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 Post subject: Re: Japan's population in crisis
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:31 am 
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Btw, this is not limited to Japan. South Korea and China also facing an ageing problem. In China's case, they recently ended their one child policy, but families over there are not eager to have more than one kid, so the ageing trend continues.

Agreed, it seems to be a universal developmental phenomenon, & some time in the future even India could face the same problem, & then the African countries, too.


Its not a question of absolute but the degree of difference. There is a wide chasm between animals and humans, even though essentially we humans share the basic instincts as the other animals, its how we can control and manage ourselves that is distinctive.

As for Africa, that is only assuming Africa does reach that stage of development of course. Exceptions aside (i.e. Bostwana), that continent has been plagued by misgovernance, endemic corruption and civil wars ever since the decolonization. They won't reach that level of aging population until much later, if ever. They need to get their house in order first.


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Its not a question of absolute but the degree of difference. There is a wide chasm between animals and humans, even though essentially we humans share the basic instincts as the other animals, its how we can control and manage ourselves that is distinctive.

What I meant is that even the degree of difference is also a relative thing, & could even been seen as negligible, depending on how one & who sees it. :)

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As for Africa, that is only assuming Africa does reach that stage of development of course. Exceptions aside (i.e. Bostwana), that continent has been plagued by misgovernance, endemic corruption and civil wars ever since the decolonization. They won't reach that level of aging population until much later, if ever. They need to get their house in order first.

Granted those're all true, but I was talking about the (far) future. :wink:

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Here is a video explaining how Japan's success-driven culture is killing its youth: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Pwn6JX4eY

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Here is a video explaining how Japan's success-driven culture is killing its youth: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Pwn6JX4eY

No youth, no future. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Japan's population in crisis
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As a historian, I have been reading about the Japanese diaspora, and about the histories of Japanese individuals who emigrated from Japan to Brazil in the beginning of the twentieth century. The Japanese who began to arrive in Brazil (starting in 1908) hoped to live happier lives, or live in Brazil only briefly; though, they were unaware of the fact that they would essentially be doing the same labor as African slaves did in cotton and coffee farms, with the exception that they would be paid (very little) for it.

When hundreds (or thousands, the researchers are still investigating the data) of Japanese workers started committing sepukku in Brazilian farms, the owners of Brazilian farms (white families with an European background) were not only surprised, but also appalled.

It was a clash of cultures: the wealthy Brazilians couldn't understand why the Japanese emigrants didn't accept being abused as most African slaves did; why they were committing the sin of taking away their own lives; why they had a sense of pride that most African slaves did not.

Of course, slavery is wrong, and these wealthy Brazilian farmers were on the wrong side of history (Brazilians today and I myself view what these families did to African slaves and Asian emigrants as unforgivable).

That being said... it seems to me that Japanese individuals have a strong source of pride, in that in some ways taking away your own life is viewed as socially acceptable if you embarrass yourself or your family...

... and I wonder where this sense of pride (which is historical) comes from. Can we date this sense of pride back to the Samurai days?

It seems to me that Japanese kids are so fed up with everything that they are choosing to live their lives differently: not to marry, focus only on their careers, or become hermits (as shown in video).

PS. If my post seemed culturally insensitive, please do forgive me; I am under the effect of a strong medication right now, and did not have time to proofread or reflect about what I wrote.

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 Post subject: Re: Japan's population in crisis
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Granted those're all true, but I was talking about the (far) future. :wink:


Well, the difference between animals and humans in how they live are certainly not minute. The biological process may be very similar between humans and animals, but the end result in their lives are so different. Humans can shape their environment with such a speed that no other animal can match, for example.

As for ageing population, that is partially related to development economics. Poor countries have economies that are more manpower intensive, therefore families require more kids. Rich countries have less need.

And why are some countries rich and others poor? It comes down to institutions and governance. Sourh Korea was poorer than Ghana in the 1950s (in fact, the African country was deemed to have better prospects). But Korea has since grown in leaps and bounds to far surpassed Ghana. Today South Korea is a modern and developed economy and Ghana remains very much a poor developing country.

Why the difference? One has proper instutitions and the other did not. One gave proper incentives for it citizens to work hard and save. To protect their property rights and assets. The other did not. The other had weak rule of law.


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It seems to me that Japanese kids are so fed up with everything that they are choosing to live their lives differently: not to marry, focus only on their careers, or become hermits (as shown in video).

Like a passive protest against reality? lol

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Well, the difference between animals and humans in how they live are certainly not minute. The biological process may be very similar between humans and animals, but the end result in their lives are so different. Humans can shape their environment with such a speed that no other animal can match, for example.

Like what I've already said above, whether such difference is big or small is just a relative thing, dependant on how it's seen by whom. :wink:

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As for ageing population, that is partially related to development economics. Poor countries have economies that are more manpower intensive, therefore families require more kids. Rich countries have less need.

And why are some countries rich and others poor? It comes down to institutions and governance. Sourh Korea was poorer than Ghana in the 1950s (in fact, the African country was deemed to have better prospects). But Korea has since grown in leaps and bounds to far surpassed Ghana. Today South Korea is a modern and developed economy and Ghana remains very much a poor developing country.

