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Re: Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys sexism in Anime?
Consider at the time in the 90's most shows were stock full of male characters, and only had ONE token female character. And those shows were meant to be gender neutral. Were Sailor Moon's target audience has been female, even if it did manage to gather just as many male viewers.
Consider at the time in the 90's most shows were stock full of male characters, and only had ONE token female character. And those shows were meant to be gender neutral. Were Sailor Moon's target audience has been female, even if it did manage to gather just as many male viewers.
Re: Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys sexism in Anime?
...which is so not the point in this discussion.
One thing that people need to remember is that this show is for young girls. Maybe adult males like it, but you're not the target audience. It isn't meant to cater to you, it's meant to cater to little girls who want to see girls doing awesome things.
If you want to see shows with guys doing awesome things, there are about a million other shows out there ready and waiting for you. It isn't like the males in this series can't do awesome things, they just aren't on screen as often as the girls, because the target audience wasn't as interested in them. And that's why there's the whole romantic ideal thing going on, because again, catering to little girls. That's not "sexism", people, any more than it's "sexist" that the main characters in My Little Pony are all female.
Rika-Chicchi said:
BTW, as I've said here in the past, actually male warriors can wear short skirts & look cool & manly, like the Roman warriors/generals/soldiers. 
One thing that people need to remember is that this show is for young girls. Maybe adult males like it, but you're not the target audience. It isn't meant to cater to you, it's meant to cater to little girls who want to see girls doing awesome things.
If you want to see shows with guys doing awesome things, there are about a million other shows out there ready and waiting for you. It isn't like the males in this series can't do awesome things, they just aren't on screen as often as the girls, because the target audience wasn't as interested in them. And that's why there's the whole romantic ideal thing going on, because again, catering to little girls. That's not "sexism", people, any more than it's "sexist" that the main characters in My Little Pony are all female.
Re: Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys sexism in Anime?
...which is so not the point in this discussion.
That's why I said "BTW" - it wasn't meant to be a point in this discussion in the 1st place. 
But MLP is "speciesist" against humans & other species.
Kerochan no Miko said:
Rika-Chicchi said:
BTW, as I've said here in the past, actually male warriors can wear short skirts & look cool & manly, like the Roman warriors/generals/soldiers.
But MLP is "speciesist" against humans & other species.
Kerochan no Miko said:
Rika-Chicchi said:
That's why I said "BTW" - it wasn't meant to be a point in this discussion in the 1st place.
- if you insist to have an answer, that's my attempt to "lighten" this thread a bit (not sure whether it could, tho, but I certainly hope so 
).
I'm no passionate feminist and I don't mind seeing feminine girls or manly men who like to do "girl stuff" or "man stuff", but sometimes this "I can't let you do it, you are a woman and you are weak" sort of gets to me, not in a highly emotional level but anyway. It's one thing telling to an actually weak or frail girl that "yes, I will protect you" and another telling a girl who is perfectly capable of taking care of herself "you're a woman and I will protect you you want it or not".
Zoisite said:
Someone in the thread is coming off as a grumpy woman past her prime. 
(not Usapon)
(not Usapon)
I don't really get it... I mean, sure, girls in the series are definitely girls, and men are definitely men (Haruka is a bug in the matrix). But how is that anything so special that it needs to be particularly enjoyed? Are there many shows that have much less clear gender roles?
Mystery Mask said:
Zoisite said:
Someone in the thread is coming off as a grumpy woman past her prime. (not Usapon)
(not Usapon)
I don't really get it... I mean, sure, girls in the series are definitely girls, and men are definitely men (Haruka is a bug in the matrix). But how is that anything so special that it needs to be particularly enjoyed? Are there many shows that have much less clear gender roles?
Re: Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys sexism in Anime?
I realize that, and it makes sense. Like I said, it just depends on what degree people read into it. I love the show how it is.
Well...like, it can be thought of as giving the character depth for one thing. Should traditional gender roles be applied to every single female and or male in the show? No, but small things here and there are okay. Whats wrong with Makoto being well at cooking and such as long as she wants to be? It's also a way just to create balance in general. If every single character went against the old fashioned gender roles, then we wouldn't have anything to compare it to in the show. An analogy I can think of as an example is this:
If Usagi was independent, focused, strong, and did not need any help, then Rei would not be as well recognized for those qualities. However, Usagi isn't great at cooking or keeping things organized like some would expect if going by traditional gender roles either. She is well balanced between the traditional gender roles and modern society. I think that's what makes a lot of characters relate-able in this, really. As individuals we all have quirks to us, some that go with and some that go against traditional thinking. Well, I know I do anyway. That's what makes me appreciate it so much. The characters in this can't be defined as one or the other, they each have a balance that makes their personalities seem realistic.
I realize that, and it makes sense. Like I said, it just depends on what degree people read into it. I love the show how it is.
Well...like, it can be thought of as giving the character depth for one thing. Should traditional gender roles be applied to every single female and or male in the show? No, but small things here and there are okay. Whats wrong with Makoto being well at cooking and such as long as she wants to be? It's also a way just to create balance in general. If every single character went against the old fashioned gender roles, then we wouldn't have anything to compare it to in the show. An analogy I can think of as an example is this:
If Usagi was independent, focused, strong, and did not need any help, then Rei would not be as well recognized for those qualities. However, Usagi isn't great at cooking or keeping things organized like some would expect if going by traditional gender roles either. She is well balanced between the traditional gender roles and modern society. I think that's what makes a lot of characters relate-able in this, really. As individuals we all have quirks to us, some that go with and some that go against traditional thinking. Well, I know I do anyway. That's what makes me appreciate it so much. The characters in this can't be defined as one or the other, they each have a balance that makes their personalities seem realistic.
I like that Mako indulges in traditional masculine traits, while having traditional feminine qualities. One of the reasons she's my favorite character. Not a fan of at least in one episode of the S season she mentioned that that she was consciously seeking out to be more feminine. But that's more a commentary on Japanese society than anything.
An argument can be made of inherent sexism that Tuxedo Mask almost always has to save Sailor Moon's ass, but the show has also allowed Moon to save Tuxedo quite a bit. And you can argue that her having to save him at the end of the first season, was part of her development.
An argument can be made of inherent sexism that Tuxedo Mask almost always has to save Sailor Moon's ass, but the show has also allowed Moon to save Tuxedo quite a bit. And you can argue that her having to save him at the end of the first season, was part of her development.