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 Post subject: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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Title says it all, how would you handle Crystal.

Here's how I would handle Crystal:
Keep it 100% faithful to the manga, no cuts.
Bring back as much as the 90s cast as possible.

Add in homages to the 90s anime, PGSM, and Seramyu.

Add some filler episodes for character development and expand on things from the manga.

Hire Shoko Nakagawa to cover Moonlight Densetsu for the opening.

Once all 5 main story arcs are finished I'd have Codename Sailor V and the side stories adapted.

Have one consistent animation style for the animators to work with.

Air the show at 7pm on Saturdays in Japan just like the 90s anime.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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Neo Queen Serenity wrote:
Add some filler episodes for character development and expand on things from the manga.


I totally agree with this. ^_^

Make it 26 episodes per season.

The action will be like that of the R and SuperS films.

I'll go with A-1 Pictures for the animation studio.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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rgveda99 wrote:
Neo Queen Serenity wrote:
Add some filler episodes for character development and expand on things from the manga.


I totally agree with this. ^_^

Make it 26 episodes per season.

The action will be like that of the R and SuperS films.

I'll go with A-1 Pictures for the animation studio.


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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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I second this!!


One thing I miss is the magical alchemy done the right way. The combo magic in S3 doesn't make any sense except for Chain Wink Sword and Coconut Cyclone combo. Even PGSM did it right.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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I'll go with A-1 Pictures for the animation studio.


A-1 is terrible though, they're one of the reasons why Nanoha ViVid & Ace Attorney turned out so bad.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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I second this!!


One thing I miss is the magical alchemy done the right way. The combo magic in S3 doesn't make any sense except for Chain Wink Sword and Coconut Cyclone combo. Even PGSM did it right.


The attacks in Sailor Moon are never really given much explanation either way (and the term "magical alchemy" is never used to describe them, by the way) so there isn't any way of saying that it was "done right" or "done wrong" etc. Why is Wink Chain Sword okay, but Mercury Aqua Mirage isn't?

There are no clearly defined rules about their attacks/how they work, so it really comes across as self-righteous when you say they weren't "done the right way" in Crystal -- which implies they weren't "done the right way" in the manga since they come directly from the manga, and if the original material wasn't "done the right way" then what makes you think you know more than the author about her own fictional creation? :? :? :?

To get back on topic...

If I were in charge of Crystal, I would've given around 26 episodes for each story arc. It would remain extremely close to the manga, expand on things, etc. etc., basically almost everything you guys wrote above.

Likewise, I would have gathered the 90s cast once again. I'm sure even the retired voice actors could have been persuaded to reprise their roles.

I think it'd be interesting to see what Studio Khara would do if they were tasked with animating the show.

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I'll go with A-1 Pictures for the animation studio.


A-1 is terrible though, they're one of the reasons why Nanoha ViVid & Ace Attorney turned out so bad.


That's not fair. Lots of studios have hits and misses. A-1 also did Your Lie in April which looks fantastic...

Let me put it this way. Would you really prefer Toei over A-1?

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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Let's see now . . .

I'd love for Crystal to follow the manga's plot as closely as possible. I also want each season to have roughly around 20-30 episodes, all of the longer chapters having 2 or 3 episodes to expand on the SilMill, explain manga's plot holes, develop all characters/relationships. I would also like for the voice cast to be combination of 90's anime, Sera Myu, and PGSM. Kazuko Tadano, Masahiro Ando, Ikuko Itou, and Keiko Iwata as character designers. Yasuko Kobayashi as script writer. Junichi Sato and Chiaki Kon as directors.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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NJ_ wrote:
rgveda99 wrote:
I'll go with A-1 Pictures for the animation studio.


A-1 is terrible though, they're one of the reasons why Nanoha ViVid & Ace Attorney turned out so bad.


I've never seen their work on those. I do love their work on Your Lie In April, Grimgar Fantasy and Ash and Ultimate Otaku Teacher. ^_^

The next one on my list is Kyoto Animation. =^_^=

The only reference I have is Free! and I don't even like sports anime.

I would love to see them reanimate :ami: and :mihiru:'s swimming match.



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.............. Masahiro Ando, Ikuko Itou, and Keiko Iwata as character designers. Yasuko Kobayashi as script writer. Junichi Sato and Chiaki Kon as directors.


That's an elite team you have there Usagi-Fifth-Doctor.

I'm surprised you also like Mr. Ando's character designs cause I like it too.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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I'll be realistic and say that I don't want to send the animation out to a major studio like A-1 or Ufotable (though that could be amazing). I'd rather it go back to a studio that Toei has actually worked with for Crystal - Studio Wish. They handled the first half of episode 21 from the Black Moon arc - the one with the outrageously gorgeous Neo-Queen Serenity scenes. If the films could look that good it'd be amazing. :innocent:


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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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There are a ton of things I would do if I could do my own Sailor Moon adaptation, but if I were in charge of Crystal, I wouldn't do most of them because I'd respect what Crystal was meant to be: a faithful adaptation of the manga. That's what I'd deliver.

