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No remember, King Endymion said they “mutated” into a new race as soon as they arrived on Nemesis. The Black Crystal/Wiseman was only introduced to this newest generation through Demande, it feels like you’re conflating manga canon here? Cause remember it’s in the manga where their powers were given to them by Wiseman via the Black Crystal.
The Black Crystal certainly amplified their powers and made them stronger, but we’re given no reason to believe stuff like their teleportation/levitation abilities and 3rd eye hypnosis wasn’t something they were already born with.
And the proof I have for certain that their powers aren’t from the Black Crystal in the 90’s anime and that’s just the way they were born? Look at Saphir, he doesn’t wear the earrings and he’s still seen teleporting all over the place.
The Black Crystal certainly amplified their powers and made them stronger, but we’re given no reason to believe stuff like their teleportation/levitation abilities and 3rd eye hypnosis wasn’t something they were already born with.
And the proof I have for certain that their powers aren’t from the Black Crystal in the 90’s anime and that’s just the way they were born? Look at Saphir, he doesn’t wear the earrings and he’s still seen teleporting all over the place.
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Exactly! And this isn’t meant to insinuate that the 90’s anime was intentionally trying to make NQS and King Endymion come off as racists or promote racial purity but you can’t deny that’s certainly how it ended up coming off with how sloppy and vague the writing around the Clan’s lore is.
When I pointed this out this wasn’t me trying to condemn and smear the 90’s anime for racist storytelling, rather I was simply pointing out the discrepancies in writing the 90’s anime has at times that can result in especially problematic framing like this that - for all it’s own writing faults - the manga at least doesn’t have in comparison.
Like at least in the Manga the BMC are portrayed as unequivocally the bad guys (as interesting an ethical dilemma regarding the question of immortality they bring up is) while Crystal Tokyo are the good guys. Meanwhile the 90’s anime’s attempt at making the BMC sympathetic with more shades of grey while simultaneously still continuing to prop up Usagi and co as the heroes without critically examining the decisions they made in regards to the BMC comes off as tone deaf at best…
I may prefer the 90’s anime BMC as characters (except Rubeus who I prefer in the Manga/Crystal) but the implications of their circumstances and how they’re meant to come to “redemption” is certainly much worser writing compared to the manga which at the very least remains consistent and doesn’t promote bad messages to kids.
When I pointed this out this wasn’t me trying to condemn and smear the 90’s anime for racist storytelling, rather I was simply pointing out the discrepancies in writing the 90’s anime has at times that can result in especially problematic framing like this that - for all it’s own writing faults - the manga at least doesn’t have in comparison.
Like at least in the Manga the BMC are portrayed as unequivocally the bad guys (as interesting an ethical dilemma regarding the question of immortality they bring up is) while Crystal Tokyo are the good guys. Meanwhile the 90’s anime’s attempt at making the BMC sympathetic with more shades of grey while simultaneously still continuing to prop up Usagi and co as the heroes without critically examining the decisions they made in regards to the BMC comes off as tone deaf at best…
I may prefer the 90’s anime BMC as characters (except Rubeus who I prefer in the Manga/Crystal) but the implications of their circumstances and how they’re meant to come to “redemption” is certainly much worser writing compared to the manga which at the very least remains consistent and doesn’t promote bad messages to kids.
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It was weird , Koan did not need to be normal.She just needed to change.I guess they just wanted excuse to use the silver crystal.I don't think it a a bad message, but the way they handle made bit awkward. While I like some charazation in the 90s anime.I personally think the manga handle the future plot better.
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Tsundereshipper the only one who sees the Black Moon Clan as a separate race is you. Nothing is to suggest that they were anything but humans and that their ancestors fled to escape their crimes of terrorism. Your idea that Neo Queen Serenity and King Endymion are evil racists is just your own bad fic deconstructionism. It is pure anti fan badfic.
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I don't tsundenshipper is saying that Neo queen or Endymon is racist. I think they are trying to say its weird for them to have them changed by purified by the solver crystal make them human.I don't think it's race, itsjustaweirdchoice.
