Crysternal nostalgia in Cosmos

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New Director: I will solve the Stars manga problems!!
Moonie: So we'll get a full explanation for everything that's happening!!!
New Director: Copy and Paste it is!!
Moonie: :eek:
People will start to see Stars problems once they've watched Cosmos. The Dead Moon arc it's not that great to them after Eternal.

Viewers will get disappointed when they see:

-Galaxia takes the Golden Crystal easily, but for some plot-reason doesn't want to kill Usagi at the airport to get both crystals.
-Usagi doesn't recognise the Three Lights when she has a poster of them.
-The girls can't hurt the Animamates after receiving the Eternal power upgrade in Eternal/Four arc.
-Now all the Sailors can sense the starseeds/Sailor Crystals energy, because........ the plot demands it to insufflate unnecessary drama. So, why the Inners didn't discover that the new 3 Harukas are the new Outers through the concerts or the radio if they can feel "star waves" through a song?
-The Three Lights owning enough power to kill the Animamates, but waiting for Alluminium Seiren to kill Mercury & Jupiter... Why?
-Usagi doesn't lose her transformation after Mercury & Jupiter deaths. The holy grail disappears when some members of the Solar System Senshi group are missing according to the Dead Moon arc/Eternal. Unless the new director has changed the way Usagi transforms into Sailor Moon.
-The Three Lights have the personality of a chard.
-The Three Lights revealing their true identities twice is a waste of time. Minako and Rei should've trusted their "friends" and not ask for a new revelation. Tomoya could develop other plot points instead but I suppose the aim is to please Reinako fans.
-Phobos & Deimos or Luna & Artemis subplots will remain as they are in the manga. They get human forms just because.
-The Solar System Sailors can sense conveniently one of the members are in danger from a distance....................
-The Super Sailor Pluto thing......... goodness...
-Tomoya hasn't developed the Sailor Palaces plot or the stupid fairies the Sailors have as their power guardians........................
-The Wiseman thing..........
-Everything happening in Lethe river.
-All the useless Sailor characters appearing in one second and getting killed three seconds later.
-The Sailor Quartet being worthless. What is their true nature? They come from the present or the future? If they come from the present where are the Sailor Quartet of the future?
-Sailor Kakyuu being another useless Senshi for 9 seconds before dying, of course.
-The Cauldron existence. Almost all the characters in the series has died and resurrected without going to the Cauldron. Why hasn't there been any consequences? Serenity (mother & daughter) has been breaking such supreme Universe rule constantly when she revived people at will.
-What the Lambda power is and why it doesn't affect Usagi and her friends, leaving Guardian Cosmos doing the job.
-Sailor Cosmos not vanishing when she's in front of Sailor Moon.
-Sailor Cosmos mission. The destruction of the Present Cauldron wouldn't affect the future one. There have to be more Cauldrons in other galaxies, and there have to be another one in the past - Silver Millenium era and beyond - . Naoko was never good at time paradox.
-Chibiusa, someone of the future, being in the Present Cauldron. Makes no sense.

And I'm surely leaving something out.

Sailor Moon Cosmos The Movie will be a party.

 
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-Sailor Kakyuu being another useless Senshi for 9 seconds before dying, of course.
I was suggesting that having Evil Sailor Venus killing Kakyuu in Cosmos instead which might compensate for her not killing Beryl in Crystal, this would simplify things since it is Evil Sailor Venus that destroyed Kakyuu's body in the manga.
 
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I was suggesting that having Evil Sailor Venus killing Kakyuu in Cosmos instead which might compensate for her not killing Beryl in Crystal, this would simplify things since it is Evil Sailor Venus that destroyed Kakyuu's body in the manga.
Naoko wouldn‘t allow it that one of her girls would do such a gruesome thing.
 
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People will start to see Stars problems once they've watched Cosmos. The Dead Moon arc it's not that great to them after Eternal.

Viewers will get disappointed when they see:

