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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:31 pm 
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MariaTenebre wrote:
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Same reason why Amara and Michelle had to be cousins, but it was A-okay for Rini to have a thing for future-father and flying horses.

Since all those three plot elements violate the teachings of the Bible, I think it warrants an academic study on why such situation occurred. lol

A lot of Christians are very selective on what they take from the Bible. I mentioned this on another thread but I knew this Sailor Moon fan who in her fanfic heterosexualized Haruka and Michiru and the reasons she did so according to her was her objection to homosexuality and yet she kept Rei being Shinto even though Rei being a Pagan according to her doctrine is just as evil as Haruka and Michiru being lesbians. It seemed like that it stemmed from her own personal prejudices.

However I know so many people like that I knew a former friend who told me that I deserved eternal torture for being a Pagan and yet he is also screwing around with a married woman.

Another example is my father. My father is very anti gay and religious but also extremely sexually promiscuous who has cheated on every woman he has been with, has tons of illegitimate children out of wedlock (I am his only legitimate child) and has Playboys and porn all over the house.

So the Biblical teachings are just their pretexts, & it's actually all about their own personal dislikes. lol

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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:39 pm 
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Of course Disney can demand no censorship to their films, but some random TV network? They don't stand a chance. Even if Toei themselves refused to let anyone mess with their works in such a manner, they'd stand to lose a ton of money. Neither one of them is an international media powerhouse like Disney, and Sailor Moon isn't a property on the level of Beauty and the Beast where most countries couldn't stand to not get.

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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:51 pm 
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I think it is somewhat both Rika. I don't think they would have this dislike of homosexuality were it not for their religion however their personal hatred of homosexuality stemming from this religion allows them to scapegoat homosexuals as the other and as such since they are perceived as different hate them more. I don't believe that had Christianity not taken over Europe and Islam the Middle East that homophobia would be nearly as much the problem as it is now but since they have and it is and since humans love to find a scapegoat to hate and to take the blame and attention off of them instead of looking at their own faults and trying to correct them, the Abrahamic hatred of LGBT people allows them to have a scapegoat and to hate a people for being different as a way to give them an enemy to focus their attentions on instead of looking inward at their own problems.

People don't just do this with gay people they have done this with all kinds of groups. The Nazi hatred of Jews for instance was a way to scapegoat them for Germany's problems instead of looking inward what can I say humans love their scapegoats.

I would also add that in a further catalogue of my father's depravity he also once contracted the clap from a dalliance with a Catholic Nun. However in spite all of the hideous things he has done I am somehow the bad guy for being trans and Pagan. See that is how the scapegoat works.

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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 12:06 am 
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I think it is somewhat both Rika. I don't think they would have this dislike of homosexuality were it not for their religion however their personal hatred of homosexuality stemming from this religion allows them to scapegoat homosexuals as the other and as such since they are perceived as different hate them more. I don't believe that had Christianity not taken over Europe and Islam the Middle East that homophobia would be nearly as much the problem as it is now but since they have and it is and since humans love to find a scapegoat to hate and to take the blame and attention off of them instead of looking at their own faults and trying to correct them, the Abrahamic hatred of LGBT people allows them to have a scapegoat and to hate a people for being different as a way to give them an enemy to focus their attentions on instead of looking inward at their own problems.

People don't just do this with gay people they have done this with all kinds of groups. The Nazi hatred of Jews for instance was a way to scapegoat them for Germany's problems instead of looking inward what can I say humans love their scapegoats.

I would also add that in a further catalogue of my father's depravity he also once contracted the clap from a dalliance with a Catholic Nun. However in spite all of the hideous things he has done I am somehow the bad guy for being trans and Pagan. See that is how the scapegoat works.
I think I know what you feel. I still remember when I was ☹ shamed and almost kicked out of my catholic school because I had sex with a married man.


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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:12 am 
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SignorinaTsukino wrote:
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I think it is somewhat both Rika. I don't think they would have this dislike of homosexuality were it not for their religion however their personal hatred of homosexuality stemming from this religion allows them to scapegoat homosexuals as the other and as such since they are perceived as different hate them more. I don't believe that had Christianity not taken over Europe and Islam the Middle East that homophobia would be nearly as much the problem as it is now but since they have and it is and since humans love to find a scapegoat to hate and to take the blame and attention off of them instead of looking at their own faults and trying to correct them, the Abrahamic hatred of LGBT people allows them to have a scapegoat and to hate a people for being different as a way to give them an enemy to focus their attentions on instead of looking inward at their own problems.