I'd assemble a team of the most talented and passionate people I could find and then spend the time and money it would take to do a faithful adaptation of the manga right. I'd follow Naoko's character designs as much as possible (i.e. I'd go with whatever designs she used the most). Wherever there was something unclear, or contradictory, or otherwise problematic, I'd consult with Naoko on how expand upon or address the issue. I wouldn't replicate the 90s anime or PGSM at all. All attacks, all transformations would be original (and 2D!). I'd create beautiful, elaborate stock footage for the attacks, transformations, and speeches to be used when appropriate, and employ real time attacks/transformations the rest of the time. For the sake of pacing or coherence, I might rearrange or merge certain scenes, but I wouldn't omit anything, not even the Uranus/Moon kiss (even though I hate it); rather I'd work with Naoko to expand upon it - delve into Haruka's feelings/motivations, her relationship with Michiru, how Michiru reacts to the kiss, etc. To allow for everything in the manga to be kept and explored thoughtfully but without veering too far off-course or delving into filler territory, I would do each arc in about 16 episodes, 20 at absolute most if the source material warranted it. And I would adapt all the side stories as in-season episodes as much as possible (rather than as specials).

In short, if I were in charge of Crystal, I would have delivered what Crystal promised us: a mature, beautiful, loving, faithful adaptation of an iconic manga.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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Another thing I'll add would be the elemental flight tail (from the opening) when the sailors fly. :grouphug: Sadly the concept didn't make it in the show for budget and deadline reasons.

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All attacks, all transformations would be original (and 2D!).


I never really understand why some directors add 3D in the mix.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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Honestly, I wouldn't do that many changes.

I keep the plot 100% accurate to the manga, but I would add filler episodes in order for there to be more character development and breathing room. I'd also have done the S3 art style from the start, since I feel that visually works a lot better than the art style Toei used for the first two seasons.

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All attacks, all transformations would be original (and 2D!).


I never really understand why some directors add 3D in the mix.

Because it looks 'cool' except for the part where Japanese animation is pretty low-budget so the CGI sticks out like a sore thumb lol.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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If I were 100% in charge of Crystal, I would make several changes.

First, I would get TOEI and Naoko Takeuchi completely out of the picture. Please go away, both of you.

Then, I would hire Nanase Ohkawa (from CLAMP) to write the screenplay of each episode. I would give her explicit instructions to create a completely reimagined version of the manga. Oh, and I would also hire Nobutero Yuki as the artistic director.

Finally, under my control, Production I.G. would be in charge of the animation.

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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If I were 100% in charge of Crystal, I would make several changes.

First, I would get TOEI and Naoko Takeuchi completely out of the picture. Please go away, both of you.


ROTFLMBO!!!! @ this. Hilarious.


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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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First, I would get TOEI and Naoko Takeuchi completely out of the picture. Please go away, both of you.


:question: And how many cars do you plan to bribe them? :question:

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First, I would get TOEI and Naoko Takeuchi completely out of the picture. Please go away, both of you.


:question: And how many cars do you plan to bribe them? :question:


if I am in charge of Crystal, I do not have to bribe anyone; I do whatever I want with it.

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if I am in charge of Crystal, I do not have to bribe anyone; I do whatever I want with it.


Good luck. :innocent:

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Title says it all, how would you handle Crystal.

Here's how I would handle Crystal:
Keep it 100% faithful to the manga, no cuts.
Bring back as much as the 90s cast as possible.

Add in homages to the 90s anime, PGSM, and Seramyu.

Add some filler episodes for character development and expand on things from the manga.

Hire Shoko Nakagawa to cover Moonlight Densetsu for the opening.

Once all 5 main story arcs are finished I'd have Codename Sailor V and the side stories adapted.

Have one consistent animation style for the animators to work with.

Air the show at 7pm on Saturdays in Japan just like the 90s anime.



id do this too except id actually make the girls look like girls and not orangutans in skirts XD.

make it so the girls arnt so easily defeated seriously Tux could throw a rose and the wind from it hitting the ground would send them flying

make the senshi stop fan girling over Usagi

keep the humor in

id bring in the whole OG cast as well

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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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I don't know why many people want the original voice actors come back. Are new voice actors not good enough?
To be honest, I couldn't bear the voice in the old anime (as well as Kotono's old voice) anymore.

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I don't know why many people want the original voice actors come back. Are new voice actors not good enough?
To be honest, I couldn't bear the voice in the old anime (as well as Kotono's old voice) anymore.