-Galaxia takes the Golden Crystal easily, but for some plot-reason doesn't want to kill Usagi at the airport to get both crystals.
-Usagi doesn't recognise the Three Lights when she has a poster of them.
-The girls can't hurt the Animamates after receiving the Eternal power upgrade in Eternal/Four arc.
-Now all the Sailors can sense the starseeds/Sailor Crystals energy, because........ the plot demands it to insufflate unnecessary drama. So, why the Inners didn't discover that the new 3 Harukas are the new Outers through the concerts or the radio if they can feel "star waves" through a song?
-The Three Lights owning enough power to kill the Animamates, but waiting for Alluminium Seiren to kill Mercury & Jupiter... Why?
-Usagi doesn't lose her transformation after Mercury & Jupiter deaths. The holy grail disappears when some members of the Solar System Senshi group are missing according to the Dead Moon arc/Eternal. Unless the new director has changed the way Usagi transforms into Sailor Moon.
-The Three Lights have the personality of a chard.
-The Three Lights revealing their true identities twice is a waste of time. Minako and Rei should've trusted their "friends" and not ask for a new revelation. Tomoya could develop other plot points instead but I suppose the aim is to please Reinako fans.
-Phobos & Deimos or Luna & Artemis subplots will remain as they are in the manga. They get human forms just because.
-The Solar System Sailors can sense conveniently one of the members are in danger from a distance....................
-The Super Sailor Pluto thing......... goodness...
-Tomoya hasn't developed the Sailor Palaces plot or the stupid fairies the Sailors have as their power guardians........................
-The Wiseman thing..........
-Everything happening in Lethe river.
-All the useless Sailor characters appearing in one second and getting killed three seconds later.
-The Sailor Quartet being worthless. What is their true nature? They come from the present or the future? If they come from the present where are the Sailor Quartet of the future?
-Sailor Kakyuu being another useless Senshi for 9 seconds before dying, of course.
-The Cauldron existence. Almost all the characters in the series has died and resurrected without going to the Cauldron. Why hasn't there been any consequences? Serenity (mother & daughter) has been breaking such supreme Universe rule constantly when she revived people at will.
-What the Lambda power is and why it doesn't affect Usagi and her friends, leaving Guardian Cosmos doing the job.
-Sailor Cosmos not vanishing when she's in front of Sailor Moon.
-Sailor Cosmos mission. The destruction of the Present Cauldron wouldn't affect the future one. There have to be more Cauldrons in other galaxies, and there have to be another one in the past - Silver Millenium era and beyond - . Naoko was never good at time paradox.
-Chibiusa, someone of the future, being in the Present Cauldron. Makes no sense.

And I'm surely leaving something out.

Sailor Moon Cosmos The Movie will be a party.

They'll have to do something different especially the action scenes for part 2. :usagi:'s former allies are just gonna spam their double/quadruple attacks. It's gonna just look like that time the resurrected Witches 5 spammed all their stock footage with Viluy looking like the only competent fighter. Well I am hoping we'll get new stock footage but not something like those solo Moon Gorgeous Meditation.
 
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They'll have to do something different especially the action scenes for part 2. :usagi:'s former allies are just gonna spam their double/quadruple attacks. It's gonna just look like that time the resurrected Witches 5 spammed all their stock footage with Viluy looking like the only competent fighter. Well I am hoping we'll get new stock footage but not something like those solo Moon Gorgeous Meditation.
That part is going to be a stock footage feast with red eyes. :rofl:
 
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-Galaxia takes the Golden Crystal easily, but for some plot-reason doesn't want to kill Usagi at the airport to get both crystals.
I think it’s pretty obvious she wanted to face Usagi head on for the thrill of the “challenge” of defeating the most powerful Sailor Crystal holder in the Galaxy.


-Usagi doesn't recognise the Three Lights when she has a poster of them.
Because she just saw her own boyfriend disintegrate before her very eyes and the manga literally tells us she’s suppressed some of her memories out of trauma?


-The Solar System Sailors can sense conveniently one of the members are in danger from a distance...................
Because this arc established the girls can now sense Sailor Crystal/Star Seed energy as you yourself mentioned?




-Tomoya hasn't developed the Sailor Palaces plot or the stupid fairies the Sailors have as their power guardians........................
Why praytell do these things even need to be developed? Every Senshi/Sailor Crystal carrier is considered royalty of their own planet, why wouldn’t they have palaces? (Actually a bigger plot-hole would be shouldn’t all those palaces have been decimated during the fall of the SilMil? Maybe Usagi’s “revival of the Moon Kingdom” all the way back in Dark Kingdom simultaneously restored the other planets who were under the banner of the Silver Millenium Empire’s palaces as well?)

As for the Sailor Power Guardians, it seems obvious to me they’re supposed to be the physical manifestation of the girls Sailor Crystals. Not everything needs to be perfectly spelled out.


-The Wiseman thing..........
One of Chaos’s incarnations stirring sh*t up, what’s the problem?


Everything happening in Lethe river.
What even needs to be explained here? If you’re talking about Naoko’s confusing paneling/transitions, that’s a problem the whole manga has.


-The Sailor Quartet being worthless. What is their true nature? They come from the present or the future? If they come from the present where are the Sailor Quartet of the future?
I’m pretty sure they’re from the future since the Quartet said back in Dream they’ll only awaken in the future once Chibi-Usa is a full fledged Senshi, also like they literally appear in front of her in Crystal Tokyo? It’s pretty obvious they’re from the 30th Century.

Now the Time Travel aspect of the series is messy I agree but this is hardly unique to Sailor Moon, any series that introduces Time Travel rarely handles it well.


-The Cauldron existence. Almost all the characters in the series has died and resurrected without going to the Cauldron. Why hasn't there been any consequences? Serenity (mother & daughter) has been breaking such supreme Universe rule constantly when she revived people at will.
Not all the characters, just those who perished in the past during the SilMil and Pluto during Black Moon.

