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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:40 pm 
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AmiMizunosHusband wrote:
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not to mention Usagi and Mamoru were hinted to have had sex in both the manga and in crystal without even going on one date (Mamoru either has darn good game or it means Usagi is really easy :blue: )

another stereotype is the girls outfits, it makes it seem like girls are supposed to wear skirts all the time (which I don't mind I do love a
actually in the manga Mamoru and Usagi were actually seen naked in bed together hence the implied sex lol

Yah at the end off the manga at the epilogue in the future :keke: Or doy mean that art in sailor moon stories volume two


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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:47 pm 
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AmiMizunosHusband wrote:
actually in the manga Mamoru and Usagi were actually seen naked in bed together hence the implied sex lol

unfortunate but true :|

but then again I don't have feelings for manga Usagi P-: for the manga I'm all about Minako :minako: :love:


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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:11 am 
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SailorLinda1 wrote:
...but I personally have come across literally hundreds of SM fans in my life and the vast majority of the fans...

Personally, I'm an Arch Demiurge of seventeen Galactic Unions, and from my infinite personal experience of communicating with millions of intelligent species I can confirm that overwhelming majority of Sailor Moon are, in fact, three-horned wombats from planet X8564. When we refuse to accept reality and facts, and substitute them with unsourced claims from "our personal experience" we can claim whatever we want, right?

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We're merely pointing out you have too small of a sample size to extrapolate that data to the larger public.

I have addressed that issue above already by pointing out that every poll inevitably have a sampling error. Which doesn't make it false in any way - until and unless proven so. To prove polls or statistics to be false one would have to provide more accurate statistics and more accurate poll results (if there are any), not unsourced "from my personal experience" claims.

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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:10 am 
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Maraviollantes wrote:
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...but I personally have come across literally hundreds of SM fans in my life and the vast majority of the fans...

Personally, I'm an Arch Demiurge of seventeen Galactic Unions, and from my infinite personal experience of communicating with millions of intelligent species I can confirm that overwhelming majority of Sailor Moon are, in fact, three-horned wombats from planet X8564. When we refuse to accept reality and facts, and substitute them with unsourced claims from "our personal experience" we can claim whatever we want, right?

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We're merely pointing out you have too small of a sample size to extrapolate that data to the larger public.

I have addressed that issue above already by pointing out that every poll inevitably have a sampling error. Which doesn't make it false in any way - until and unless proven so. To prove polls or statistics to be false one would have to provide more accurate statistics and more accurate poll results (if there are any), not unsourced "from my personal experience" claims.


And the vast majority of the world's population are LGBT right? According to your pathetic logic, we should just take every poll as if it's "accurate" even if the results are only just based on a measly 20 or 80 people in a world full of billions of people, sure how "reliable" that is LOL.

You may argue that I don't have any concrete proof to contradict the results of that pathetic poll, but guess what, you have no concrete proof that the results of that poll are accurate either. There may not be a poll or survey conducted yet for the demographics of the SM fandom that has a much larger number of voters or participants, but even a 10 year old child would understand that 80 people do NOT represent a fandom full of thousands (maybe even millions) of people.
If you are so convinced that the results from that poll are an "accurate" representation of the SM fandom, then why don't you go find an actual reliable or creditable poll or survey for the SM fandom demographic that has at least 100,000 votes, 80 votes is pathetic and it means absolutely nothing and shouldn't even be taken seriously. Even 100,000 votes wouldn't be enough, because the SM fandom is even bigger than that, much bigger. But at least it would give us a much clearer idea than a measly 80 votes.
Even you admitted that every poll has a sampling error so how can you be so sure that the results from that poll are accurate and is to be believed?

The reality is, we would never be sure about the specific demographics of the SM fandom unless every single SM fan living on this planet has been surveyed in 1 big massive poll, and there's literally hundreds of thousands of SM fans out there. Sampling polls only give us a rough idea or estimate of a certain portion of the fandom, but they're never completely accurate or reliable. The problem with that poll is that it's just too small and insignificant, it has so few votes, it doesn't even come close to having enough votes to make it even remotely reliable or creditable. I just can't take that poll seriously at all, and it shouldn't be taken seriously, 80 votes is just not enough, not even close, it's much too insufficient.
I think it's pathetic to use such an insignificant poll to judge an entire fandom, the results are absolutely unreliable because it's just a measly poll with just 80 votes. Find me another poll with about 100,000 votes that has the same or similar results, THEN I might give it more credit.
And I know the results are unreliable because like I said, I have seen much more female SM fans than male ones even despite the fact that the poll states the majority of the voters in that stupid poll are male. And I don't care if you believe me or not, whether you want to believe me or not that's your own business, I'm just sharing my own experiences and observations. You can believe whatever you want, but I know better and I'm not that stupid enough to use such a measly poll with just 80 votes to judge an entire fandom full of thousands of fans. If that's what you want to do then go ahead, but I'm smart enough to know better than that.

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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:13 pm 
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Maraviollantes wrote:
SailorLinda1 wrote:
...but I personally have come across literally hundreds of SM fans in my life and the vast majority of the fans...

Personally, I'm an Arch Demiurge of seventeen Galactic Unions, and from my infinite personal experience of communicating with millions of intelligent species I can confirm that overwhelming majority of Sailor Moon are, in fact, three-horned wombats from planet X8564. When we refuse to accept reality and facts, and substitute them with unsourced claims from "our personal experience" we can claim whatever we want, right?

