to hear the song over there voices


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any versiosn with out the characters speaking hard to hear the song over there voices
Nope. The three songs Cloverway dubbed were never released or played outside of those episodes.

Additionally, there was another song that played in the Cloverway dub, "Azusa Nigou", in episode 99, but which was undubbed and left in Japanese in both the edited TV/VHS version and the uncut DVD version, the only insert song in the Cloverway dub to not have been dubbed in any version.

Though, there were also two more songs in the Cloverway dub that were partially dubbed, but only because they were actually sung by the characters. Mimete sang part of "I am Sailor Moon" in episode 114, and Mina sang part of "Route Venus" in episode 154. Neither sang the full version of either song, just little snippits of each.

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Sabrblade wrote:
Additionally, there was another song that played in the Cloverway dub, "Azusa Nigou", in episode 99, but which was undubbed and left in Japanese in both the edited TV/VHS version and the uncut DVD version, the only insert song in the Cloverway dub to not have been dubbed in any version.


Onaji Namida wo Wakeatte and Rashiku Ikimasho were left undubbed in episode 144 as well. Both are hard to here, but they're there.

Route Venus was barely dubbed. None of the lyrics were audible, and you could see hear some of the Japanese singing. :confused:


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So what are the chances Viz is going to dub the Three Lights' songs when they get to Stars?


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So what are the chances Viz is going to dub the Three Lights' songs when they get to Stars?
They dubbed both of Rei's songs in R, so probably very likely.

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^For S they had Ai No Senshi dubbed on episode 102 but it was only for the edited TV/VHS version, not on the DVD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RNUbJfq8o


Are you sure about that, because I could swear it's on the DVD version?

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 Post subject: Re: Why can't Viz dub the songs?
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Are you sure about that, because I could swear it's on the DVD version?


It's definitely only dubbed in the edited version of the episode. The uncut version (as released on DVD) leaves the song in Japanese.


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 Post subject: Re: Why can't Viz dub the songs?
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I am sure that mexican story about "Naoko" don't giving permission is totally FALSE.
There is a guy in youtube that upload the recordings for Otome No Policy and Moon Princess he did for the DVD's claiming that the owner of Capital refuse to pay for the songs and for the web page he did for the releases.
Also... if Naoko "didn't give permission", then why they use Heart Moving FOR ALL THE SEASONS? I guess she prefer the japanese versions of the songs, not the SAME song for all the series. It doesn't make sense.

Anyway, It's a shame we don't get translated songs, but neither the original japanese versions.

As for Crystal, I think everything is negotiable. For example Saint Seiya Hades in DVDs has japanese openings and endings, but in Mexico is illegal to broadcast any other language than spanish, so ALL the songs have to be dubbed (or deleted). So if TOEI is planning to broadcast Crystal for free, they have to dub the songs.

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 Post subject: Re: Why can't Viz dub the songs?
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I am sure that mexican story about "Naoko" don't giving permission is totally FALSE.
There is a guy in youtube that upload the recordings for Otome No Policy and Moon Princess he did for the DVD's claiming that the owner of Capital refuse to pay for the songs and for the web page he did for the releases.
Also... if Naoko "didn't give permission", then why they use Heart Moving FOR ALL THE SEASONS? I guess she prefer the japanese versions of the songs, not the SAME song for all the series. It doesn't make sense.


Do you have the link to the videos?

I don't really buy the rumors about Naoko either. If anything, it was probably Toei being difficult. I also don't believe that Naoko "approved" the English cast for the Viz dub. :confused:


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 Post subject: Re: Why can't Viz dub the songs?
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I read somewhere the people who wrote the songs didn't want to give them the rights to dub the songs. I mean Naoko only wrote one or two songs.

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Umino wrote:
cuau_cg wrote:
I am sure that mexican story about "Naoko" don't giving permission is totally FALSE.
There is a guy in youtube that upload the recordings for Otome No Policy and Moon Princess he did for the DVD's claiming that the owner of Capital refuse to pay for the songs and for the web page he did for the releases.
Also... if Naoko "didn't give permission", then why they use Heart Moving FOR ALL THE SEASONS? I guess she prefer the japanese versions of the songs, not the SAME song for all the series. It doesn't make sense.


Do you have the link to the videos?

I don't really buy the rumors about Naoko either. If anything, it was probably Toei being difficult. I also don't believe that Naoko "approved" the English cast for the Viz dub. :confused:


Yeah of course.

This is the explanation where they say the owner of Capital 8 is the one that didn't want to pay for the recordings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smkzBYySlVI&list

This are the 2 ending originally recorded for the dvds:
Moon Princess:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi4lkLGTGXs
Otome no Policy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2jm3oeIQBQ

This are the songs by Marisa DeLille tribute album to Sailor Moon (totally different lyrics and voice recordings):
Moon Princess:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO2dv-81maI
Otome No Policy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2jm3oeIQBQ

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Umino wrote:
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Are you sure about that, because I could swear it's on the DVD version?


It's definitely only dubbed in the edited version of the episode. The uncut version (as released on DVD) leaves the song in Japanese.