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Maybe their ancestors were human, maybe not, we’ll never know and I would argue that’s an inherent problem to begin with the writing.
But okay for the sake of argument let’s assume they were human, that they were just petty criminals and the forced “purification/cleansing” they had to undergo had nothing to do with race and was more just a metaphor for “removing the evil in their hearts” or some such - fine, that’s reasonable.
The fact of the matter remains though that this current generation of the BMC who we see in R are very much not human, they’ve mutated into an entirely new form with innate supernatural powers as explained by King Endymion. Is their non-humanness because they’re the direct descendants of non-humans themselves or because of Nemesis’s environment?
We don’t know, but I would argue it doesn’t matter because the fact still remains that the BMC were born with their powers rather than temporarily borrowing them like we see of all other human victims turned monster in the 90’s anime universe (excepting the Rainbow Crystal carriers of course) - this is something that is a natural part of who they are, and they’re basically being blackmailed into giving up this inherent biology by becoming “normal” - indirectly signaling to both them and the audience that these powers they were born with and the blood that runs through their veins is shameful and is something that needs to be “corrected” and remember this is NOT a voluntary choice on their part either, their stated mission goal was never to “reclaim/migrate back to Earth while simultaneously turning back into regular humans in the process.”
That last part was never part of their MO but simply a condition enforced on them by the Senshi, they never gave any indication otherwise that their unusually mutated forms or special powers was something that bothered them or that they would like to be rid of.
Maybe it’s not exactly “racist” but I’m sorry, I don’t see how this doesn’t inevitably lend itself to a prejudiced/discriminatory reading.
Also being a fan while engaging with your media critically aren’t mutually exclusive. Just because you’re not blindly worshipping a piece of fiction and are critiquing it’s writing quality doesn’t automatically make you an “anti fan.” You can still very much be a “true fan” (God, just that very concept makes me roll my eyes at how cringe it is…) while acknowledging a work’s flaws and problematic messaging. After all, no piece of art is perfect or exempt from criticism, that’s virtually impossible simply on account of art being created by humans who are messy and imperfect beings that constantly make mistakes by nature.
Even Shakespeare and other so-called great “literary classics” are subject to criticism, no piece of work is flawless.
But okay for the sake of argument let’s assume they were human, that they were just petty criminals and the forced “purification/cleansing” they had to undergo had nothing to do with race and was more just a metaphor for “removing the evil in their hearts” or some such - fine, that’s reasonable.
The fact of the matter remains though that this current generation of the BMC who we see in R are very much not human, they’ve mutated into an entirely new form with innate supernatural powers as explained by King Endymion. Is their non-humanness because they’re the direct descendants of non-humans themselves or because of Nemesis’s environment?
We don’t know, but I would argue it doesn’t matter because the fact still remains that the BMC were born with their powers rather than temporarily borrowing them like we see of all other human victims turned monster in the 90’s anime universe (excepting the Rainbow Crystal carriers of course) - this is something that is a natural part of who they are, and they’re basically being blackmailed into giving up this inherent biology by becoming “normal” - indirectly signaling to both them and the audience that these powers they were born with and the blood that runs through their veins is shameful and is something that needs to be “corrected” and remember this is NOT a voluntary choice on their part either, their stated mission goal was never to “reclaim/migrate back to Earth while simultaneously turning back into regular humans in the process.”
That last part was never part of their MO but simply a condition enforced on them by the Senshi, they never gave any indication otherwise that their unusually mutated forms or special powers was something that bothered them or that they would like to be rid of.
Maybe it’s not exactly “racist” but I’m sorry, I don’t see how this doesn’t inevitably lend itself to a prejudiced/discriminatory reading.
