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 Post subject: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:06 pm 
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I recently learned that Makoto's favourite flower are not roses as I thought: according to the manga (act 31, Mugen 5) she says her favourite flower is sasanko which I think it's another way of saying sasanqua. I googled this and this is a type of camellia, the camellia sasanqua which is actually very similar to a rose. The 2012 manga edition, english version, confirms that clearly: Makoto says her favourite flower is sasanqua camellia. This seems relatively consensual.

My point is: are her earrings really pink roses or in fact are they camellia sasanqua? Did 'we' translated well the Materials Collection edition where it's said Naoko wrote 'pink rose earrings'? More: Her favourite tea flavour seems rose tea, the same 2012 manga edition says that. But is it really rose tea or sasanka camellia tea? It seems camellias are pretty popular and traditional in Japan, specially sasanqua's. As it is said in wikipedia:

«Camellia sasanqua, with common name sasanqua camellia, is a species of Camellia native to China and Japan [...]. In Japan, it is not considered to be a true Camellia as the Japanese call it Sazanka (サザンカ, 山茶花) [...] It has a long history of cultivation in Japan for practical rather than decorative reasons. The leaves are used to make tea [...]»

If my thoughts are true, did this happened by translations errors (then and now) or was this a way to make things easier for the western world public? How accurate are english translations? Does anyone knows a bit japanese to see the originals?Thoughts, anyone?


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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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I don't actually know, but the overt mention in the manga makes me think it's likely.

Also, it looks pretty similar to me! (I am not an herbologist, however.) Here's how they look in the anime:


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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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In the Materials Collection they're described as being roses. Also, in I believe the fifth episode 5 of Sailor Stars, when Usagi and Jupiter are in that field of flowers, Usagi sees Jupiter's earrings, they remind her of Tuxedo Mask's roses, and that snaps her out of her daze. So yeah. I think it's safe to say they're roses.

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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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Now I'm picturing Usagi recounting to Makoto more details about how the earring helped her, after the adventure with Nehellenia is over, and then she gets to the part about it reminding her o a rose and Makoto's like "Actually, they're camellias" and Usagi is like "bwuh ?_?"

But yeah, can confirm that the Materials Collection says they're roses (according to the Miss Dream translation):


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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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Mitsukara wrote:
Now I'm picturing Usagi recounting to Makoto more details about how the earring helped her, after the adventure with Nehellenia is over, and then she gets to the part about it reminding her o a rose and Makoto's like "Actually, they're camellias" and Usagi is like "bwuh ?_?"

But yeah, can confirm that the Materials Collection says they're roses (according to the Miss Dream translation):


Can you please tell me which episode or chapter is that scene where Mako-chan says it's camellias? :o

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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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well, Mako does specifically say her favorite flowers were the sasanqua camellias and it reminds her of her sempai

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templariuS wrote:
Mitsukara wrote:
Now I'm picturing Usagi recounting to Makoto more details about how the earring helped her, after the adventure with Nehellenia is over, and then she gets to the part about it reminding her o a rose and Makoto's like "Actually, they're camellias" and Usagi is like "bwuh ?_?"

But yeah, can confirm that the Materials Collection says they're roses (according to the Miss Dream translation):


Can you please tell me which episode or chapter is that scene where Mako-chan says it's camellias? :o


Mitsukara was just joking. Mako never says her earrings are camellias...

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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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Either way, there are two other times I recall I have some doubts about this: does anyone understand Japanese to know if her belt in the Manga is rose belt? And in her Manga chapter with Petz, does she really say she's drinking Rose Tea as we see in English translations?

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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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Yes, Mako says she loves rose tea. I don't even think there is such a thing as camellia tea, sasanqua or otherwise.

Naoko only describes Jupiter's belt as having potpourri in the little orb thing. She doesn't mention roses in association with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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MementoNepenthe wrote:
I don't even think there is such a thing as camellia tea, sasanqua or otherwise

According to Wikipedia it's pretty common as I posted in my first post: "It has a long history of cultivation in Japan for practical rather than decorative reasons. The leaves are used to make tea [...]"

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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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templariuS wrote:
Can you please tell me which episode or chapter is that scene where Mako-chan says it's camellias? :o

Perhaps I should've said I was "imagining" rather than "picturing" (imagining a picture in my head). I was describing a hypothetical, "what-if" scene at the end of the Nehellenia arc in Sailor Stars, of what might've happened if Makoto's earrings were supposed to be camellias instead of roses and Usagi's reaction as I would imagine it, because it's an amusing mental image to me.

Sorry for the confusion :(


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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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camellia's definition is japanese rose in many crosswords.so it's some kind of rose already :cool: :)

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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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Mitsukara wrote:


Don't mention :) I imagined if that really happened it could be Mako-chan trying to see her rose earrings as camellia's just for teasing Usagi and because she would like to imagine her special earrings to be the flower that she loves the most xD

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camellia's definition is japanese rose in many crosswords.so it's some kind of rose already :cool: :)


So, I'm back at square 1 if I can say that... even when in japanese they call it rose we don't know if it's actually a rose or if it's a japanese rose (aka camellia) :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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Not that it matters here but I seem to remember the DiC dub outright calling them rose earrings. Or at least Serena thought they were

I mean same dub that called pork buns donuts and daifuku chocolate cakes


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Neither roses or camellias. They are CHANEL. :keke:


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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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Neither roses or camellias. They are CHANEL. :keke:
I usually find Chanel to be a very charming brand, but those earrings are hideous. They look like a last minute Vera Bradley phone in.

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 Post subject: Re: Makoto's earrings: roses or sasanqua camellias?
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Neither roses or camellias. They are CHANEL. :keke:
I usually find Chanel to be a very charming brand, but those earrings are hideous. They look like a last minute Vera Bradley phone in.

And the Chanel logo looks somewhat like a bio-hazard warning sign there. :lol:

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