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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:02 pm 
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Keep in mind: male genitalia is off-limits to Hollywood films. You can get a full-frontal of a woman and get an R rating, but show a man's penis and instead you get an NC-17, even if it's not in a sexual context.


Unless it's a film with Kevin Bacon that is. :roll:

*looks at Wild Things & Hollow Man which were rated R*


Just a quick, off topic question, but wasn't Neve Campbell seen nude in Wild Things? I've been a huge fan of her ever since I got into the Scream movies last year! 8) She's one of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen!

Speaking of male nudity, I'm surprised Dragon Ball hasn't gotten off worse than it has considering it had quite a bit (in addition to some female nudity as well). Granted, all the male nudity involves pre-pubescent males, but... wait... shouldn't that make it WORSE? I guess Japan just doesn't care about naked cartoon boys. Still, I'm surprised uncut DBZ has squeezed by with a TV-PG rating with it... I'm also surprised Sailor Moon's "barbie doll" nudity hasn't met with more controversy than it has (the English dub actually created full-on female nudity by making FishEye a woman). Revolutionary Girl Utena: The Movie would be considered almost mildly pornographic by North American standards.


Toei actually covered up all the male pre-pubescent nudity as well as gorey violence (The hole in Goku's chest after fighting Radditz, Trunks slicing and dicing Freeza, etc) in DB Kai, so it looks like Japan's censorship has gotten stricter since 1990.

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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:13 am 
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PurpleWarrior13 wrote:
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Keep in mind: male genitalia is off-limits to Hollywood films. You can get a full-frontal of a woman and get an R rating, but show a man's penis and instead you get an NC-17, even if it's not in a sexual context.


Unless it's a film with Kevin Bacon that is. :roll:

*looks at Wild Things & Hollow Man which were rated R*


Just a quick, off topic question, but wasn't Neve Campbell seen nude in Wild Things? I've been a huge fan of her ever since I got into the Scream movies last year! 8) She's one of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen!


Yeah, she was nude but unlike with Denise Richards, Neve's back was only shown in both scenes (or in one scene if you look at the theatrical version & not the Unrated one).

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Speaking of male nudity, I'm surprised Dragon Ball hasn't gotten off worse than it has considering it had quite a bit (in addition to some female nudity as well). Granted, all the male nudity involves pre-pubescent males, but... wait... shouldn't that make it WORSE? I guess Japan just doesn't care about naked cartoon boys. Still, I'm surprised uncut DBZ has squeezed by with a TV-PG rating with it... I'm also surprised Sailor Moon's "barbie doll" nudity hasn't met with more controversy than it has (the English dub actually created full-on female nudity by making FishEye a woman). Revolutionary Girl Utena: The Movie would be considered almost mildly pornographic by North American standards.


Toei actually covered up all the male pre-pubescent nudity as well as gorey violence (The hole in Goku's chest after fighting Radditz, Trunks slicing and dicing Freeza, etc) in DB Kai, so it looks like Japan's censorship has gotten stricter since 1990.


If that was true then this piece of garbage would never have gotten an anime adaptation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4EYIrZ2TLQ

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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
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Toei actually covered up all the male pre-pubescent nudity as well as gorey violence (The hole in Goku's chest after fighting Radditz, Trunks slicing and dicing Freeza, etc) in DB Kai, so it looks like Japan's censorship has gotten stricter since 1990.


Yeah, I noticed that... some of the MANY reasons to avoid Kai like the plague...

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If that was true then this piece of garbage would never have gotten an anime adaptation.


It must've gotten a less strict timeslot. :P DBZ Kai was Saturday mornings in Japan (just like the American Toonzai broadcast).


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Guess I could do it... if I have any spare time on my hands.

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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
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PurpleWarrior13 wrote:
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Toei actually covered up all the male pre-pubescent nudity as well as gorey violence (The hole in Goku's chest after fighting Radditz, Trunks slicing and dicing Freeza, etc) in DB Kai, so it looks like Japan's censorship has gotten stricter since 1990.


Yeah, I noticed that... some of the MANY reasons to avoid Kai like the plague...


I honestly don't mind the censorship in Kai, since I thought many of the scenes that were edited were pretty over the top in shock value originally anyway.