The Silver Millenium situation was a special case where Queen Serenity more so sealed and transmigrated their souls into the future (Though considering she herself visited the Galaxy Cauldron in order to create her daughter she should’ve already known of the Cauldron’s existence and thus shouldn’t have even bothered sealing away and transmigrating everyone, anyone with a Sailor Crystal would’ve been reborn anyways and she basically made more trouble for everyone by making sure all the villains in that situation would be reborn. This is the actual big plot hole the Cauldron’s existence introduces)

As far as Pluto’s death in Black Moon goes, how do we know she didn’t go through the Cauldron process to reincarnate? Sure she outright says in Infinity that NQS gave her a second chance at life, but c’mon, that could easily be explained away by her lying through her teeth so as not to disrupt the timeline. (The Senshi aren’t yet supposed to know about the Cauldron’s existence)


-Sailor Cosmos not vanishing when she's in front of Sailor Moon.
That rule probably only applies to past/future selves from this current lifetime/timeline. Cosmos is very obviously either a reincarnation or from a bad end alternate timeline, why would she vanish if she’s not technically the same person as Usagi? (Especially if we consider the theory that she’s the amalgamation of all the Solar System’s Sailor Crystals merged into one being and not solely Usagi.)




-Sailor Cosmos mission. The destruction of the Present Cauldron wouldn't affect the future one. There have to be more Cauldrons in other galaxies, and there have to be another one in the past - Silver Millenium era and beyond - . Naoko was never good at time paradox.
It’s obvious there’s just one Cauldron that applies to the entire universe as a whole, what on earth made you think there’s others?

And why do you assume time works in the manga via a time loop? What if it’s a case of something happening in the past having a direct effect on the future and causes the Cauldron of the future to also vanish?


-Chibiusa, someone of the future, being in the Present Cauldron. Makes no sense.
Because the Cauldron, being the source of the universe’s existence itself, extends beyond the time-space barrier?

Can’t defend any of your other points cause you’re right there, but some of these “plot-holes” you’re pointing out feel like a reach. Yes, we all know a lot of these are just retcons and are the result of Naoko making sh*t up as she goes along, but tbh, considering the position she was in at the time they’re not that egregious from a writing standpoint and are easily explainable/able to be covered up if you think hard enough. I doubt most casual readers of the manga will even notice any of these points, they’re nitpicks you really have to be looking for.

And if you wanna talk about plot-holes or lore being inconsistent and not making sense, I could say the same thing about the 90’s anime. Some of the 90’s anime sins:

- Beryl’s whole deal with Metallia???
- Where exactly do the Shittenou come from?
- Minako’s backstory has it so Sailor V is thought to be dead, so why does everyone including the other Inners think she’s still alive?
- Ikuhara confirmed that Classic’s year reset and everyone lost their memories, so how and why are Naru/Umino still together? How did Sailor Moon as a figure get so popular in only a few weeks time for there to already be merch and stage plays made about her during the Makai Tree arc?
- The Moonlight Knight, just the Moonlight Knight.
- So Chibi-Usa in the 90’s anime doesn’t already know Usagi and Mamoru are her parents like she does in the Manga/Crystal, how praytell does she know Usagi’s name and think she’s the holder of the Silver Crystal then?
- So King Endymion instigated those visions in order to test Usagi and Mamoru’s love yet shouldn’t he already know how strong their love is considering he’s currently married to her with a kid???
- What exactly were the BMC’s ancestors required to even get cleansed of? What even were they?
- Wiseman/Death Phantom’s origins??? Where does the Planet Nemesis even come from? They don’t even attempt to explain.
- So the Golden Crystal in the 90’s anime doesn’t actually belong to anyone in particular and is powered by everyone’s dreams (and shouldn’t Helios already know this considering he himself is the Guardian of Dreams?) yet Mamoru’s Star Seed in Stars is golden because….?
- What exactly was the Sailor War?
- Why does Chibi-Chibi’s design still resemble Usagi despite this version of her being Galaxia’s Star Seed?
- Sailor Cosmos’s silhouette just randomly appearing for a second there even though she supposedly doesn’t exist in this version

Was Naoko clumsy with her lore? Undoubtedly, but at least she actually tried. The 90’s anime frequently didn’t even bother to explain stuff.

And lest you think I’m some uber big manga stan who worships the ground Princess Hime-sama walks on, no I acknowledge it’s flaws. But I also acknowledge the flaws of the 90’s anime because I’m a fan of both, neither is perfect, and I’m objective enough to recognize the good and bad in both.

Frankly what I’m most looking forward to with the end of the Crystal era is for this silly manga vs 90’s anime war to finally be put to rest and quit dividing the fandom. We get it, you’re either in one camp or the other and are biased enough that you can’t recognize or acknowledge the strengths the other version has, but c’mon there’s no need to cherry-pick and make the other “side” out to be the worst written thing ever.

Most other fandoms have shipping wars, how did this fandom manage to be the one to have a version war?

