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 Post subject: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:58 am 
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I want your brutally honest opinions here. :o Do you guys think that us Moonies are really as bad as some people make us out to be? :o :roll: I don't think we're that bad, it's just that certain fans have given us Moonies a bad reputation. :o

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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Yes. We are THAT bad.


well that's putting it bluntly :lol: but yes Mara's right some people on here are bad but not all of them some like to troll others like to pick fights with others over the dumbest stuff like there personal opinion for example

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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Based on what I have seen, I am convinced that "Sailor Moon" will cause the destruction of the world one day. That's all.

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Some of you guys really piss me off sometimes, so yes, it's not the kindest fandom ever.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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like with any fandom there's good and bad but yeah when this fandom is bad it's really bad but there's much worse out there

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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if you think this fandoms bad just look at the Steven Universe Fandom this one chick who drew a heavy set character skinny was bullied into suicide

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:25 pm 
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I live under a rock. The entirety of my examples of social Sailor Moon Fandom are:

- Randomly reading posts on this forum as a lurker in previous years infrequently, of which I only really remembered the ones speculating about the setting, like the location of Elysion or stuff like that, or about that one PC Engine game which I still really really really really wish had a full translation because holy crap guys Nephrite interacts with Naru in something based on the anime continuity and the Shitennou get revived in some way that involves the kurozuishou, they actually remembered what that thing is and...

what was I saying? Oh, right.

- Posting a billion words here (which is a billion too many) in the past week or so, and checking out some active threads. Seems like a lot of people here like to complain (mostly about Crystal) or are slightly argumentative, but nobody really seems like huge jerks, just people in bad moods articulating their points pretty decently. In other words it all seems pretty reasonable to me.

- Reading Shadowjack's 'In Which I Watch Sailor Moon' threads on the RPGnet forums, which were all very friendly and civil far as I can see, and a few posts in the current one (and image rehostening comic thread).

- Reading a couple tumblrs ("Sailor Failures", "F Yeah Senshi/Shittenou"/"F Yeah Moon Guardians", and the "Nephrite and Naru Treasury Annex"), which were mostly just decent articles, fanart, friendly speculation, or fanfiction snippets.

- Reading part of Sailor Moon Z by John Biles and Jeff Hosmer, (I should probably get around to finishing that one, it was interesting but really long.)

- Reading the Naru and Nephrite Treasury fanfiction website which is carefully vetted by one person who seems decent. The writing quality varies and some of the characterization is weird, and one or two dabble in really uncomfortable dark subjects (sometimes handled well, sometimes less so), but none of the fanfics seemed truly horrible and a lot of them were pretty good.

- Briefly interacting with a few people on Deviantart who seemed reasonable, and having friendly (but brief) discussions about stuff. I haven't updated my deviantart in a long time though.

- Searching image repository sites that had adult content and very few social activity elements. Some of the content probably offends somebody just by existing, and there's some I wouldn't want to look at personally, but I don't think there's anything it's ethically 'wrong' to draw per se. Also, that stuff exists for every major franchise, especially every major Japanese franchise.

- Registering on some subtitle/translation thing (I forget what it was) where someone wrote a big angry e-mail to everyone who was signed up complaining about the Sailor Moon fandom for some reason, because they personally were dying of cancer?? :( That was kind of a one-off thing though.

Basically, I haven't seen any reason to think the Sailor Moon fandom is somehow worse than other fandoms.
- People fight about weird details with any series, which isn't that big of a problem really.
- People disagree about character relationships in all kind of wacky ways, I think that's more of a cultural problem with 'one true pairing' monogamy logic and people getting too obsessed with jealousy :)
- Porn exists of everything, but I don't honestly see that as a problem?
- Individual random people will fight about pretty much anything wherever you go, so that can't really be helped.
- Fighting about homosexuality, transgender stuff, and LGBT things in general is just a thing in the modern day (and it's kind of cooling down from where it was 10 years ago, having become a bit more accepted/widely known); not a very Sailor Moon-specific thing.
- Fighting about beastiality... ohoho, no, Sailor Moon is NOT the center of that internet drama, there's definitely worse franchise fandoms to fight about that. (But I don't think it's an appropriate thing to hate on in cases like Sailor Moon anyway, since it only happens with sapient beings, all of whom seem to have human forms anyway.)
- Fighting about age gaps in romance... that might be more specific to Sailor Moon fandom, due to the source material being unusually supportive of the concept (Usagi/Mamoru being the #1 example, but not the only one). But I dunno. I think if both parties are mature and consenting, and are careful not to violate the law (you gotta wait for certain things until everybody's at least 18 in the US or, what was it, 16 in Japan?), then this isn't necessarily a problem, just a complicated situation.

