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 Post subject: Naoko's inspirations (magazines, films, fashion ads)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:29 am 
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Came across this video that shows various things that inspired Naoko.


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Very informative even with some references I didn't know like that pic of Usagi and Mamoru dancing being inspired by that movie of Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger.

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I could swear that the dress Pluto is wearing had been designed by Thierry Mugler or Gianni Versace, but nope, Karl Lagerfeld designed it for Chanel. Unbelievable. It is a beautiful dress, but it doesn't reflect Chanel.

I wonder if designers like Thierry Mugler and Christian Lacroix are aware that Naoko blatantly copied their designs. Calaveras and Koan look identical to their models.

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"Inspired" haha. Naoko really loved her fashion to the extent where she took 2 designs to form 2 new characters.

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The Princess Serenity dress, as well. I wonder if she ever got into trouble with Dior.

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There's a difference between getting inspired by something and adding your own style or twist to it and blatantly copying something. That's what Naoko did for a lot of the material she used, especially when it came to costume design. If I were one of the designers she ripped off, I would have definitely sued her.

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Finally! Somebody uncovered the Snow Dancer statue. I'd love to own that piece, so beautiful.

Also, I feel like this is relevant...


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One day Takeuchi somehow came across w/ that clip, & this was her response while watching it: [insert Esmeraude's signature laugh]

I bet there're still others not covered in the clip. :mischief:

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 Post subject: Re: Naoko's inspirations (magazines, films, fashion ads)
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Inspired??? Well, that's a lot of inspiration. Were some of her inspiration in regards to the tight schedule she had when the anime and manga were airing concurrently? That's straight up taking designs but I mean it's all good. We all extend out talents to each other one way or another. I was really diggin that Koan outfit.

It's funny to note that Sailor Moon inspires a lot of outfit designs as well these days.

Anyone have that vid of the model on the runway and her outfit gets Sailor Moon crystal power dress flipped. Her Universe fashion runway.


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 Post subject: Re: Naoko's inspirations (magazines, films, fashion ads)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:56 pm 
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Inspired??? Well, that's a lot of inspiration. Were some of her inspiration in regards to the tight schedule she had when the anime and manga were airing concurrently? That's straight up taking designs but I mean it's all good. We all extend out talents to each other one way or another. I was really diggin that Koan outfit.

I remember back then when I was in elementary/middle school, we dubbed "copying" as "referencing" in regard to our homeworks - when we asked a classmate, who'd already finished a homework, to let us see that homework, we said, "pls lend me your homework for my reference" (of course, both parties knew what that meant XD ).

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I wonder if designers like Thierry Mugler and Christian Lacroix are aware that Naoko blatantly copied their designs.


As long as she doesn't plagiarizes her fellow mangakas she'll be fine :mischief:


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 Post subject: Re: Naoko's inspirations (magazines, films, fashion ads)
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I bet there're still others not covered in the clip. :mischief:


It is not just the design; the name, as well. ^_^

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^ Yeah, that one too, & of course, Poitrine. lol

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I think Naoko's always been fairly upfront about ~taking inspiration~ from various sources. In the notes that accompanied "The Lover of Snow Princess Kaguya" and "Casablanca Memories" she mentions the Snow Dancer statuette, the lamp that inspired the Rain Tree, and I believe whatever the source for Kaguya's design was. In the artbooks, she frequently mentions the ad or poster or whatever artwork inspired her illustrations. She may not have necessarily cited every single source, but I don't think she's ever pretended her work was 100% original. Most artists borrow from some source or other.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:02 am 
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MementoNepenthe wrote:
I think Naoko's always been fairly upfront about ~taking inspiration~ from various sources. In the notes that accompanied "The Lover of Snow Princess Kaguya" and "Casablanca Memories" she mentions the Snow Dancer statuette, the lamp that inspired the Rain Tree, and I believe whatever the source for Kaguya's design was. In the artbooks, she frequently mentions the ad or poster or whatever artwork inspired her illustrations. She may not have necessarily cited every single source, but I don't think she's ever pretended her work was 100% original. Most artists borrow from some source or other.

I also don't think so, nor do I think she intentionally hides anything regarding this matter, because I believe she didn't/doesn't think there's any problem about it at all. :P

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:41 am 
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Of course, Naoko's biggest inspiration was "Bishoujo Kamen Poitrine," and she admitted being influenced by Poitrine in a book called 不滅の戦隊ヒーロー大全集, or Immortal Sentai Hero Daizenshu Collection.

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漫画家の武内直子は、代表作『美少女戦士セーラームーン』を連載する上でこの作品に影響を受けたことを語っている[11][2]。

Poitrine was created by none other than Shotaro Ishinomori (Kamen Rider) and it was a huge hit in Japan in 1990. It sold toys like crazy.



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This thread is making my head spin..all of this "inspiration".