And yes the manga is still quite vapid, (How they all dedicate their lives to Usagi just because she holds the most powerful Sailor Crystal in the universe) I agree with you there.
 
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I think it’s pretty obvious she wanted to face Usagi head on for the thrill of the “challenge” of defeating the most powerful Sailor Crystal holder in the Galaxy.
Galaxia makes it clear her ultimate goal is to watch Sailor Moon and Chaos destroy each other. What happens at the airport doesn't make much sense from a narrative perspective. Galaxia obtains easily the Golden Crystal (equivalent to the Silver Crystal according to Helios). At that very moment, she could've killed Usagi, got the Silver Crystal, and with these two crystals along with the Saffer Crystal, she could have obtained enough power to overcome the entity of Chaos, or that is what she believes. But if that happens, there would be no story to tell.

Because she just saw her own boyfriend disintegrate before her very eyes and the manga literally tells us she’s suppressed some of her memories out of trauma?
In that case, why she doesn't forget more people too? She has a Three Lights poster, she's supposed to be a fan. And she is unfazed by their presence in act 50 & 51. The problem I see is that Naoko had a preliminary idea in mind she later dismissed and didn't inform the assistants who were drawing the manga.

Because this arc established the girls can now sense Sailor Crystal/Star Seed energy as you yourself mentioned?
Yeah, but it was, as I said on another thread, my imagination. The reader always has to be constantly imagining things by reading this comic. There's no an explanation by the author. It contradicts the previous encounters between the Senshis.

Why praytell do these things even need to be developed? Every Senshi/Sailor Crystal carrier is considered royalty of their own planet, why wouldn’t they have palaces? (Actually a bigger plot-hole would be shouldn’t all those palaces have been decimated during the fall of the SilMil? Maybe Usagi’s “revival of the Moon Kingdom” all the way back in Dark Kingdom simultaneously restored the other planets who were under the banner of the Silver Millenium Empire’s palaces as well?)

As for the Sailor Power Guardians, it seems obvious to me they’re supposed to be the physical manifestation of the girls Sailor Crystals. Not everything needs to be perfectly spelled out.
The concept of the castles has to be developed, because if the girls in the end are princesses and have palaces, Takeuchi as a writer has to explain to us why these girls did not remember that part of their past lives when they recovered their memories, having a meaning within the story beyond being a simple Deus ex machina to transform Usagi into Eternal Sailor Moon.These girls can be princesses and have palaces, but an explanation is needed especially if the intention is to expand the universe and not use the idea only as a simple narrative resource to get from point A to point B.

The Sailor Power Guardians also need her explanation because Takeuchi told us they are the Guardians of the Senshi's powers. These little fairies don't fit in with the way the girls have been getting and increasing their power since Volume 1, unless, again, you press your autopilot button and resort to your imagination. As always.

One of Chaos’s incarnations stirring sh*t up, what’s the problem?
Although it is an offshoot of Chaos, it is confusing that a dark being originated in the future is in the present trying to recruit Galaxia. It's another carelessly concept thrown there. The fact that it's a Chaos offshoot, there is not an explanation or any convincing development. It is a sloppy script, any writer with a minimum level of knowledge in this field wouldn't dare to leave such ambiguous clue just for the sake of leaving a clue if they aren't going to tie it up to the main plot later. It seems more like a whim, as if Takeuchi wanted to draw Wiseman at that moment to try to mislead the reader in some way.

What even needs to be explained here? If you’re talking about Naoko’s confusing paneling/transitions, that’s a problem the whole manga has.
Too easy. The events happen in the centre of the Milky Way. For no apparent reason, when Usagi falls into Lethe's river, Sailor Lethe has the cats. She kills them. Once again, the reader has to imagine that Sailor Lethe, knowing that Sailor Moon was going to pay her a cordial visit, traveled to Earth much faster than Sailor Moon, Kakyuu and company. She killed Tsukino family and caught the cats only to kill them in front of Usagi to give her pseudo-philosophical speech. But then, in the next act, Chibi Moon arrives on the present day, on Earth, right near a swing, and she suddenly knows the ashes she finds on the ground are the cats... It's confusing. Where did Sailor Lethe kill the cats, in Zero Star or on Earth?

It's something you'll never see in a comic or a book.

I’m pretty sure they’re from the future since the Quartet said back in Dream they’ll only awaken in the future once Chibi-Usa is a full fledged Senshi, also like they literally appear in front of her in Crystal Tokyo? It’s pretty obvious they’re from the 30th Century.

Now the Time Travel aspect of the series is messy I agree but this is hardly unique to Sailor Moon, any series that introduces Time Travel rarely handles it well.
But why would Nehellenia have to go to the future to recruit 4 potential Senshi? That strategic plan has to have a narrative meaning that helps the villain in some way to achieve their goals. Why does Nehellenia have to care about the future, specifically the 30th century?

Not all the characters, just those who perished in the past during the SilMil and Pluto during Black Moon.