In other other words, Sailor Moon's fandom seems pretty normal to me. A little on the older sisde maybe, since the franchise hasn't seen consistent releases or major revitalization since it's heyday, and the mainstream cultural thing has broken down since then anyway. But I haven't really been THAT active I guess, I don't know.

My views are pretty accepting and liberal anyway, so I don't think these are inappropriate subjects to consider, and I'm not seeing any drama specific to Sailor Moon that isn't going on in plenty of other places already.


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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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How about the Voltron fandom? That fandom is crazy, look all those ship wars going around. I'm speaking of the 2016 Voltron series, of course.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:46 pm 
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If we're talking about bad fandoms, why not the Dream Daddy dating sim? Someone drew all the characters as females and was bombarded with death threats.

Anyways, while I was doing my web comic on Genvid, I've received hate mail because I did not like the drama of Usagi Kou. I brushed it aside and mocked the improper spelling in said pieces, who knew I was going end up a website criticizing Sailor Moon OCs? Which, I did get threats on Tumblr by the artist, due to the fact I called her corset wearing senshi a Sue.

Plus in this forum, we has meltdowns over which is the proper translation of the manga/material collections of Sailor Moon. and let's not forget the catfights between 90s anime vs crystal. (Where it was hinted that Crystal doesn't want male fans of the series.) So yeah, the SM fandom can be bad, but we can improve with every post we make.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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It's not as bad as some people think.

Granted, it's pretty bad -- but that's not a Sailor Moon thing. It's a fandom thing. Fandom itself is generally pretty crappy. But at the end of the day, we all like Sailor Moon and I think most of us here remember that. Even though we all can be infected with "nerd rage" now and then, lol.

Basically, all of the in-fighting and Naoko-bashing and anything else you can think of for the Sailor Moon fandom exists in all KINDS of other fandoms (especially things like anime or large franchises like Transformers). I mean, the Star Trek fandom was arguably the first "modern" fandom and they've probably seen it all.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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It's the same as any forum that you run into.

1) There are always toxic members who make the place not very friendly to others. You could run into a k-pop convention with a bunch of singers and there will be anti fan members in each group. I don't need to go any further, since it will slide off-topic.

2) There is always going to be bickering and fights amongst the members. Every once in a while, if someone doesn't agree with another person, they will be quick to argue and turn it into a full on fight.

3) People will talk randomly and will bring off topic conversations, which is sometimes good because it helps bring up a good relationship among members. It also sheds light on what members like and dislike.

4) People will mention their favorite memories of the fandom, such as when they used to go home to watch Sailor Moon or watch Saturday morning cartoons.

This forum is what anyone makes it to be. It can be bad, or it can be good. It's the same thing with any forum. If you're going to have arguments all the time, it can turn out to be bad and people leave, or it can be good if people accept different viewpoints and can point out mistakes that one person made so it doesn't happen twice.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:22 am 
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I guess I'm pretty sheltered from all the terribleness myself. Apart from here and the Galaxy Cauldron I'm not on really another other site so I can't claim to know a great deal about the fandom, but from my experience the fandom is more or less like any other; it has it's good and positive elements as well as it's hardcore fanatics. You guys are more likely much better judges than myself, but I think the fandom is fine, certainly everyone here is okay.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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Our fandom is nowhere near as bad as other fandoms have been. I have seen far, far worse.

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If we're talking about bad fandoms, why not the Dream Daddy dating sim? Someone drew all the characters as females and was bombarded with death threats.


Off topic: I saw that artwork. My only complaint is that the Female!Damien wasn't drawn masculine enough. It's offhandedly mentioned that he's trans in canon.

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What about a certain inactive admin who cyberbullied most of the members of this forum by abusing their admin powers? :o


You mean Elly? Yeah. There's a reason I refuse to watch Miss Dream's stuff. Her whole group is rotten to the core.