Also being a fan while engaging with your media critically aren’t mutually exclusive. Just because you’re not blindly worshipping a piece of fiction and are critiquing it’s writing quality doesn’t automatically make you an “anti fan.” You can still very much be a “true fan” (God, just that very concept makes me roll my eyes at how cringe it is…) while acknowledging a work’s flaws and problematic messaging. After all, no piece of art is perfect or exempt from criticism, that’s virtually impossible simply on account of art being created by humans who are messy and imperfect beings that constantly make mistakes by nature.
Even Shakespeare and other so-called great “literary classics” are subject to criticism, no piece of work is flawless.
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Tsundereshipper the Black Moon Clan as well as their ancestors were never stated to be anything but human. The whole idea of them being persecuted racial minorities is something you got in your head because you perceived their ancestors as non human because they were depicted as shadowed when in fact they were shown even wearing normal clothes.
We also don't know if the Black Moon Clan were born with their powers or gained them through training. Their ancestors certainly did so by engaging in malevolent magic and so too did their descendants. By being purified they were purified of the more malevolent magic that was corrupting them.
In fact had they decided to reunite with the humans as they wanted to before Wiseman met them they have not needed any purification. In fact I would argue they may have not had the powers they had in the same capacity till they meant Wiseman.
Likewise your idea of them all being Yokai from the Feudal Era is nonsense because guess what not all Yokai from the times of the Feudal Era onward are considered malevolent. Some are actually considered benevolent and something you would want around and are not feared. So no person in Japan that believes on Yokai would want them all eradicated because they aren't all evil.
Honestly your idea that Yokai and supernatural creatures would be persecuted ironically in a Kingdom of a powerful Supernatural Moon Goddess Queen is nonsense because in your very Christian understanding of these creatures you see them as demons and all demons as evil and in Japan they don't think all Yokai or all Demons are evil. Some are actually good and helpful.
Again your ideas show you to be an anti fan the fact that you would consider Usagi an evil dictator persecuting a racial minority shows you are as much a anti fan as the far leftists running comics like Marvel and DC that have Captain America hailing Hydra. Again your idea of them being a persecuted minority comes from your own willful misunderstanding of them as well as your far leftist politics that sees all "underdogs" as virtuous victims. Add in a racial component and you have the exact Black Moon Clan story I wrote in my parody post if a woke anti fan wrote the series. Again once you start painting the Black Moon Clan as persecuted racial victims and Neo Queen Serenity as Hitler you are nothing but a anti fan.
We also don't know if the Black Moon Clan were born with their powers or gained them through training. Their ancestors certainly did so by engaging in malevolent magic and so too did their descendants. By being purified they were purified of the more malevolent magic that was corrupting them.
In fact had they decided to reunite with the humans as they wanted to before Wiseman met them they have not needed any purification. In fact I would argue they may have not had the powers they had in the same capacity till they meant Wiseman.
Likewise your idea of them all being Yokai from the Feudal Era is nonsense because guess what not all Yokai from the times of the Feudal Era onward are considered malevolent. Some are actually considered benevolent and something you would want around and are not feared. So no person in Japan that believes on Yokai would want them all eradicated because they aren't all evil.
Honestly your idea that Yokai and supernatural creatures would be persecuted ironically in a Kingdom of a powerful Supernatural Moon Goddess Queen is nonsense because in your very Christian understanding of these creatures you see them as demons and all demons as evil and in Japan they don't think all Yokai or all Demons are evil. Some are actually good and helpful.
Again your ideas show you to be an anti fan the fact that you would consider Usagi an evil dictator persecuting a racial minority shows you are as much a anti fan as the far leftists running comics like Marvel and DC that have Captain America hailing Hydra. Again your idea of them being a persecuted minority comes from your own willful misunderstanding of them as well as your far leftist politics that sees all "underdogs" as virtuous victims. Add in a racial component and you have the exact Black Moon Clan story I wrote in my parody post if a woke anti fan wrote the series. Again once you start painting the Black Moon Clan as persecuted racial victims and Neo Queen Serenity as Hitler you are nothing but a anti fan.
That, but also because the current Gen all had strange powers and features that regular humans don’t have, and unlike the manga it was never said these powers/features were given to them by Wiseman or the Black Crystal.
