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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:42 am 
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I think one of my other disappointment which is something that doesn't seem to be talked about much is that it seems like the Silver Crystal sort of became less important later on in the 90s anime even though it's Usagi's most powerful weapon. The 90s anime made such a huge deal about the Silver Crystal in the first two seasons with all the bad guys wanting it's power. The early episodes of S seemed to hint at the Silver Crystal still being an important plot point with it suddenly losing it's power and Usagi unable to transform with it. But then after Usagi gets her new brooch, it's like the 90s anime completely forgets about the Silver Crystal. By SuperS Usagi's powers should have returned to normal at that point, so there's no excuse for her not to use it, but she doesn't even think about using it against Nehelenia, when the Silver Crystal could have easily wiped out the Dead Moon Circus in an instant. The bad guys also seem to just not care about it anymore. Even when Usagi's Star Seed becomes an important plot point in Stars, the Silver Crystal itself is kind of an afterthought. And once again, no one seems to think about using the Silver Crystal against Galaxia for some reason and Galaxia also seems to be uninterested in the Crystal. It's made even more weird by how Usagi actually does use the Silver Crystal one more time in the S movie and she has no real major side effects from using it then other than briefly getting dizzy or something. But I'm pretty sure the S movie is the last time the Silver Crystal ever actually gets used as a weapon in the 90s anime.


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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
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I think one of my other disappointment which is something that doesn't seem to be talked about much is that it seems like the Silver Crystal sort of became less important later on in the 90s anime even though it's Usagi's most powerful weapon. The 90s anime made such a huge deal about the Silver Crystal in the first two seasons with all the bad guys wanting it's power. The early episodes of S seemed to hint at the Silver Crystal still being an important plot point with it suddenly losing it's power and Usagi unable to transform with it. But then after Usagi gets her new brooch, it's like the 90s anime completely forgets about the Silver Crystal. By SuperS Usagi's powers should have returned to normal at that point, so there's no excuse for her not to use it, but she doesn't even think about using it against Nehelenia, when the Silver Crystal could have easily wiped out the Dead Moon Circus in an instant. The bad guys also seem to just not care about it anymore. Even when Usagi's Star Seed becomes an important plot point in Stars, the Silver Crystal itself is kind of an afterthought. And once again, no one seems to think about using the Silver Crystal against Galaxia for some reason and Galaxia also seems to be uninterested in the Crystal. It's made even more weird by how Usagi actually does use the Silver Crystal one more time in the S movie and she has no real major side effects from using it then other than briefly getting dizzy or something. But I'm pretty sure the S movie is the last time the Silver Crystal ever actually gets used as a weapon in the 90s anime.

They really downplay both Sailor Moon's power and the power of the Silver Crystal in the 90's anime. To be fair, it wouldn't be entertaining if the hero could easily wipe out the villains in a single stroke. And, the Silver Crystal being used as a plot device can get a little stale being used as such every time. But it is weird it is not really mentioned again late in the series.


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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
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^ yeah it bugs me they didn't really go into the families of the senshi aside from Usagi

The closest thing we get is Rei's grandpa and professor tomoe

Once more I always found it ridiculous that in no canon did we ever find out Rei's Grandfather's name or whether he was her maternal or paternal Grandfather.


You said it, Maria. It is ridiculous that we never find out important info about Rei's grandfather.

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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
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^^^while I agree with that also I actually let it slide as I love Rei's Grandpa he was such a good character and dang was he powerful when he wanted to be I was shocked he fought off Zoisite that was amazing

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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
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To be honest, Rei's grandfather is another thing I never cared much for in the 90s anime. It was always kind of weird the show thought him sexually harassing women young enough to be his granddaughter was funny.


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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
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Neon Genesis wrote:
To be honest, Rei's grandfather is another thing I never cared much for in the 90s anime. It was always kind of weird the show thought him sexually harassing women young enough to be his granddaughter was funny.

He did the same thing in the manga in both versions he was rather girl crazy and I personally thought it was funny. Honestly the only real difference in the 90s anime vs the manga with Rei's Grandfather is his appearance.

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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
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I didn't care for it in the manga either but at least he was only barely in it which made it easier for Crystal to cut him out completely. The 90s anime went out of the way to make whole episodes about Rei's grandpa starting up this weird wrestling match to harass girls with. Maybe some people find sexual harassment to be funny but it's not for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:23 am 
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I didn't care for it in the manga either but at least he was only barely in it which made it easier for Crystal to cut him out completely. The 90s anime went out of the way to make whole episodes about Rei's grandpa starting up this weird wrestling match to harass girls with. Maybe some people find sexual harassment to be funny but it's not for me.


Thats a very common and popular trope in manga and anime, you'll find it everywhere (and more often): Dragon Ball, One Piece, Detective Conan, Fushigi Yuugi, Ranma, or even Sailor V.

Personally i dont mind as long as it doesnt cross the line.


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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:58 am 
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Yes, a couple million times. Don't get me wrong, this was my introduction to the series and I am a diehard fan of the classic anime, and I think it's something I'll be able to revisit and enjoy for the rest of my life. However... 200 episodes is quite lofty, especially considering the size of the source material(which could be read in one day with enough enthusiasm and caffeine) and a LOT of the episodes fell very flat. I dare say a few are garbage.

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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
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I can't really say the classic anime disappointed me a great deal. I loved it for the most part even though I found Rei to be too hotheaded. Really the only thing I hated was the fact that everyone was more or less an idiot, the minions, the villains, the general population, even the heroes were stupid on some level. It makes it seems a lot less believable for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Has the Classic anime disappointed any of you?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:12 pm 
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I love Classic but a lot of things that others have said apply to my experiences, too: the break-up arc, Rei's character getting lost in translation, Naru x Nephrite, the Outers getting shafted...

Honestly, though, my biggest issues are with the later seasons.

The first season and R basically adapt the source material. They make their own changes but it all basically comes down the same way. S makes a few more changes but the basic story structure is still there.

SuperS...well, I think I've made it known around here that I actually like SuperS for what it is. It has great music, good animation (for Sailor Moon), and some of the best filler episodes in the entire franchise. At the same time, though, it's a HUGE disappointment that they chose not to adapt the Dream arc more accurately. At least we got to see some of that in the first six episodes of Sailor Stars, but that's another disappointment. I enjoy Sailor Stars for what it is -- it's the first season of Sailor Moon I saw in Japanese on fansubbed VHS tapes so I have plenty of fond memories -- but they just chose to not adapt the manga. They took the basic premise and turned it around on itself.

This is one reason why I'm really looking forward to the next season of Crystal. These stories NEED to be adapted properly. I'm not saying Crystal will necessarily do them justice, as only time will tell -- but I definitely feel that while I love SuperS and Sailor Stars, the fact that they're so different from the manga makes me sad.

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