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What about a certain inactive admin who cyberbullied most of the members of this forum by abusing their admin powers? :o


You mean Elly? Yeah. There's a reason I refuse to watch Miss Dream's stuff. Her whole group is rotten to the core.


She means :kero:

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This talk of gender reversed stuff causing major drama got me to thinking. Would people freak out much (at least around here, social trends are a whole other question) if someone made an alternate-continuity fanfic/comic/drawings thing, where somehow the Moon kingdom got corrupted instead of the Earth, so that you wind up with a thing where Mamoru and the Shitennou are battling villainous, brainwashed (but sympathetic, as much so as the Shittenou were) versions of the Sailor Senshi? And a disguised Sailor Moon running around bailing Mamoru out of his own foolishness with a well-timed Moon Tiara and goofy speech, then running off, and eventually being the brainwashed Princess Serenity for their final battle? (Mamoru would presumably also wear a Shitennou-type uniform most of the time, and nobody realizes he's the prince at first.)

So basically a distaff Dark Kingdom arc? (possibly with reversed ages, too. And I think Rei/Mars would be the equivalent 'Masato Sanjoin' with her billions of goals for careers, and her prophetic visions/fire readings trying to nudge her in the right direction when she doesn't quite get it, just like the stars seemed to be doing with him.)

I haven't made any of the above, and it would need to be carefully handled if anyone ever did, but it's a subject I've given some thought to because I like both sides of the conflict so much that it's fun for me to think about, but I suspect some people would be offended. :( So just in case I ever get around to using those ideas (or if anyone else wants to), I figure it's worth asking.

Also, without starting some sort of fight (and everybody probably dropping the subject if it starts turning into one): what's wrong about MissDream exactly? I haven't socialized with them at all, but I've looked up their translations for things that I couldn't get in hard copy (and as a second source when the hard copies seemed iffy).


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This talk of gender reversed stuff causing major drama got me to thinking. Would people freak out much (at least around here, social trends are a whole other question) if someone made an alternate-continuity fanfic/comic/drawings thing, where somehow the Moon kingdom got corrupted instead of the Earth, so that you wind up with a thing where Mamoru and the Shitennou are battling villainous, brainwashed (but sympathetic, as much so as the Shittenou were) versions of the Sailor Senshi? And a disguised Sailor Moon running around bailing Mamoru out of his own foolishness with a well-timed Moon Tiara and goofy speech, then running off, and eventually being the brainwashed Princess Serenity for their final battle? (Mamoru would presumably also wear a Shitennou-type uniform most of the time, and nobody realizes he's the prince at first.)

So basically a distaff Dark Kingdom arc? (possibly with reversed ages, too. And I think Rei/Mars would be the equivalent 'Masato Sanjoin' with her billions of goals for careers, and her prophetic visions/fire readings trying to nudge her in the right direction when she doesn't quite get it, just like the stars seemed to be doing with him.)

I haven't made any of the above, and it would need to be carefully handled if anyone ever did, but it's a subject I've given some thought to because I like both sides of the conflict so much that it's fun for me to think about, but I suspect some people would be offended. :( So just in case I ever get around to using those ideas (or if anyone else wants to), I figure it's worth asking.

Also, without starting some sort of fight (and everybody probably dropping the subject if it starts turning into one): what's wrong about MissDream exactly? I haven't socialized with them at all, but I've looked up their translations for things that I couldn't get in hard copy (and as a second source when the hard copies seemed iffy).


....I want to read a fanfic about that subject. Seriously you have me intrigued.

Miss Dream's people are horrible. They harass anyone that tries to fan sub or translate that isn't part of their group, trying to force them to stop. They lie and claim they're the only ones with "permission" to translate things, and thus no one else should even try. They cyber bulled the owner of another SM forum when they found it they were a guy posting under Usagi's name. They once tried to stage a coup here and failed, which is why they have their own site now. Basically scum.

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I forget SaveOurSailors. A site relished in pro dubbing that their BS had to make Nanko call them off for their “Prince Uranus” rumours because they just couldn’t accept LGBT characters that time.

Kinda funny when you also see threads that claim Sailor Moon made me gay.