And no the shadowy monsters I was referring to in the flashback weren’t wearing clothes at all, rewatch that scene again. You’re thinking of the shadows of the current BMC who were shown right after, I’m talking about the depiction of their original ancestors who we see NQS and King Endymion fighting against.
You’re thinking of Manga/Crystal canon again, we know for a fact that the BMC in the 90’s anime didn’t get their powers from Wiseman because we see Saphir teleporting all over the place and he most certainly did not follow Wiseman nor did he wear the earrings.
So does that mean in your view anyone who has major problems with the writing/portrayal of the whole BMC vs Crystal Tokyo conflict in the 90’s anime is automatically an “anti fan?” …Kay.
FYI no one is claiming 90’s anime NQS is or was intended to be a literal Nazi, just that the writing makes it come off that way through the fault of Toei, and if you can’t recognize the flaws in some of the 90’s anime writing then that’s on you.
Nobody’s trying to make the 90’s anime out to be some sort of racist product, we’re simply discussing on how clumsy flaws in the writing could make it seem like that sometimes. No one’s deliberately deconstructing anything, just pointing how the writing itself is leaning in that direction.
Tell me, if you really consider me to be an “anti-fan” (Seriously, that’s such a stupid concept to begin with
) who’s simply looking for problems, then why don’t you see me criticizing Manga NQS or Crystal Tokyo? Why am I not painting out Manga BMC as being in the right and “oppressed” by immortality? In fact I rightfully criticize anyone who does try to make Manga NQS into some kind of dictator tyrant and praises the BMC’s actions. I’ve seen way more posts lately in the fandom of people sympathizing with Manga BMC of all groups and saying “well, maybe they had a point,” when the writing makes clear that no, no they did not, they were a deranged extremist death cult and anyone who thinks otherwise is deliberately perverting the narrative to suit their own political agenda.
The problems I point out with the 90’s anime take on the conflict though isn’t because I’m some “far-leftist who sees everything through the lens of race” (If I was explain why I don’t think Manga BMC vs NQS was a racial issue?) but because it’s writing wasn’t as clear concerning the nature of the conflict like the manga was, and thus ends up making Crystal Tokyo look bad.
And no the shadowy monsters I was referring to in the flashback weren’t wearing clothes at all, rewatch that scene again. You’re thinking of the shadows of the current BMC who were shown right after, I’m talking about the depiction of their original ancestors who we see NQS and King Endymion fighting against.
You’re thinking of Manga/Crystal canon again, we know for a fact that the BMC in the 90’s anime didn’t get their powers from Wiseman because we see Saphir teleporting all over the place and he most certainly did not follow Wiseman nor did he wear the earrings.
So does that mean in your view anyone who has major problems with the writing/portrayal of the whole BMC vs Crystal Tokyo conflict in the 90’s anime is automatically an “anti fan?” …Kay.
FYI no one is claiming 90’s anime NQS is or was intended to be a literal Nazi, just that the writing makes it come off that way through the fault of Toei, and if you can’t recognize the flaws in some of the 90’s anime writing then that’s on you.
Nobody’s trying to make the 90’s anime out to be some sort of racist product, we’re simply discussing on how clumsy flaws in the writing could make it seem like that sometimes. No one’s deliberately deconstructing anything, just pointing how the writing itself is leaning in that direction.
Tell me, if you really consider me to be an “anti-fan” (Seriously, that’s such a stupid concept to begin with
) who’s simply looking for problems, then why don’t you see me criticizing Manga NQS or Crystal Tokyo? Why am I not painting out Manga BMC as being in the right and “oppressed” by immortality? In fact I rightfully criticize anyone who does try to make Manga NQS into some kind of dictator tyrant and praises the BMC’s actions. I’ve seen way more posts lately in the fandom of people sympathizing with Manga BMC of all groups and saying “well, maybe they had a point,” when the writing makes clear that no, no they did not, they were a deranged extremist death cult and anyone who thinks otherwise is deliberately perverting the narrative to suit their own political agenda.The problems I point out with the 90’s anime take on the conflict though isn’t because I’m some “far-leftist who sees everything through the lens of race” (If I was explain why I don’t think Manga BMC vs NQS was a racial issue?) but because it’s writing wasn’t as clear concerning the nature of the conflict like the manga was, and thus ends up making Crystal Tokyo look bad.