What matters to me was that the story was preserved.

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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
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Well, the censorship in Kai was needed. It's not like Toei wanted to do it. Besides, there wasn't a whole lot of it anyway, save for the massive holes in Raditz and Goku, middle fingers, nudity, and whatnot. Japanese television has simply gotten stricter.

And I agree with Yen, I don't care about the censorship. I mean, if you don't like Toei's censorship, you'll be surprised at what the CW has done.

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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
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Well, the censorship in Kai was needed. It's not like Toei wanted to do it. Besides, there wasn't a whole lot of it anyway, save for the massive holes in Raditz and Goku, middle fingers, nudity, and whatnot. Japanese television has simply gotten stricter.

And I agree with Yen, I don't care about the censorship. I mean, if you don't like Toei's censorship, you'll be surprised at what the CW has done.
Didn't Nicktoons do "some" bit of censorship too?

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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
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They did, mostly blood-censorship, but it doesn't bother me. Toei did a lot of that as well, but the Nicktoons broadcast did more. Then there's the dialogue censorship omitting all death references, which is totally ridiculous. But that WAS a dub thing.

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DBZ Kai was Saturday mornings in Japan (just like the American Toonzai broadcast).

By the way, it was Sunday mornings, not Saturday.

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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
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The Nicktoons Edit was pretty much perfect in my eyes. It took out enough to get on TV, but it was still a faithful dub.

Plus, they let Vegeta say "Hell" in movie 12.

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The one thing about the Nicktoons (and CW, for that matter) edit I cannot stand are the shortening of the opening theme and the usually omitted ending theme.

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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
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GotenDaisuki wrote:
The one thing about the Nicktoons (and CW, for that matter) edit I cannot stand are the shortening of the opening theme and the usually omitted ending theme.


That was for time reasons. Had they included them both in full they would have had to cut more or the actual show out to make room for commercial breaks.

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The one thing about the Nicktoons (and CW, for that matter) edit I cannot stand are the shortening of the opening theme and the usually omitted ending theme.


That was for time reasons. Had they included them both in full they would have had to cut more or the actual show out to make room for commercial breaks.



Another decision that I whole-heartedly agree with.

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They did, mostly blood-censorship, but it doesn't bother me. Toei did a lot of that as well, but the Nicktoons broadcast did more. Then there's the dialogue censorship omitting all death references, which is totally ridiculous. But that WAS a dub thing.
They didn't completely omit death. They just sorta skimmed around actually saying the words "death/dead/die/died/kill/killed/Hell/etc." Though, in one episode recap, Krillin most explicitly says to Vegeta, "You killed my friends!" in a Nicktoons-aired episode. And, King Yemma said "Heaven" when speaking to Goku and Kami, so that at least got permitted.

I think the one death that was outright removed was the truck driver Vegeta killed when he blasted Number 18. The dub added the line, "Dude, my truck!" to make it seem like only the truck was destoryed while the driver survived, obscured by the smoke. And, frankly, I thought it was funny. :lol:

But, for FUNi to KEEP that edit on the UNCUT DVDs, however, that was not funny. :|

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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
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Nicktoons did leave in "Hell" for Fusion Reborn and Bio Broly. Though I wasn't happy with their edits to Bardock: The Father of Goku. One, they used the old version of the English dub (with old narration, and Chris Sabat as Nappa) before certain elements were redubbed for the remastered re-release. They also clumsily replaced insert songs FUNi no longer had the rights to with generic Faulconer/Menza/Johnson music, including the credits. They also censored some pretty ridiculous stuff and took out random bits of dialogue. The whole thing felt condensed.

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But, for FUNi to KEEP that edit on the UNCUT DVDs, however, that was not funny.


Don't forget about that error with Dende talking about his "brothers and sisters" when Namekians are technically asexual (some people see them as a total male race, either way, that line is incorrect), and Sabat promising people it would be fixed... never happened! Aside from that, a couple "TV edit" lines did make it onto the DVDs, but nothing TOO distracting...


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 Post subject: Re: Licensing rights/issues finally explained via Mexico
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Yeah, that was APPALING. And all the QC errors regarding the DVDs could have very well be fixed with future printings, too.

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