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You mean Elly? Yeah. There's a reason I refuse to watch Miss Dream's stuff. Her whole group is rotten to the core.[/quote]
No, I'm not talking about Elly, I'm talking about Kerochan no Miko. :kero: :o

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Understood Rika. If you want you can cauldron my post. @Time Sage If you want more if on what happened you can PM me. :o

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This talk of gender reversed stuff causing major drama got me to thinking. Would people freak out much (at least around here, social trends are a whole other question) if someone made an alternate-continuity fanfic/comic/drawings thing, where somehow the Moon kingdom got corrupted instead of the Earth, so that you wind up with a thing where Mamoru and the Shitennou are battling villainous, brainwashed (but sympathetic, as much so as the Shittenou were) versions of the Sailor Senshi? And a disguised Sailor Moon running around bailing Mamoru out of his own foolishness with a well-timed Moon Tiara and goofy speech, then running off, and eventually being the brainwashed Princess Serenity for their final battle? (Mamoru would presumably also wear a Shitennou-type uniform most of the time, and nobody realizes he's the prince at first.)

So basically a distaff Dark Kingdom arc? (possibly with reversed ages, too. And I think Rei/Mars would be the equivalent 'Masato Sanjoin' with her billions of goals for careers, and her prophetic visions/fire readings trying to nudge her in the right direction when she doesn't quite get it, just like the stars seemed to be doing with him.)

I haven't made any of the above, and it would need to be carefully handled if anyone ever did, but it's a subject I've given some thought to because I like both sides of the conflict so much that it's fun for me to think about, but I suspect some people would be offended. :( So just in case I ever get around to using those ideas (or if anyone else wants to), I figure it's worth asking.

Also, without starting some sort of fight (and everybody probably dropping the subject if it starts turning into one): what's wrong about MissDream exactly? I haven't socialized with them at all, but I've looked up their translations for things that I couldn't get in hard copy (and as a second source when the hard copies seemed iffy).

Somebody actually did do a story with the plot you mentioned it can be found here.

http://sailor-scribbles.tumblr.com/

That being said while the Sailor Moon fandom can have some bad apples it is pretty tame in comparison to the wild antics of certain other fandoms. Steven Universe for instance is one of the worst. The fandom is loaded with SJWs. They even bullied a girl to attempt suicide just because she drew Rose Quartz thin.

That being said somethings I will never understand about certain Sailor Moon fans. One of the biggest gripes I have is with homophobic fans who typically try to heterosexualize characters. I knew this girl on deviantart who recently rage quitted deviantart who made Haruka and Michiru straight because it offended her religion but kept Rei being Shinto. I am like you realize that Rei's Paganism is equally offensive to your fundamentalist brand of religion as is Haruka and Michiru's homosexuality. She eventually blocked me and as I said before rage quitted because people criticized her homophobia. I mean Sailor Moon isn't really a good fandom for homophobes.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:20 am 
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I mean Sailor Moon isn't really a good fandom for homophobes.


Yeah... that is true. Haruka and Michiru, the Starlights, Fioré, many LGBTQ characters.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Sailor Moon fandom really as bad as people think?
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Clow wrote:
MariaTenebre wrote:
I mean Sailor Moon isn't really a good fandom for homophobes.


Yeah... that is true. Haruka and Michiru, the Starlights, Fioré, many LGBTQ characters.

Very true I mean the only series that aren't explicitly Yuri or Yaoi that I think can out gay Sailor Moon is Utena and almost any CLAMP series. Being bi honestly seems the norm in those series.

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Time Sage wrote:
....I want to read a fanfic about that subject. Seriously you have me intrigued.

Well, I may give it a try sometime down the road. :) Right now I'm working on a different story that has to do with events in 31st century Crystal Tokyo (a century after the time Chibi-usa returns to) and the fall of the Golden Kingdom, basically extending the timeline at both ends.

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Ah, that sounds pretty unfortunate :( I generally try not to take sides in a conflict without at least checking out both sides, but I will say I've never liked exclusivity or competition of the sort described.

It is also a bit silly when people complain about the LGBT stuff, it's pretty canonically clear what the intent was in the story.

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Somebody actually did do a story with the plot you mentioned it can be found here.


Terran Moon? Looks pretty interesting, I'll check into it. Thanks! :)


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