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The current generation Black Moon Clan did not have strange features that non humans didn't have. In fact in terms of Saphir teleporting around there is no proof he had these powers till he met Wiseman as a kid and even so his magic could stem from a malevolent source. Which again Saphir may have been skeptical of Wiseman but he did follow him up to a point. All of the Black Moon Clan did.
Also these Shadowy "Monsters" aka the ancestors of the Black Moon Clan were wearing clothes. As Sabrblade said one of them even had on short sleeves. The ancestors of the Black Moon Clan in said flashback were depicted just as their descedants in said flashback as shadowy humans with no real non human features.
Also the writing does not make Neo Queen Serenity come off as a Nazi in the 90s anime that is just your own willful misinterpretation of it mixed with your own far leftist views. It is just the typical badfic deconstruction of Crystal Tokyo and every bit the joke post I wrote if a woke person wrote the series.
There is no reason to think that King Endymion was lying and that the ancestors of the Black Moon Clan were again as group of humans who just engaged in terrorism against Crystal Tokyo and fled to Nemesis rather then accept purification or punishment for their crimes.
If you think the writing of the 90s anime series makes Neo Queen Serenity into a Nazi then you are reading your own politics into the series because nothing shows her as such and again I think this is probably due to your own liking of characters like Demand and Saphir and trying to make them more heroic then they were when in reality they were just the second season versions of Nephrite. Nothing in the series shows Neo Queen Serenity as a fascist dictator intolerant of non humans and if you think it does you are the one who dosen't understand the series for whatever reason.
The writing was very clear as to the nature of the conflict. The ancestors of the Black Moon Clan were terrorists who fled Nemesis rather then face the consequences of their crimes. The Black Moon Clan are their descendants and were not originally evil and wanted to reunite with the people of Earth before Wiseman corrupted them. In fact if Demand and Saphir had this idea that Crystal Tokyo were wrong in exiling their evil ancestors they wouldn't want to unite with them and their animus towards Crystal Tokyo was instilled in them AFTER they met Wiseman as kids.
Also these Shadowy "Monsters" aka the ancestors of the Black Moon Clan were wearing clothes. As Sabrblade said one of them even had on short sleeves. The ancestors of the Black Moon Clan in said flashback were depicted just as their descedants in said flashback as shadowy humans with no real non human features.
Also the writing does not make Neo Queen Serenity come off as a Nazi in the 90s anime that is just your own willful misinterpretation of it mixed with your own far leftist views. It is just the typical badfic deconstruction of Crystal Tokyo and every bit the joke post I wrote if a woke person wrote the series.
There is no reason to think that King Endymion was lying and that the ancestors of the Black Moon Clan were again as group of humans who just engaged in terrorism against Crystal Tokyo and fled to Nemesis rather then accept purification or punishment for their crimes.
If you think the writing of the 90s anime series makes Neo Queen Serenity into a Nazi then you are reading your own politics into the series because nothing shows her as such and again I think this is probably due to your own liking of characters like Demand and Saphir and trying to make them more heroic then they were when in reality they were just the second season versions of Nephrite. Nothing in the series shows Neo Queen Serenity as a fascist dictator intolerant of non humans and if you think it does you are the one who dosen't understand the series for whatever reason.
The writing was very clear as to the nature of the conflict. The ancestors of the Black Moon Clan were terrorists who fled Nemesis rather then face the consequences of their crimes. The Black Moon Clan are their descendants and were not originally evil and wanted to reunite with the people of Earth before Wiseman corrupted them. In fact if Demand and Saphir had this idea that Crystal Tokyo were wrong in exiling their evil ancestors they wouldn't want to unite with them and their animus towards Crystal Tokyo was instilled in them AFTER they met Wiseman as kids.