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I would sell both of my kidneys for the Palladio Dress/ Serenity's dress, I love everything about it- Serenity obviously has a slightly different design with the bodice being a little different, and the shoulder pieces looking more like armor than fabric, plus the extra layers and flowiness but the Palladio dress is just...swoon. It looks like something that was found in an ancient temple, which is fitting since it was based off of ancient Greek columns. Serenity's dress is better for artwork and animation with all of those layers, but if there were an actual Princess of the Moon I imagine she would wear that dress.

The other dress (the winged one, can't remember the designer) has a beautiful shape but it just looks so cheesy to me with those fabrics, I like what Naoko did with that silhouette for NQS/Princess Serenity better (though I actually like Anime NQS more than Manga NQS)

I knew about the lotus shape being ripped but I didn't know about the name or the necklace! I like the silver chain better than the original gold chain, though, so I don't regret getting the gorgeous replica I have coming right now (hilariously also made with a Swarovski crystal- full circle much?). I'll always be a bit bothered that the SC was inspired by a candle holder :lol:

The Art Nouveau inspiration is nice, honestly- that kind of aesthetic lends itself well to SM, but maybe that's because so much of Sailor Moon is inspired by that kind of artwork lol. If Naoko is going to steal, at least she has good taste. :mischief:

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It is a Romanesque dress that celebrates Palladian architecture and is suitable to the character Naoko created.

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Personally, I don't like Dior.

Speaking of Palladian architecture...

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The Art Nouveau inspiration is nice, honestly- that kind of aesthetic lends itself well to SM, but maybe that's because so much of Sailor Moon is inspired by that kind of artwork lol. If Naoko is going to steal, at least she has good taste. :mischief:


For a young woman in her early-20s, she knew a lot about art, architecture, and fashion. It is amazing.

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 Post subject: Re: Naoko's inspirations (magazines, films, fashion ads)
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To be fair, those Sailor Noveau arts aren't by her. Looks like they were by anime staffers. But then I guess they were just following in the footsteps of her "inspirations". :roll:


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To be fair, those Sailor Noveau arts aren't by her. Looks like they were by anime staffers. But then I guess they were just following in the footsteps of her "inspirations". :roll:


She did it first and then the anime staffers followed her.

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Going through the translations of Naoko's notes from the second art book:

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In this picture I used my favorite art nouveau motif.


I wonder if that means she just drew it in a general art nouveau style, or if she's imitating a particular painting?
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The clothes on the two characters are from a designer that I wanted to purchase from a little while ago.


Can anyone ID the designer?
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[This picture] reminds me of a fantastic restaurant under the Eiffel Tower, a glittering merry-go-round, and a lovely small hotel on Vandome Square.


Can anyone ID the restaurant, merry-go-round, and hotel Naoko's referring to?
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Naoko says the Sailors' faces in that picture resemble those of the girls playing them in the first musical. What do you think?
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Syria was the place closest to the image of destruction that I had in mind, but I did not have many actual references for it. As a result, I want to see it with my own naked eyes once, at any cost.


Does anyone know if those ruins resemble any actual ruins in Syria? Or if Naoko ever got to visit Syria?
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This is the cover of Nakayoshi the month following Chibi-Usa’s debut appearance. Her hairstyle was not finalized then. The structure of her hair is truly a mystery. I didn’t think deeply when I designed it, so it was a surprise when I first saw a Chibi-Usa doll - I couldn’t believe that her hair could be three-dimensional. So I observed the doll’s head from various angles. A three-dimensional shape is wonderful.


Sounds like Chibi-Usa's hair/head was influenced by her doll?
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http://mangastyle.net/images/artbook2/thumbs/thumbs_sailormoon-artbook-2-35.jpg

Seems the rabbit-shaped pearl earrings Usagi wears in this picture are based on a pair Naoko received from a friend. Can anyone track down the actual/original earrings?

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From Volume 3:

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As a reference for the pose of the ten soldiers, I used an embarrassing adult magazine my editor Osabu bought for me in Shinjuku.


Can anyone ID the adult magazine? :mischief:
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The flowers in the background are anemones. It’s a Mueller lamp motif, like I have hanging from my bedroom ceiling now. It’s a really pretty blue and yellow lamp. While I was on my bed gazing at the lamp, I thought of drawing with those colors, and I drew this.


Can anyone ID the lamp?
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http://mangastyle.net/images/artbook3/s ... k-3-05.jpg

We know Hotaru is wearing a dress by Thierry Mugler, but it turns out the picture is set in the Maxim de Paris, a French restaurant in Shanghai Naoko says she visited with her parents. Has anyone some pictures of the restaurant? I'd love for Naoko (or anyone else for that matter) to do a really short side story about Hotaru going to Shanghai and visiting that restaurant, perhaps with Chibiusa on a romantic date :mischief:
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When I saw a CG-animated dinosaur standing in front of a huge blue moon background, I thought it was really cool! I drew this thinking a blue moon could be nice.


Anyone know what CG-animated dinosaur she could be referencing?
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The model for Tuxedo Mask’s pose I’ve now lost touch with, the first actor for Tuxedo Mask in the musical version, Mizuki Sano. Oh, his Mamoru was really a cute, sweet boy.

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The model for the delta which became the stage for the third series was the emperor’s delta.


