Are The Three Lights And Princess Kakyuu In Some Sort of Polyamorous Relationship?

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CrystalBard

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Or do I just have a dirty mind? No, really, they thought the best way to find their princess was to form a boy band and sing a love song. Which she asks Seiya to sing to her while they get snuggly on the couch and while singing it, Seiya thinks of his crush Usagi.
 
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Now I think I know why the Starlights were crammed down our throats so much. Boy Bands were really popular in that time I assume or whatever.
“Idols” have always existed in Japan and Naoko’s original idea was to pay homage to the Takarazuka Revue (females playing male roles)—she had done it before with Haruka, but this time the idea is more explicit because we have girls actually disguised as boys from a band.

Then TOEI misinterpreted and ruined Takeuchi’s idea by changing the actual gender of the Starlights... they were meant to be girls disguised as boys, not boys.
 
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“Idols” have always existed in Japan and Naoko’s original idea was to pay homage to the Takarazuka Revue (females playing male roles)—she had done it before with Haruka, but this time the idea is more explicit because we have girls actually disguised as boys from a band.

Then TOEI misinterpreted and ruined Takeuchi’s idea by changing the actual gender of the Starlights... they were meant to be girls disguised as boys, not boys.
Still doesn't answer the question and Seiya is pretty gay...Though Guardians and princesses do have a vaguely homoerotic bond going on.
 
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“Idols” have always existed in Japan and Naoko’s original idea was to pay homage to the Takarazuka Revue (females playing male roles)—she had done it before with Haruka, but this time the idea is more explicit because we have girls actually disguised as boys from a band.

Then TOEI misinterpreted and ruined Takeuchi’s idea by changing the actual gender of the Starlights... they were meant to be girls disguised as boys, not boys.
To this day i dont get how Toei ruined it. Starlights arent boys. They just use magic to transform into boys which makes it easier for them to pretend they are boys (and thats the point). Not to mention its was previously done by Naoko in case of Usagi and Minako. At the end of the day they're still girls. So where's the harm?
 

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Takeuchi wanted to allude to a form of musical theater that exists since 1913 in which the cast members are women disguised as men.

The Starlights were men, biologically, and that aspect changes the idea that under the mens’ clothes—when they were performing—there are men and not women.
I mean to me it really sounds like nitpicking because out of all changes 90 anime have made this one seems to me like a really clever one and it makes a lot of sense. Plus it uses Naoko's ideas which she used in the series twice.
 
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I mean to me it really sounds like nitpicking because out of all changes 90 anime have made this one seems to me like a really clever one and it makes a lot of sense. Plus it uses Naoko's ideas which she used in the series twice.
In the 90’s anime, most interactions between Seiya and Usagi are those between a man a woman—because biologically Seiya is a man, he only changes gender upon transforming. In that light, as a human, not as a senshi, Seiya is by all means a guy who is in love or infatuated with Usagi.

In the manga, this is handled differently. Usagi becomes aware that Seiya is a girl right in the beginning and *she* has an unrequited love for Usagi, which Usagi herself notices. In that sense, Seiya is 100% female and like Haruka.
 
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Takeuchi wanted to allude to a form of musical theater that exists since 1913 in which the cast members are women disguised as men.
Yeah that exactly what she imposed for the new musicals sknce 2014, all male characters are also played by female. TOEI wanted probably them as boy to "first" passe the "homexuality / trans" ban internationnaly, secondly wanted to attract new viewers with Sailor being Boys.. (or half boys)... That why they pushed them so much on screen with 2 different transformations and 3 version of their attacks... When all the Inner and even more Outer get thown under the bus... But somehow I still like Stars. The fillers are not like a copy paste of each others like in SuperS. And I really love the last 5 episodes and the small Nehelenia's arc...
 
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Yeah that exactly what she imposed for the new musicals sknce 2014, all male characters are also played by female. TOEI wanted probably them as boy to "first" passe the "homexuality / trans" ban internationnaly, secondly wanted to attract new viewers with Sailor being Boys.. (or half boys)... That why they pushed them so much on screen with 2 different transformations and 3 version of their attacks... When all the Inner and even more Outer get thown under the bus... But somehow I still like Stars. The fillers are not like a copy paste of each others like in SuperS. And I really love the last 5 episodes and the small Nehelenia's arc...
To be fair, the manga threw all the inners + outers under the bus... they all disappear —much like Mars, Mercury, and Jupiter disappeared in the Black Moon arc—and we only get to see them again as Galaxia’s servants later.
 

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In the 90’s anime, most interactions between Seiya and Usagi are those between a man a woman—because biologically Seiya is a man, he only changes gender upon transforming. In that light, as a human, not as a senshi, Seiya is by all means a guy who is in love or infatuated with Usagi.

In the manga, this is handled differently. Usagi becomes aware that Seiya is a girl right in the beginning and *she* has an unrequited love for Usagi, which Usagi herself notices. In that sense, Seiya is 100% female and like Haruka.
Let's not assume Seiya's gender. It's actually an asexual space creature that reproduces through spores.
 
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To be fair, the manga threw all the inners + outers under the bus... they all disappear —much like Mars, Mercury, and Jupiter disappeared in the Black Moon arc—and we only get to see them again as Galaxia’s servants later.
that’s true but the last arc manga has what 10 acts ? It was more easy to push the Outers in the anime... but I guess they got lost.. it’s not very easy to have such a huge cast of characters true. That’s why Takeuchi always make them kidnapped or killed lol
 
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that’s true but the last arc manga has what 10 acts ? It was more easy to push the Outers in the anime... but I guess they got lost.. it’s not very easy to have such a huge cast of characters true. That’s why Takeuchi always make them kidnapped or killed lol
About 10 acts, yes, but each is filled with new information, e.g. Phobos and Deimos having their own planets, as well as Luna and Artemis, the fact that there are many senshi in the universe, Sailor Moon’s power possibly being a cause of war and conflict in the universe. You have to dedicate close attention to each panel.

Dream is a long arc, but it doesn’t have the complexity of Stars.
 
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@Star Angel Haruki

No, it can easily be adapted as a movie, or two.

Fans just have to be attentive. Lots of flashbacks. We will see Wiseman (Chaos disguised as a wiseman) leading Galaxia to the Sagittarius Zero Star, Usagi realizing that in Chaos resides her four previous enemies, Beryl, Wiseman, Pharaoh 90, and Nehelenia, the realization that there are many other planets and Sailor senshi—like Galaxia herself—who crave for Sailor Moon’s power, the notion that Sailor Moon’s power causes war, the Sailor wars.
 
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I think there should be two movies—

1. the first film should focus on the Star Lights, the introduction of Chibi Chibi, the inner and outer senshi disappearing, having their crystals stolen.

2. the second film should be the actual battle, Sailor Cosmos, Galaxia, Chaos, the galaxy cauldron, and the happy ending WITH the cats resurrected and included.