??? Take a look at the second screenshot, those were the ones I was referring to and they don’t look like they’re wearing clothes to me, are they? I thought they were just shadowy blob things.
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I see the second screenshot and no it dosen't look like they are blobs. In fact I was wrong about them being short sleeves but rather they are long sleeves and a black hand. Again all humanoid not blobs. However no it looks like King Endymion is fighting a female human woman wearing long sleeves and a hand with long nails. In fact the sleeves even look ruffled to me.
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Um, no, the writing was NOT clear as to the nature of the conflict at all. Even the images depicting the conflict aren't clear at all. This whole plot point is deliberately vague (because obviously, since Sailor Moon is a continuing show at this point, they can't show the future enemies without pigeonholing themselves).
All we know is Endymion says there were some really bad hombres that they beat and that many of them did not want to be cleansed and fled into space. There is no suggestion that they fled because they wanted to escape justice. In fact, in the only flashback we get, Demande stated they were chased away from Earth, meaning that they didn't really make that decision - Serenity did. Likewise, Saphir states in the beginning of the next episode after this they were banished and forced to live on Nemesis, so it's not like they were outlaws who the Senshi were chasing down. Still, the point of whether they had to accept cleansing because they committed crimes is unclear because the connection between the crime and cleansing is never made.
Likewise, in the sole dream/flashback we get from the Black Mon POV, even before Wiseman interrupts the scene, Demande explicitly says he wants to invade Earth to claim a flower garden of their own, and Saphir as a child actually approved of this idea. This is actually consistent with the scene where Saphir tells Demande he's losing sight of the original objective....which was to get revenge. It's clear there was existing animus; after all if you're condemned to live on a dark planet where flowers are a rarity and the people who chased you away from a nice green planet get to live prosperously, then yes, you are going to be angry.
The big problem is we are never shown the critical scenes needed to draw a clearer picture. Since we don't see the attack and the aftermath, we don't know if Neo Queen Serenity was "Join Us or Die" or not. We don't know how much Wiseman was amplifying bad traits and how much of the anger was already there. This is what happens when the anime diverged so heavily by making the Black Moon Clan descendants of bad people instead the bad people themselves.
It's unclear, and given that this is the backstory of the villains, that's a problem.
All we know is Endymion says there were some really bad hombres that they beat and that many of them did not want to be cleansed and fled into space. There is no suggestion that they fled because they wanted to escape justice. In fact, in the only flashback we get, Demande stated they were chased away from Earth, meaning that they didn't really make that decision - Serenity did. Likewise, Saphir states in the beginning of the next episode after this they were banished and forced to live on Nemesis, so it's not like they were outlaws who the Senshi were chasing down. Still, the point of whether they had to accept cleansing because they committed crimes is unclear because the connection between the crime and cleansing is never made.
Likewise, in the sole dream/flashback we get from the Black Mon POV, even before Wiseman interrupts the scene, Demande explicitly says he wants to invade Earth to claim a flower garden of their own, and Saphir as a child actually approved of this idea. This is actually consistent with the scene where Saphir tells Demande he's losing sight of the original objective....which was to get revenge. It's clear there was existing animus; after all if you're condemned to live on a dark planet where flowers are a rarity and the people who chased you away from a nice green planet get to live prosperously, then yes, you are going to be angry.
The big problem is we are never shown the critical scenes needed to draw a clearer picture. Since we don't see the attack and the aftermath, we don't know if Neo Queen Serenity was "Join Us or Die" or not. We don't know how much Wiseman was amplifying bad traits and how much of the anger was already there. This is what happens when the anime diverged so heavily by making the Black Moon Clan descendants of bad people instead the bad people themselves.
It's unclear, and given that this is the backstory of the villains, that's a problem.