The Silver Millenium situation was a special case where Queen Serenity more so sealed and transmigrated their souls into the future (Though considering she herself visited the Galaxy Cauldron in order to create her daughter she should’ve already known of the Cauldron’s existence and thus shouldn’t have even bothered sealing away and transmigrating everyone, anyone with a Sailor Crystal would’ve been reborn anyways and she basically made more trouble for everyone by making sure all the villains in that situation would be reborn. This is the actual big plot hole the Cauldron’s existence introduces)

As far as Pluto’s death in Black Moon goes, how do we know she didn’t go through the Cauldron process to reincarnate? Sure she outright says in Infinity that NQS gave her a second chance at life, but c’mon, that could easily be explained away by her lying through her teeth so as not to disrupt the timeline. (The Senshi aren’t yet supposed to know about the Cauldron’s existence)
In the present day, the characters also died. We have all those people who died at the end of the Dark Kingdom arc, resurrected by Sailor Moon. The Inner Senshi in that same arc, for example. In the XXX century, many people also died and Neo Queen Serenity revived them without further ado.
In the Death Busters arc, the Inners were also killed when Mistress 9 took the Hostie. Hotaru also reincarnated right away.
Everything else is just a product of our imagination. Filling in the gaps. Takeuchi should've thought of the Cauldron concept better before including it in the story so that there would be a modicum of narrative coherence.

That rule probably only applies to past/future selves from this current lifetime/timeline. Cosmos is very obviously either a reincarnation or from a bad end alternate timeline, why would she vanish if she’s not technically the same person as Usagi? (Especially if we consider the theory that she’s the amalgamation of all the Solar System’s Sailor Crystals merged into one being and not solely Usagi.)
Takeuchi tells us that Sailor Cosmos comes from the future and is Usagi. But she doesn't apply the space-time laws that she herself applied in the Black Moon arc. The rest is left to the reader's imagination once again. As I have said in another thread, it's a narrative resource the writer can use for a specific purpose. Takeuchi utilised it every second because she's not a writer, she can't write.

It’s obvious there’s just one Cauldron that applies to the entire universe as a whole, what on earth made you think there’s others?

And why do you assume time works in the manga via a time loop? What if it’s a case of something happening in the past having a direct effect on the future and causes the Cauldron of the future to also vanish?
Because the characters only talk about the Milky Way. If we use Takeuchi's logic, in each galaxy there would have to be a Cauldron. Unless the Milky Way is the only galaxy with the privilege of having a galactic cauldron.
Aside from that, according to the time paradox Naoko handled in the Black Moon arc, the reader could think Sailor Cosmos would have to travel to ancient times (not to the present day), and destroy the Cauldron to "save" her future.

By the way, if Sailor Cosmos has so much power, why doesn't she destroy the Cauldron? The reader can't understand all that narrative paraphernalia of "letting Usagi destroy the Cauldron", when she can do it herself. Yes, I get it, after all Sailor Cosmos was created to glorify Usagi.

Because the Cauldron, being the source of the universe’s existence itself, extends beyond the time-space barrier?

Can’t defend any of your other points cause you’re right there, but some of these “plot-holes” you’re pointing out feel like a reach. Yes, we all know a lot of these are just retcons and are the result of Naoko making sh*t up as she goes along, but tbh, considering the position she was in at the time they’re not that egregious from a writing standpoint and are easily explainable/able to be covered up if you think hard enough. I doubt most casual readers of the manga will even notice any of these points, they’re nitpicks you really have to be looking for.

And if you wanna talk about plot-holes or lore being inconsistent and not making sense, I could say the same thing about the 90’s anime. Some of the 90’s anime sins:

- Beryl’s whole deal with Metallia???
- Where exactly do the Shittenou come from?
- Minako’s backstory has it so Sailor V is thought to be dead, so why does everyone including the other Inners think she’s still alive?
- Ikuhara confirmed that Classic’s year reset and everyone lost their memories, so how and why are Naru/Umino still together? How did Sailor Moon as a figure get so popular in only a few weeks time for there to already be merch and stage plays made about her during the Makai Tree arc?
- The Moonlight Knight, just the Moonlight Knight.
- So Chibi-Usa in the 90’s anime doesn’t already know Usagi and Mamoru are her parents like she does in the Manga/Crystal, how praytell does she know Usagi’s name and think she’s the holder of the Silver Crystal then?
- So King Endymion instigated those visions in order to test Usagi and Mamoru’s love yet shouldn’t he already know how strong their love is considering he’s currently married to her with a kid???
- What exactly were the BMC’s ancestors required to even get cleansed of? What even were they?
- Wiseman/Death Phantom’s origins??? Where does the Planet Nemesis even come from? They don’t even attempt to explain.
- So the Golden Crystal in the 90’s anime doesn’t actually belong to anyone in particular and is powered by everyone’s dreams (and shouldn’t Helios already know this considering he himself is the Guardian of Dreams?) yet Mamoru’s Star Seed in Stars is golden because….?
- What exactly was the Sailor War?
- Why does Chibi-Chibi’s design still resemble Usagi despite this version of her being Galaxia’s Star Seed?
- Sailor Cosmos’s silhouette just randomly appearing for a second there even though she supposedly doesn’t exist in this version

Was Naoko clumsy with her lore? Undoubtedly, but at least she actually tried. The 90’s anime frequently didn’t even bother to explain stuff.