BTW, personal experience is, in a sense, also a (kinda) sampling - in fact, all living beings w/ various levels of intelligence could be seen as processors of statistical data, or "stats machines." lol

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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:19 am 
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SailorLinda1 wrote:
The problem with that poll is that it's just too small and insignificant, it has so few votes, it doesn't even come close to having enough votes to make it even remotely reliable or creditable. I just can't take that poll seriously at all, and it shouldn't be taken seriously, 80 votes is just not enough, not even close, it's much too insufficient.

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And I know the results are unreliable because like I said, I have seen...

Insufficient for what? To have more weight and credibility than a personal unsourced opinion of one person? Quite sufficient, actually. For somebody who talks so much about reliability and significance you have some extraordinary problems with logic - according to you, 80 votes is "not enough" to make any conclusions and statistics, but your personal 1 vote is "enough" to dismiss those 80 and make any arbitrary conclusions you want. So much for all your arguments about "reliability and significance". :ohdear:

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Find me another poll with about 100,000 votes that has the same or similar results, THEN I might give it more credit.

100K people should voice their opinion so that you (maybe) will consider changing yours? And if that will be only 99K people and not 100K, your personal 1 vote will still have more reliability and credit to override those 99K votes, apparently. Let's talk more about reliability and significance.

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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:52 am 
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Maraviollantes wrote:
I have addressed that issue above already by pointing out that every poll inevitably have a sampling error. Which doesn't make it false in any way - until and unless proven so. To prove polls or statistics to be false one would have to provide more accurate statistics and more accurate poll results (if there are any), not unsourced "from my personal experience" claims.
Why do you think we're trying to "prove" your poll is false? No one is saying your poll is false. Your poll is only saying the majority of users at this particular website are LGBTQ, which is a true statement for this site only, but not that the majority of Sailor Moon fandom is, unless you believe the majority of Sailor Moon fans have been to this site which is an unproven assumption. Even assuming your argument is true, the point still stands regardless that just because a large portion of Sailor Moon fans may be LGBTQ does not mean all male Sailor Moon fans are gay which is the point that was being addressed earlier in the thread. Even your own poll disproves your argument, since right now it actually shows the majority of fans at this site are straight and male at 24% and male and gay is in second place now at 21%. So are you now going to argue the majority of Sailor Moon fandom is not even women but straight men because your poll currently says so?


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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:02 am 
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in any case, speaking as an actual gay male Sailor Moon fan, if you're trying to argue we gay fans only like Sailor Moon because of our sexual orientation and not because we enjoy the story and characters or the artwork and music, you are falling back on an outdated stereotype that all gay men are feminine and into girly things because we are gay and that is frankly an offensive stereotype and I would request you to stop it.


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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:17 am 
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Neon Genesis wrote:
just because a large portion of Sailor Moon fans may be LGBTQ does not mean all male Sailor Moon fans are gay which is the point that was being addressed earlier in the thread.

I never claimed all male fans are gay, care to quote me? I said exactly this: "Actually, majority of BSSM fans are gay/bisexual", since that's what the poll was consistently showing over many years, and that's the most accurate data source on the matter we currently have.

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in any case, speaking as an actual gay male Sailor Moon fan, if you're trying to argue we gay fans only like Sailor Moon because of our sexual orientation and not because we enjoy the story and characters or the artwork and music, you are falling back on an outdated stereotype that all gay men are feminine and into girly things because we are gay and that is frankly an offensive stereotype and I would request you to stop it.

And I would request you to stop putting words I never said into my mouth and then making claims about me based on your own assumptions. :unsure:

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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:55 pm 
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Maraviollantes wrote:
Insufficient for what? To have more weight and credibility than a personal unsourced opinion of one person? Quite sufficient, actually. For somebody who talks so much about reliability and significance you have some extraordinary problems with logic - according to you, 80 votes is "not enough" to make any conclusions and statistics, but your personal 1 vote is "enough" to dismiss those 80 and make any arbitrary conclusions you want. So much for all your arguments about "reliability and significance". :ohdear:


Ok fine, you want some proof to contradict your stupid poll? I managed to find this survey posted on a Japanese site that has 780 participants, MUCH more people than the measly 80 people from your pathetic poll:
https://woman.mynavi.jp/article/130707-013/

According to that article, there was a survey conducted in 2013 by the Japanese site MyNavi, they asked 780 random SM fans in Japan about who their favourite Sailor Senshi is. Now, according to your stupid logic, if you believe the results of your stupid poll, "most" SM fans should be "male" because that's what it states in your pathetic poll, right? Well, out of the 780 SM fans who were surveyed by MyNavi, a whopping 419 of them are actually female, meaning MOST of the SM fans who participated in that SM survey are actually female! This automatically renders your stupid poll irrelevant! Just the fact that this particular survey had 780 participants, compared to the measly 80 votes in your stupid poll, this automatically makes that survey MUCH MORE reliable and credible and accurate than your pathetic poll :tongue: :tongue:
So, contrary to the results of your stupid poll, there's actually MORE female SM fans according to that much more reliable survey, so I was right! :-P

You want anymore proof?

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 Post subject: Re: stereotyping the series
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:30 pm 
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Maraviollantes wrote:
And I would request you to stop putting words I never said into my mouth and then making claims about me based on your own assumptions. :unsure:
You're still making a stereotypical judgment of automatically associating gay males with femininity but heaven forbid you ever admit you were wrong about something. :roll:


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