Kerochan no Miko wrote:
Kerochan no Miko wrote:
They used them in the manga, yes, but in the anime it's sort of implied that they didn't start using those attacks until after they were "powered up" by Hotaru in episode 167.
But maybe I should write a fanfic that explains away all the plot holes and refer to it a lot, too, instead of canon sources.
First of all cut the snarky attitude. There was nothing in the anime that implied that the Outers did not have these attacks before Hotaru powered them up. What it was said was that they had a surge of power not that they were using any new attacks.
I challenge you to enter a discussion about canon facts without plugging your fanfic. Seriously.
And nothing in the anime? It is open to interpretation whether or not it's true, certainly, but the fact that they didn't use those attacks at all
in S is a pretty good sign that they didn't have them - do you seriously think that Uranus and Neptune, the senshi who were throwing everything they had plus the kitchen sink at the Death Busters, would have not
used their talisman attacks if they'd had them? I think that's enough evidence that they didn't have access to them at that point in time. Plus, there were a lot of manga attacks that should have existed in S but didn't. Shine Snow Illusion, anyone?
And any time in the anime that someone had a powerup they got a new attack with it. They got a powerup from Hotaru, then immediately used new attacks. It's logically consistent that said powerup gave them the ability to use those attacks, wouldn't you say?
I have mentioned canon facts. I only mentioned my fanfiction because it was related to the topic and countless people here do the same things.
Also again just because they did not use them in S dosen't mean they did not have them. We never saw the Outer's Super transformations in Sailor Stars but that dosen't mean they did not have them. In fact they didn't really rely on their talismans at all in S until Pluto told them to and in fact their attacks used against germatoid were like precursors to these attacks. There is absolutely nothing in the show saying they did not already get these attacks when they got their talismans.
Also no this is not always so sometimes Senshi get power ups but no new attacks. After Saturn powered up Pluto, Pluto did not get a new attack. All she used in the Sailor Stars show was Dead Scream over and over again. All it was said was they were given a power upgrade and they showed this power upgrade at first by showing how their World Shaking, Deep Submerge and Dead Scream against the Mirror Paredis. Saturn too never got a new attack. The only attack we saw here use was Silence Glaive Surprise and there is nothing saying that particular attack she could use in her first form or second form. In actuality the anime was very stingy on giving the Outers new attacks. Again you have no canon facts to say that that Uranus and Neptune could not already use these attacks in the anime. Plus it wouldn't make much sense for them to be given these talismans in S and have no attacks to use with them. That would be like Sailor Moon receiving a wand and having no attacks to use with it. It only makes sense that they would have attacks for these weapons when they got them.
However when it comes to the first 2 movies there are really no plotholes and they can easily fit in the R and S seasons respectively. People make a big deal about the enemies of those seasons not being there but the senshi were not fighting the enemies every single day of the year. Sometimes they had down time.
Some plot holes I don't know if it was mentioned was related to the Disguise Pen. In the Makaiju arc Luna says that only Usagi can use it however in S Minako uses it. They should have had Minako just to use her compact mirror from her Sailor V days to transform into the fake Sailor Moon.
Another plot hole is how the enemies work in Stars. The Animamates seem to act like they seriously do not know that Sailor Senshi are the ones that have Sailor Crystals even though they have completely conquered most of the galaxy. My brother had a theory on this based on canon but since I can't mention theories without some people getting pissy then I will just keep it to my self.