Anyone have pictures of the emperor's delta?
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This is the scene where Sailor Moon takes the legendary holy chalice. I found a photo collection of the Vatican at a book store, spread them out in my house, and one treasure caught my eye, the chalice. I wondered about such a divine item as that appearing next. In that way, I finished the image of the moon chalice.


Can anyone ID the Vatican photo collection she's referencing, or at least, more relevantly, the chalice she used as the model for the Holy Grail/Holy Moon Calice?
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I did this picture thinking of drawing a picture in the style of William Blake


Here's the Blake painting referenced: http://www.tate.org.uk/art/images/work/N/N05/N05892_10.jpg
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This is the two of them in the style of models from Vogue Bambino.


Can anyone find an issue of that magazine that might have served as inspiration for this picture?
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The column where Serenity is standing I drew while looking at a picture of a column of an ancient temple of the Roman Forum I took when I went in the fall of ’94.


Can anyone ID the real life column?

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I would take everything Naoko says with a grain of salt.

Has she ever credited Thierry Mugler or Karl Lagerfeld?

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The clothes on the two characters are from a designer that I wanted to purchase from a little while ago.


Can anyone ID the designer?


Very difficult to identify the designer and all of the other items you have posted.

I could swear a while ago that the dress Pluto was wearing was a Versace (chains). To much of my surprise, though, it was designed by Karl Lagerfeld for Chanel. It does not look like Chanel.

As for architecture in general (columns, etc), I feel that Naoko was very specific. I will explain: Princess Serenity wears a Dior dress named Palladio. What is Palladio? Well, Palladio alludes to Palladian architecture. Palladian architecture is an European style of architecture derived from and inspired by the designs of Venetian architect Andrea Palladio.

The Moon Palace and many other buildings that we see in the manga can be seen as examples of Palladian architecture.

If you look up Palladian architecture on Google Images, you will find images of buildings that are identical to those that we see in the manga:

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To sum up, the Dior dress inspired Naoko much more than we think... the history behind the dress allowed her create the landscape of the Moon Kingdom.

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If Naoko is going to steal, at least she has good taste. :mischief:

Can't agree more :cool: - we have a term for that over here, which can be translated as "artistic thief." XD

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Clow wrote:
It is a Romanesque dress that celebrates Palladian architecture and is suitable to the character Naoko created.

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God, I love that dress so much. I've seen a lot of gorgeous Serenity dresses for cosplay, but nothing will ever top the incomparable, ethereal beauty of the original. The layers on Serenity's dress are beautiful but the silhouette and trim on Palladio.. ugh

I don't much pay attention to fashion so I don't have an opinion on Dior, but I adore that dress.

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Can anyone ID the Vatican photo collection she's referencing, or at least, more relevantly, the chalice she used as the model for the Holy Grail/Holy Moon Calice?
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if I have to guess it would be this artifact? It doesn't resemble the Holy Grail really- and it's in Valencia, not the Vatican- but I haven't seen anything that quite resembles it so I'm assuming Naoko got the idea from this and came up with something on her own, with the Valencia Chalice as inspiration.Image


The motif Naoko is talking about for the lamp reminds me of a Tiffany lamp, so that might be it?

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If Naoko is going to steal, at least she has good taste. :mischief:

Can't agree more :cool: - we have a term for that over here, which can be translated as "artistic thief." XD


As Pablo Picasso once said, "Good artists copy, great artists steal."


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Has she ever credited Thierry Mugler or Karl Lagerfeld?


She may have referenced them as designers she admires somewhere in her notes throughout the original tankoubon release or perhaps in interviews, but as far as her notes in the art books go, she only mentions that Setsuna's dress is based on one worn by Naoko Campbell (thus naming the model but not the designer) and that Princess Serenity's was inspired by wedding dresses.


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To sum up, the Dior dress inspired Naoko much more than we think... the history behind the dress allowed her create the landscape of the Moon Kingdom.


Conversely, Naoko was probably already interested in that style of architecture and had it in mind for the landscape of the Moon Kingdom and was subsequently drawn to the Dior dress because it reflected that aesthetic.

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 Post subject: Re: Naoko's inspirations (magazines, films, fashion ads)
PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:30 pm 
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Do you have any more instances of Naoko's inspirations from the other artbooks? I'd love to see more of them. :love:

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 Post subject: Re: Naoko's inspirations (magazines, films, fashion ads)
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MementoNepenthe wrote:
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If Naoko is going to steal, at least she has good taste. :mischief:

Can't agree more :cool: - we have a term for that over here, which can be translated as "artistic thief." XD


As Pablo Picasso once said, "Good artists copy, great artists steal."

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Has she ever credited Thierry Mugler or Karl Lagerfeld?


She may have referenced them as designers she admires somewhere in her notes throughout the original tankoubon release or perhaps in interviews, but as far as her notes in the art books go, she only mentions that Setsuna's dress is based on one worn by Naoko Campbell (thus naming the model but not the designer) and that Princess Serenity's was inspired by wedding dresses.

And a nice typo. :lol:

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