And lest you think I’m some uber big manga stan who worships the ground Princess Hime-sama walks on, no I acknowledge it’s flaws. But I also acknowledge the flaws of the 90’s anime because I’m a fan of both, neither is perfect, and I’m objective enough to recognize the good and bad in both.

Frankly what I’m most looking forward to with the end of the Crystal era is for this silly manga vs 90’s anime war to finally be put to rest and quit dividing the fandom. We get it, you’re either in one camp or the other and are biased enough that you can’t recognize or acknowledge the strengths the other version has, but c’mon there’s no need to cherry-pick and make the other “side” out to be the worst written thing ever.

Most other fandoms have shipping wars, how did this fandom manage to be the one to have a version war?

And yes the manga is still quite vapid, (How they all dedicate their lives to Usagi just because she holds the most powerful Sailor Crystal in the universe) I agree with you there.
That annotation is not present in the manga. All the elements of the Milky Way have a past, a present and a future,again, according to the space-time theory used by Naoko in the Black Moon arc. That means that in the future of the 30th century there has to be another Cauldron in the centre of the Milky Way. The only place outside those space-time borders would be the space-time corridor where the time gate is located.

My point was: the reader can overlook these inconsistencies because they're busier by giving their own speed and pace to the manga, admiring Takeuchi's art in the process. But in the Sailor Moon Cosmos film these flaws are going to be noticed even more, due to its super fast pace making the story thinner, accentuating the inconsistencies with a pleasant artistic style that will not dazzle the viewer.

And, yes, I want this project to be over. It has split the fandom.
 
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In that case, why she doesn't forget more people too? She has a Three Lights poster, she's supposed to be a fan. And she is unfazed by their presence in act 50 & 51. The problem I see is that Naoko had a preliminary idea in mind she later dismissed and didn't inform the assistants who were drawing the manga.



Yeah, but it was, as I said on another thread, my imagination. The reader always has to be constantly imagining things by reading this comic. There's no an explanation by the author. It contradicts the previous encounters between the Senshis.



The concept of the castles has to be developed, because if the girls in the end are princesses and have palaces, Takeuchi as a writer has to explain to us why these girls did not remember that part of their past lives when they recovered their memories, having a meaning within the story beyond being a simple Deus ex machina to transform Usagi into Eternal Sailor Moon.These girls can be princesses and have palaces, but an explanation is needed especially if the intention is to expand the universe and not use the idea only as a simple narrative resource to get from point A to point B.

The Sailor Power Guardians also need her explanation because Takeuchi told us they are the Guardians of the Senshi's powers. These little fairies don't fit in with the way the girls have been getting and increasing their power since Volume 1, unless, again, you press your autopilot button and resort to your imagination. As always.



Although it is an offshoot of Chaos, it is confusing that a dark being originated in the future is in the present trying to recruit Galaxia. It's another carelessly concept thrown there. The fact that it's a Chaos offshoot, there is not an explanation or any convincing development. It is a sloppy script, any writer with a minimum level of knowledge in this field wouldn't dare to leave such ambiguous clue just for the sake of leaving a clue if they aren't going to tie it up to the main plot later. It seems more like a whim, as if Takeuchi wanted to draw Wiseman at that moment to try to mislead the reader in some way.



Too easy. The events happen in the centre of the Milky Way. For no apparent reason, when Usagi falls into Lethe's river, Sailor Lethe has the cats. She kills them. Once again, the reader has to imagine that Sailor Lethe, knowing that Sailor Moon was going to pay her a cordial visit, traveled to Earth much faster than Sailor Moon, Kakyuu and company. She killed Tsukino family and caught the cats only to kill them in front of Usagi to give her pseudo-philosophical speech. But then, in the next act, Chibi Moon arrives on the present day, on Earth, right near a swing, and she suddenly knows the ashes she finds on the ground are the cats... It's confusing. Where did Sailor Lethe kill the cats, in Zero Star or on Earth?

It's something you'll never see in a comic or a book.



But why would Nehellenia have to go to the future to recruit 4 potential Senshi? That strategic plan has to have a narrative meaning that helps the villain in some way to achieve their goals. Why does Nehellenia have to care about the future, specifically the 30th century?



In the present day, the characters also died. We have all those people who died at the end of the Dark Kingdom arc, resurrected by Sailor Moon. The Inner Senshi in that same arc, for example. In the XXX century, many people also died and Neo Queen Serenity revived them without further ado.
In the Death Busters arc, the Inners were also killed when Mistress 9 took the Hostie. Hotaru also reincarnated right away.
Everything else is just a product of our imagination. Filling in the gaps. Takeuchi should've thought of the Cauldron concept better before including it in the story so that there would be a modicum of narrative coherence.