People don't just do this with gay people they have done this with all kinds of groups. The Nazi hatred of Jews for instance was a way to scapegoat them for Germany's problems instead of looking inward what can I say humans love their scapegoats.

I would also add that in a further catalogue of my father's depravity he also once contracted the clap from a dalliance with a Catholic Nun. However in spite all of the hideous things he has done I am somehow the bad guy for being trans and Pagan. See that is how the scapegoat works.
I think I know what you feel. I still remember when I was ☹ shamed and almost kicked out of my catholic school because I had sex with a married man.


You and the guy weren't right, but a school's role is to educate and not to shame young people.
Feel sorry for you and how they handled the situation. :(


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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:34 am 
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Seen2 wrote:
Of course Disney can demand no censorship to their films, but some random TV network? They don't stand a chance. Even if Toei themselves refused to let anyone mess with their works in such a manner, they'd stand to lose a ton of money. Neither one of them is an international media powerhouse like Disney, and Sailor Moon isn't a property on the level of Beauty and the Beast where most countries couldn't stand to not get.
The point is is that the success of BATB shows most ordinary people don't really care about LGBTQ content in media. Maybe it was a bigger deal in the 90s but I feel like most people don't care about it in media these days other than the networks and some political interest groups. If anything, the censorship seems to cause viewrds to support the uncensored even more like when the UK censored Steven Universe or when the gay kiss scene was censored in Doctor Who. Isn't all this talk about religion getting a bit off topic?


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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:01 pm 
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Um no i'm a Christian let me explain. Listen I understand you people were hurt. Christians are not supposed to hate anyone. Why sin is condemned in the bible. We're supposed to love the sinner and hate the sin. Like my family does not agree with homosexuality, and consider a sin. They still show respect to gay people. It's not a matter of not choosing which parts are good, and which parts are bad. Sin is sin another example having sex outside of marriage that is a sin too. Also were no perfect we know we still sin. The thing is supposed to ask Jesus for forgiveness and try to sin less. I know some people try to act their better than other 's a, and that is a shame.

Also i'm sorry if you were hurt by people who call themselves Christians . I really am , were supposed to love people, and not hate them. So I'm sorry. :sadeyes: :sadeyes: :sadeyes: :sadeyes: :sadeyes: :sadeyes: :sadeyes: :blue: :blue: :blue: :blue: :blue:


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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:48 pm 
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Aren't religion discussions against forum rules here?


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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 5:41 pm 
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However I know so many people like that I knew a former friend who told me that I deserved eternal torture for being a Pagan and yet he is also screwing around with a married woman.

They have a very good reason to accuse people like you: by doing so they can feel more self-righteous & better by placing themselves on the moral high ground, hence offsetting their unpleasant feelings of guilt arising from their own socially unacceptable behaviors. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:19 pm 
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Rika-Chicchi wrote:
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However I know so many people like that I knew a former friend who told me that I deserved eternal torture for being a Pagan and yet he is also screwing around with a married woman.

They have a very good reason to accuse people like you: by doing so they can feel more self-righteous & better by placing themselves on the moral high ground, hence offsetting their unpleasant feelings of guilt arising from their own socially unacceptable behaviors. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Sailor Moon Crystal in Portugal (Official / Toei)
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 10:59 pm 
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imaginationgirl wrote:
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However I know so many people like that I knew a former friend who told me that I deserved eternal torture for being a Pagan and yet he is also screwing around with a married woman.

They have a very good reason to accuse people like you: by doing so they can feel more self-righteous & better by placing themselves on the moral high ground, hence offsetting their unpleasant feelings of guilt arising from their own socially unacceptable behaviors. :)

Um Rikia that was Maria s quote

Wasn't aware of that in the pre-edited version of that post of yours. lol Anyway, my point in the above-quoted post still stands, only that it should be a reply to Maria instead of you. :)

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