Why the difference? One has proper instutitions and the other did not. One gave proper incentives for it citizens to work hard and save. To protect their property rights and assets. The other did not. The other had weak rule of law.

While still being plagued by tons of long-time problems, parts of the continent have been fast changing in their socioeconomic outlooks at present. It'll still be a long, long road & there might even be setbacks, but the overall trend has become more optimistic now. :)

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It seems to me that Japanese kids are so fed up with everything that they are choosing to live their lives differently: not to marry, focus only on their careers, or become hermits (as shown in video).

Like a passive protest against reality?


No more like "that's it; we've had it; following your rules has driven us either insane or mentally ill. No more."

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It seems to me that Japanese kids are so fed up with everything that they are choosing to live their lives differently: not to marry, focus only on their careers, or become hermits (as shown in video).

Like a passive protest against reality?


No more like "that's it; we've had it; following your rules has driven us either insane or mentally ill. No more."

So since they can't change the reality/rules but don't wanna play along w/ or adapt to it, they choose to quit & withdraw/escape from it instead. When a large, increasing number of people are taking that path or strategy to navigate their life, it shows that there're some serious flaws in the system.

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 Post subject: Re: Japan's population in crisis
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It seems to me that Japanese kids are so fed up with everything that they are choosing to live their lives differently: not to marry, focus only on their careers, or become hermits (as shown in video).

Like a passive protest against reality? lol

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Well, the difference between animals and humans in how they live are certainly not minute. The biological process may be very similar between humans and animals, but the end result in their lives are so different. Humans can shape their environment with such a speed that no other animal can match, for example.

Like what I've already said above, whether such difference is big or small is just a relative thing, dependant on how it's seen by whom. :wink:

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As for ageing population, that is partially related to development economics. Poor countries have economies that are more manpower intensive, therefore families require more kids. Rich countries have less need.

And why are some countries rich and others poor? It comes down to institutions and governance. Sourh Korea was poorer than Ghana in the 1950s (in fact, the African country was deemed to have better prospects). But Korea has since grown in leaps and bounds to far surpassed Ghana. Today South Korea is a modern and developed economy and Ghana remains very much a poor developing country.

Why the difference? One has proper instutitions and the other did not. One gave proper incentives for it citizens to work hard and save. To protect their property rights and assets. The other did not. The other had weak rule of law.

While still being plagued by tons of long-time problems, parts of the continent have been fast changing in their socioeconomic outlooks at present. It'll still be a long, long road & there might even be setbacks, but the overall trend has become more optimistic now. :)


Yes, parts of Africa is improving. Not all the continent is a basket case. I think they should also learn development strategies from Asia. Like Africa, many parts of Asia were colonized up until World War 2, yet now, many Asian countries are relatively more developed. Their success is instructive to many African countries.

And speaking of which, I think Asia, in particular East Asia, has something to learn from the rest of the world. Some of them (Japan most notably) are trapped in a rigid mindset when it comes to working life. This ongoing problem of karoshi is clear example. They are trapped into this culture that seem very resistant to change. Yet for all the very long hours and grueling work that the average Japanese salary man devote to their companies, the Japanese economy is still struggling to achieve sustainable growth. And this ageing population is not helping. Something has to change. The question is what and how.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:55 am 
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So since they can't change the reality/rules but don't wanna play along w/ or adapt to it, they choose to quit & withdraw/escape from it instead. When a large, increasing number of people are taking that path or strategy to navigate their life, it shows that there're some serious flaws in the system.


You know, I kind of see myself a lot in these Japanese kids.

I spent my 20s working and studying to the point of exhaustion. I have two master's degrees (both obtained through a scholarship/grant; both related to STEM areas), I fluently speak 3 languages, and now that I am in my early-30s I am facing a mid-life crisis, and I have been so depressed that my doctor replaced the anti-depressant I had been taking since I was 15 with a much more powerful one, and increased the dosage of my tranquilizer from 2 to 4 mg.

There isn't one single day in which I don't cry, feel despair, or anxiety. I pray to God everyday that I can get out of this crisis, and that I will be feeling better by the time that Autumn begins.

Whenever my husband mentions the idea of raising children, I freak out --because I don't think the system to which I was subjected since I was little (a very success-driven system) prepared me to be a father.

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 Post subject: Re: Japan's population in crisis
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^ I don't have much to say about your situation, as I obviously dunno much about it & you've already been under professional support, but I hope it'll improve & you'll get thru it in due course. :)

I think the Japanese case is a good study material for countries around the region & also the world - w/e steps they take to tackle the problem, whether successful or not, as well as any lack of them, are good lessons & should be closely watched, as the similar problem will occur in other countries sooner or later, too (if not having already been now).

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 Post subject: Re: Japan's population in crisis
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As Japan struggles with a plummeting birthrate, a growing number of men -- known as 'herbivores' -- are turning their backs on love and traditional masculine values for a quiet, uncompetitive life.


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"Japanese women are cold-hearted," he said while on a seaside stroll with his silicone squeeze.