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Exactly. By contrast, the manga was incredibly clear on the background of the nature of the conflict - i.e. Phantom who is later revealed to be just another incarnation of Chaos stirs up trouble in Crystal Tokyo, NQS imprisons him on Nemesis which has been recently discovered by the White Moon Royal Family as this newly identified toxic planet that they decide to use as a prison for criminals. (Though in practice it seems to be just a place where NQS can seal away Chaos incarnations to?) Fast forward to the current time where a gang of disgruntled CT teens are stirring up trouble and staging political revolts because they are ideologically opposed to the concept of immortality, Phantom somehow manages to break free from his imprisonment on Nemesis, appears before these teens as “Wiseman” and beckons them with an offer to come with him to Nemesis where he’ll imbue them with power from his own Black Poison Crystal in order to help overthrow NQS. They agree and go with him, thus forming the “Black Moon Clan” and setting the stage for the beginnings of the conflict - and that’s why barely anyone has a problem with the nature of the conflict in that continuity, it is well explained and well-articulated leading to no vagueness that indicates a shady coverup on the part of the White Moon.
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Ok Nadia is right I did see the scene where as kids Demand stated they were chased out of Earth and so wanted revenge on them but again that is what their parents the terrorists told them. There is no evidence as Tsundereshipper stated that the Black Moon Clan's ancestors leaving the planet Earth rather then facing justice for their actions is a "shady coverup on the part of the White Moon."
Really the stories of the Black Moon Clan in the manga are similar in one respect. In the manga it was Phantom that led a group of terrorists on Earth before he was banished to Nemesis. Where as in the 90s anime these terrorists were not banished but fled to Nemesis rather then face justice for their actions. It seemed as though that Crystal Tokyo didn't know the planet these terrorists settled on was Nemesis till later as the planet is very hard to track.
None the less these terrorists chose to escape rather then fact justice. So if they are raising children on this inhospitable planet it is no one's fault but theirs for choosing to leave. It is like of a group of Islamic terrorists here ran off to join ISIS and raise their kids there. We in the US are not to be blamed for them running off to live in terrorist land.
Really the stories of the Black Moon Clan in the manga are similar in one respect. In the manga it was Phantom that led a group of terrorists on Earth before he was banished to Nemesis. Where as in the 90s anime these terrorists were not banished but fled to Nemesis rather then face justice for their actions. It seemed as though that Crystal Tokyo didn't know the planet these terrorists settled on was Nemesis till later as the planet is very hard to track.
None the less these terrorists chose to escape rather then fact justice. So if they are raising children on this inhospitable planet it is no one's fault but theirs for choosing to leave. It is like of a group of Islamic terrorists here ran off to join ISIS and raise their kids there. We in the US are not to be blamed for them running off to live in terrorist land.
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They were never banished in the manga either, only Phantom was.
And according to Saphir in the 90’s anime he states that they actually were banished for refusing “cleansing.” He framed it in such a way like the choice for their ancestors was to either be cleansed (i.e. 90 anime NQS’s version of “facing justice”) or to leave, and there was no alternative option given where they were able to stay and get rehabilitated but not get cleansed.
By contrast Manga NQS never issues any ultimatums as conditions for citizenship, and she only exiles Chaos incarnations.
And according to Saphir in the 90’s anime he states that they actually were banished for refusing “cleansing.” He framed it in such a way like the choice for their ancestors was to either be cleansed (i.e. 90 anime NQS’s version of “facing justice”) or to leave, and there was no alternative option given where they were able to stay and get rehabilitated but not get cleansed.
By contrast Manga NQS never issues any ultimatums as conditions for citizenship, and she only exiles Chaos incarnations.
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I think the reason for the vagueness was because anime and manga were written at the same time.(This is not me bashing on the 90s anime .I am pointing at observation) Both sides did not have a clear plan.The anime side probably did not know what naoko was planning to do.So instead of going too much detail or being clear.They just dance around, and did there best to give some reason of the badguys actions.Than decided to more sympathetic.So it leads to more questions than answers