Just have to agree to disagree here. :)

For many of us, the 90s voice actors are iconic and they've all had successful careers. When I read the manga, I hear the voices from the 90s anime (in Japanese of course).

Some of the new voice actors (like Crystal Makoto and Crystal Haruka) are fine, but others (Crystal Ami, Crystal Rei, Crystal Minako) just sound too similar to each other -- at least to my ear.

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I would certainly adapt the chapters from the manga but possibly with some inovation here and there. Beef up the fight scenes similar to the fight with the cat daimon in the third season. I would also work in all of the side stories right in the seasons themselves. Most of them could fit in cannon with only a little tweaking. I think I would also try to flesh out the SenshiXShitenneou paring and really explore it. I hated the way Crystal killed the Generals off and then the girls got over with just a cry. Actually maybe they wouldn't all be in love with each other but they would be friends. Possibly they bonded and formed close relationships with each other in the past while trying to watch over the Prince and Princess. Either way, I would explore the tragedy of the Shitenneou dying and the friendship/relationship being lost again.

I would try my best to explore the pasts of the Senshi as well, especially the Outers. Maybe a filler episode around Uranus and Neptune awakening. I also like the idea of keeping the side characters alive even if they have only short scenes here and there.

So in a nutshell, keep the show faithful to the manga but not woodenly so. Look for places to faithfully expand and enjoy the story


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 Post subject: Re: If you were in charge of Crystal.
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Start first with a prequel. Anything goes so as long as the audience can connect the dots.

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Start first with a prequel. Anything goes so as long as the audience can connect the dots.


A prequel is a great idea!

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rgveda99 wrote:
Start first with a prequel. Anything goes so as long as the audience can connect the dots.


A prequel is a great idea!


Yes. =^_^=

A Silver Millenium chapter to start of things would be most awesome. :cool:

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rgveda99 wrote:
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Start first with a prequel. Anything goes so as long as the audience can connect the dots.


A prequel is a great idea!


Yes. =^_^=

A Silver Millenium chapter to start of things would be most awesome. :cool:


I don't think so. The DiC dub did something like that and it ruined the suspense of the episodes to follow.


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... I would make 2 - 3 movies for each arc, 2-D transformation scenes, 60% are real time attacks. Each movie will be splited into segments, that will be "acts". For example: Sailor Moon Crystal - Dark Kingdom I - (Act 1, Act 2, Act 3...). Each act will have different length (variate from 15 to 24 minutes), but each movie will be 110 - 120 minute long. DVD watchers can jump from this act to next act, just like they did with manga.

Dark Kingdom I (act 1 ~ 5), Dark Kingdom II (act 6 ~ 10), Dark Kingdom III (act 11 ~ 14).
Black Moon I (act 15 ~ 18), Black Moon II (act 19 ~ 22), Black Moon III (act 23 ~ 26)
Death Busters I (act 27 ~ act 30), Death Busters II (act 31 ~ act 33), Death Busters III (act 34 ~ act 38)
Dead Moon I (act 39 ~ act 43), Dead Moon II (act 44 ~ act 49)
Stars I (act 50 ~ act 55), Stars II (act 56 ~ 60)

And then 3 movies of Sailor Cosmos and Where to Find Her. =^_^= =^_^= =^_^=

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I don't think so. The DiC dub did something like that and it ruined the suspense of the episodes to follow.


Well its not gonna be DIC who will be writing it. =^_^=

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rgveda99 wrote:
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I'll go with A-1 Pictures for the animation studio.


A-1 is terrible though, they're one of the reasons why Nanoha ViVid & Ace Attorney turned out so bad.


I've never seen their work on those. I do love their work on Your Lie In April, Grimgar Fantasy and Ash and Ultimate Otaku Teacher. ^_^

The next one on my list is Kyoto Animation. =^_^=

The only reference I have is Free! and I don't even like sports anime.

I would love to see them reanimate :ami: and :mihiru:'s swimming match.



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.............. Masahiro Ando, Ikuko Itou, and Keiko Iwata as character designers. Yasuko Kobayashi as script writer. Junichi Sato and Chiaki Kon as directors.


That's an elite team you have there Usagi-Fifth-Doctor.

I'm surprised you also like Mr. Ando's character designs cause I like it too.



^ Ando isn't as bad as the fandom makes out to be.

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^ Ando isn't as bad as the fandom makes out to be.


I like his character designs. They look cute and well animated.

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doctorwho29 wrote:
I don't think so. The DiC dub did something like that and it ruined the suspense of the episodes to follow.


Well its not gonna be DIC who will be writing it. =^_^=

If given to a great writer and director any bad idea can turn good.


I just don't see why we need a prequel scene or series or whatever. Just jump into Usagi and the others and let the backstory unfold. That sort of story telling works.


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