"They're very selfish. Men want someone to listen to them without grumbling when they get home from work," Ozaki added.



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Future doll users can expect more bang for their buck as researchers work to develop next-generation sexbots able to talk, laugh and even simulate an orgasm.



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^ When robots have evolved to be partially/mostly/wholly organically-based, w/ synthetic nerons, genes, & whatnots, should they be dated then, especially when they've already been given some legal status w/ certain "human" rights? :)

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Japan is still trying to cut back on working hours, especially in light of how many of the younger generation don't leave work until their boss does or they do so much overtime. Japan is also one of few countries offering incentives...

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Japan is still trying to cut back on working hours, especially in light of how many of the younger generation don't leave work until their boss does or they do so much overtime. Japan is also one of few countries offering incentives...

They have to release the full working potential of the female population, by freeing them from domestic & childcare works, which probably means importing foreign domestic helpers from Third World countries (unless/until their robots are sufficiently advanced to take over all of those works lol ).

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^ When robots have evolved to be partially/mostly/wholly organically-based, w/ synthetic nerons, genes, & whatnots, should they be dated then, especially when they've already been given some legal status w/ certain "human" rights? :)


It's just a matter of fine tuning all the little details.


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Joshi kousei dating services have been outlawed in Tokyo today: https://japantoday.com/category/nationa ... into-force

I guess that will push yet more lonely otaku to date 2D girls and dakimakura instead of real women. :P

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^ When robots have evolved to be partially/mostly/wholly organically-based, w/ synthetic nerons, genes, & whatnots, should they be dated then, especially when they've already been given some legal status w/ certain "human" rights? :)

At some point in the future it will be illegal to date robots who are younger than 18yo.

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one thing that I have noticed is that some Japanese people don't date within their own race. I have a couple of friends who aren't Japanese and are dating them. Even on one YouTube video it seems that the male generation isn't so keen on dating their female counterparts.

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^ When robots have evolved to be partially/mostly/wholly organically-based, w/ synthetic nerons, genes, & whatnots, should they be dated then, especially when they've already been given some legal status w/ certain "human" rights? :)


It's just a matter of fine tuning all the little details.


Considering the close economic ties between Pakistan & China, I suspect the crude-looking robot is manufactured in one of those bootleg factories in some inland regions of China. :P

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What do you take of this?

http://www.dw.com/en/why-fewer-japanese-are-seeking-marriage/a-19349576

Quote from the article: "More than half of single women want their spouses to earn at least four million yen (33,794 euros, $38,270) a year," the report said. "Meanwhile, only 15.2 percent of single men in their 20s earn four million yen or more."

Another article:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/06/22/national/social-issues/nearly-40-of-single-japanese-not-interested-in-romance-survey/#.WVgFzOkjXIU

It seems that in this case, fewer and fewer Japanese are interested in becoming involved in a relationship. I remember in one Youtube video they state they strongly discourage High School students from dating as "it would distract them from their studies."

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What do you take of this?

http://www.dw.com/en/why-fewer-japanese-are-seeking-marriage/a-19349576

Quote from the article: "More than half of single women want their spouses to earn at least four million yen (33,794 euros, $38,270) a year," the report said. "Meanwhile, only 15.2 percent of single men in their 20s earn four million yen or more."

Another article:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/06/22/national/social-issues/nearly-40-of-single-japanese-not-interested-in-romance-survey/#.WVgFzOkjXIU

It seems that in this case, fewer and fewer Japanese are interested in becoming involved in a relationship. I remember in one Youtube video they state they strongly discourage High School students from dating as "it would distract them from their studies."

Maybe one day they'd be forced to encourage sex between teens w/o using contraceptives, as a desparate measure & last resort, & the state would raise their babies if they or their parents don't have the resources to do so. :lol:

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There’s no evidence to suggest that these dolls really help anybody, and experts are unconvinced. In fact, Johns Hopkins School of Medicine paraphilia researcher Peter Fagan told the Atlantic in 2016 that childlike sex dolls would likely lead would-be pedophiles to act upon their urges “with greater urgency.”

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https://news.vice.com/story/the-robot-sex-doll-revolution-may-have-some-big-downsides-experts-warn

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There’s no evidence to suggest that these dolls really help anybody, and experts are unconvinced. In fact, Johns Hopkins School of Medicine paraphilia researcher Peter Fagan told the Atlantic in 2016 that childlike sex dolls would likely lead would-be pedophiles to act upon their urges “with greater urgency.”


Oh my! Shocking! :grey: :grey:

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Would it still be illegal to have sex with a doll if she was factory produced more than 18 years ago and have papers confirming that? P-:

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 Post subject: Re: Japan's population in crisis
PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:48 am 
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Not sure if its a contributing factor or just a fad like ganjuro.


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 Post subject: Re: Japan's population in crisis
PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:16 am 
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^ I can't see the video, rgveda99! :neutral:

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 Post subject: Re: Japan's population in crisis
PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:35 am 
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Must be region locked. :grey:


Try these ones. It's about a fashion trend of being genderless. ^_^





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