Takeuchi tells us that Sailor Cosmos comes from the future and is Usagi. But she doesn't apply the space-time laws that she herself applied in the Black Moon arc. The rest is left to the reader's imagination once again. As I have said in another thread, it's a narrative resource the writer can use for a specific purpose. Takeuchi utilised it every second because she's not a writer, she can't write.



Because the characters only talk about the Milky Way. If we use Takeuchi's logic, in each galaxy there would have to be a Cauldron. Unless the Milky Way is the only galaxy with the privilege of having a galactic cauldron.
Aside from that, according to the time paradox Naoko handled in the Black Moon arc, the reader could think Sailor Cosmos would have to travel to ancient times (not to the present day), and destroy the Cauldron to "save" her future.

By the way, if Sailor Cosmos has so much power, why doesn't she destroy the Cauldron? The reader can't understand all that narrative paraphernalia of "letting Usagi destroy the Cauldron", when she can do it herself. Yes, I get it, after all Sailor Cosmos was created to glorify Usagi.



That annotation is not present in the manga. All the elements of the Milky Way have a past, a present and a future,again, according to the space-time theory used by Naoko in the Black Moon arc. That means that in the future of the 30th century there has to be another Cauldron in the centre of
The preliminary plot plans of Naoko were known to the 90s anime staff due to the blue ray notes mentioning them as well including Galaxia turning completely evil when bracelets are removed although they discarded many of them as well and gave Cosmos' backstory to Galaxia and kept Galaxia changing form after the bracelets are removed.
 
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Galaxia makes it clear her ultimate goal is to watch Sailor Moon and Chaos destroy each other. What happens at the airport doesn't make much sense from a narrative perspective. Galaxia obtains easily the Golden Crystal (equivalent to the Silver Crystal according to Helios). At that very moment, she could've killed Usagi, got the Silver Crystal, and with these two crystals along with the Saffer Crystal, she could have obtained enough power to overcome the entity of Chaos, or that is what she believes. But if that happens, there would be no story to tell.
Have you ever thought that she probably couldn’t do that because only the Sailor Crystal holder themselves can use their Crystal?


In that case, why she doesn't forget more people too? She has a Three Lights poster, she's supposed to be a fan.
Because the Three Lights are relatively unimportant to her in the grand scheme of things? They’re just a band she likes, it’s not that deep.


Yeah, but it was, as I said on another thread, my imagination. The reader always has to be constantly imagining things by reading this comic. There's no an explanation by the author. It contradicts the previous encounters between the Senshis.
So why is it okay when the 90’s anime does it like with the examples I provided above?

The 90’s anime commits the exact same crime as the manga does only in different areas, is it a more egregious crime to you if we don’t get any explanation for new found abilities? If so why?


The concept of the castles has to be developed, because if the girls in the end are princesses and have palaces, Takeuchi as a writer has to explain to us why these girls did not remember that part of their past lives when they recovered their memories, having a meaning within the story beyond being a simple Deus ex machina to transform Usagi into Eternal Sailor Moon.These girls can be princesses and have palaces, but an explanation is needed especially if the intention is to expand the universe and not use the idea only as a simple narrative resource to get from point A to point B.

The Sailor Power Guardians also need her explanation because Takeuchi told us they are the Guardians of the Senshi's powers. These little fairies don't fit in with the way the girls have been getting and increasing their power since Volume 1, unless, again, you press your autopilot button and resort to your imagination. As always.
Did they not already know they were Princesses? Maybe they did and it wasn’t revealed to the audience till Dream.

As for the Power Guardians, rather then obviously just being the physical manifestations of their Sailor Crystals, it’s also quite obvious that they’re mainly used as metaphorical device to represent the strength of each Senshi’s inner self. They have awakened or are at “full power” once the girls each have overcome their own personal insecurities and doubts. (poorely/sparsely written true, but that’s a whole nother story)


Although it is an offshoot of Chaos, it is confusing that a dark being originated in the future is in the present trying to recruit Galaxia. It's another carelessly concept thrown there. The fact that it's a Chaos offshoot, there is not an explanation or any convincing development. It is a sloppy script, any writer with a minimum level of knowledge in this field wouldn't dare to leave such ambiguous clue just for the sake of leaving a clue if they aren't going to tie it up to the main plot later. It seems more like a whim, as if Takeuchi wanted to draw Wiseman at that moment to try to mislead the reader in some way.
Why do you assume Wiseman/Chaos incarnations can’t time travel?


Too easy. The events happen in the centre of the Milky Way. For no apparent reason, when Usagi falls into Lethe's river, Sailor Lethe has the cats. She kills them. Once again, the reader has to imagine that Sailor Lethe, knowing that Sailor Moon was going to pay her a cordial visit, traveled to Earth much faster than Sailor Moon, Kakyuu and company. She killed Tsukino family and caught the cats only to kill them in front of Usagi to give her pseudo-philosophical speech. But then, in the next act, Chibi Moon arrives on the present day, on Earth, right near a swing, and she suddenly knows the ashes she finds on the ground are the cats... It's confusing. Where did Sailor Lethe kill the cats, in Zero Star or on Earth?
First of all Lethe & Mnemosyne are working directly under Galaxia, of course they were anticipating her arrival.