You're right, I just checked. How weird. They kept the dub songs in the SuperS DVD release, why not for S? :googly:

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 Post subject: Re: Why can't Viz dub the songs?
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Shows how long it has been since I watched the Optimum dub of S and SuperS. I swore to God "Tear our hearts in two" was in the uncut dub but nope it was Ai no Senshi untranslated and left as it.

But I also checked SuperS which still has "Love is in my heart" and "Let's Fight"

Not that I'm complaining as I might be the only Moonie in the world who prefers the dubbed
"Love is in my heart" over "Watashi-tachi ni Naritakute"


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Shows how long it has been since I watched the Optimum dub of S and SuperS. I swore to God "Tear our hearts in two" was in the uncut dub but nope it was Ai no Senshi untranslated and left as it.

But I also checked SuperS which still has "Love is in my heart" and "Let's Fight"

Not that I'm complaining as I might be the only Moonie in the world who prefers the dubbed
"Love is in my heart" over "Watashi-tachi ni Naritakute"


I don't prefer them, but I would love to hear a standalone "Let's Fight." I sometimes sing the sailor team theme in 3 languages at karaoke. XD

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 Post subject: Re: Why can't Viz dub the songs?
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MementoNepenthe wrote:
Umino wrote:
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Are you sure about that, because I could swear it's on the DVD version?


It's definitely only dubbed in the edited version of the episode. The uncut version (as released on DVD) leaves the song in Japanese.


You're right, I just checked. How weird. They kept the dub songs in the SuperS DVD release, why not for S? :googly:


Something else that was weird was with the episode titles on the DVDs, when it came to those with the characters' names, S only had the Japanese names while SuperS had both. ^_^'

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Well I saw the R Movie today, and for some reason in Make Up Sailor Sensei short, they don't dub "Eien No Melody" even though it was dubbed in episode 54. Probably licensing issues that they didn't want to bother with for a pre movie short showing a clip compared to an episode of the series.


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zttmoon wrote:
Well I saw the R Movie today, and for some reason in Make Up Sailor Sensei short, they don't dub "Eien No Melody" even though it was dubbed in episode 54. Probably licensing issues that they didn't want to bother with for a pre movie short showing a clip compared to an episode of the series.
More likely to do with the fact that the song overlaps from being sung onscreen to playing in the background while Rei speaks dialogue onscreen, and that it might have been too difficult to get around that on a technical level.

Or the fact that it would have been awkward as the only character song to be played in English while those for Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and Endymion remained in Japanese.

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sucks the clover way songs cant be heard properly

oh and some one mentioend the R movie dub is the viz dub of that out or did they mean the old dub


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aceina wrote:
sucks the clover way songs cant be heard properly

oh and some one mentioend the R movie dub is the viz dub of that out or did they mean the old dub


I meant the VIZ dub.


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zttmoon wrote:
aceina wrote:
sucks the clover way songs cant be heard properly

oh and some one mentioend the R movie dub is the viz dub of that out or did they mean the old dub


I meant the VIZ dub.



biz has dubbed the R Movie?


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aceina wrote:
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aceina wrote:
sucks the clover way songs cant be heard properly

oh and some one mentioend the R movie dub is the viz dub of that out or did they mean the old dub


I meant the VIZ dub.



biz has dubbed the R Movie?
It just came out in theaters. I saw it this past Thursday night.

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oh it sone of those times they put it in theaters how long will it be there i want to see it


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I wish they would dub the songs. I think they would sound good in English. Heck if I had my way I would have taken out Maboroshi no Ginzuishou in the scene where Usagi is revealed as the Moon Princess and replace it with My Only Love. That song was so much better for that scene.

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I feel so weird being a Dic fan and thinking Mabaroshi no Ginzuishou was a much better song.


Mostly because Mabaroshi no Ginzuishou sounds timeless. My only love couldn't sound more 90s pop hit if it tried.


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I wish they would dub the songs. I think they would sound good in English.
I both agree and disagree at the same time. The agreement comes from the Viz dubbed version of "Eien no Melody" being pretty nice, while the disagreement comes from the Viz "dubbed" version of "Moonlight Densetsu" being completely awful.

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MariaTenebre wrote:
I wish they would dub the songs. I think they would sound good in English.
I both agree and disagree at the same time. The agreement comes from the Viz dubbed version of "Eien no Melody" being pretty nice, while the disagreement comes from the Viz "dubbed" version of "Moonlight Densetsu" being completely awful.

Well if they did them well I think they could be awesome.

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Personally, I like the songs undubbed. Take, for example, Haruhi Suzumiya. When the concert is playing, would you rather hear her Japanese voice or her English voice? I'd go for the Japanese voice any day. Similarly, Ghost in the Shell: SAC had this sort of technique: the Tachikomas had their English voices whenever they spoke, but when they sang, their Japanese voices are kept. It's a rather wise move, tbh.


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I find it so weird and really distracting when a character sings with their "Japanese voice". When I saw the R movie, everyone laughed when Rei spoke in English and then began singing in Japanese. It just looks silly.


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