Second of all, I’m pretty sure she killed the cats on Earth and what Usagi was seeing was Lethe presenting her a version of the events in real time in order to traumatize her. (Remember she can manipulate/distort memories so even though she killed the Cats back on Earth, she’s distorting Usagi’s mind to make her believe she killed them in front of her)

It’s vague true, but it’s easy to get/put together if you stop to think about it long enough. A lot of this is mostly contributed to the manga’s super fast pace which frequently doesn’t stop to give you a moment to think and you’re left wondering what just transpired. (Which will be even worse in film format… Which is why a direct 1:1 adaptation was always going to be a problem)


But why would Nehellenia have to go to the future to recruit 4 potential Senshi? That strategic plan has to have a narrative meaning that helps the villain in some way to achieve their goals. Why does Nehellenia have to care about the future, specifically the 30th century?
I never meant to imply that the Quartet we meet in Dream and the ones from Stars are one and the same. It’s obvious the Quartet in Stars are from the 30th Century and the ones Nehellenia awakened are the Quartet of the present who are still awaiting the day when Chibi-Usa becomes a full-fledged Senshi.


In the present day, the characters also died. We have all those people who died at the end of the Dark Kingdom arc, resurrected by Sailor Moon. The Inner Senshi in that same arc, for example. In the XXX century, many people also died and Neo Queen Serenity revived them without further ado.
I forgot about those parts, you got me there. (Though did the Inners even actually die in Dark Kingdom? I remember Naoko complaining on how Classic’s finale was allowed to kill off the girls and she was upset cause she was told she couldn’t)


In the Death Busters arc, the Inners were also killed when Mistress 9 took the Hostie.
Did this actually happen? The only character I recall who actually died/got her Hoste taken in that arc was Chibi-Usa, and that was explained by her being put on life support through Mamoru’s powers.


Hotaru also reincarnated right away.
How do you know Saturn actually died though and didn’t just revert back to a baby after awakening and using her glaive? (Which just might be her thing after using her powers)

Furthermore even if she did, how would we know she didn’t just go through the Cauldron process itself upon coming back as a baby?

The only point I’ll give you here is Usagi being able to revive random dead civilians (did she really though? I don’t remember these parts either) that is directly contradictory to the lore established in Stars about only Sailor Crystal holders being able to reincarnate. I guess the next best explanation I can think of that could potentially fill in the holes of that retcon is that due to the Silver Crystal being the most powerful Sailor Crystal in the universe and it’s natural longevity giving powers, it can also somehow revive even regular Star Seeds if used?

(Sh*ttt you actually just made me think of another plot-hole on my own. If we’re to believe that Sailor Crystal carriers can never truly die and will always reincarnate why is Cosmos so deep in despair to begin with? Shouldn’t she herself know that her friends and family aren’t truly gone and they’ll be back some way or another? Unless Sailor Chaos somehow broke/crushed their Sailor Crystals/Star Seeds, which rendered them unable to go through the Cauldron reincarnation process and/or Cosmos really is an amalgamation of all the Senshi’s Sailor Crystals combined and since she took them into her they no longer exist as separate entities that can reincarnate?)


Takeuchi tells us that Sailor Cosmos comes from the future and is Usagi. But she doesn't apply the space-time laws that she herself applied in the Black Moon arc. The rest is left to the reader's imagination once again. As I have said in another thread, it's a narrative resource the writer can use for a specific purpose. Takeuchi utilised it every second because she's not a writer, she can't write.
Because we’re meant to interpret that rule as only applying to future/past versions of one’s current self/life. Obviously we’re meant to see Cosmos as either a straight up reincarnation (in fact doesn’t the Nelke Myu of Stars straight up say that’s what she is?) or from an alternate timeline/universe, it’s not that hard.

Cosmos is meant to be this mysterious figure who’s true identity and how she relates to Usagi is never directly spelt out, that’s part of the whole appeal Naoko had in mind when designing her, so of course her character is going to ultimately be left up to the reader’s imagination, that’s what almost her entire narrative purpose is.

And yet it’s still pretty easy enough to assume that she’s either A: a reincarnation and not Usagi herself. B: From an alternate timeline/future where Usagi gave into her despair when she was left all alone during her battle with Galaxia and made the decision to take everyone’s Sailor Crystals into her, so she’s not even actually Usagi but all the Solar System combined and Usagi is just her front due to being the most powerful Sailor Crystal of the lot.

How is this easy enough to presume? Simple, just look at her different buns hairstyle and the fact that she’s a Sailor Cosmos, not a “Sailor Moon.” Both give away that while she is a Usagi, she’s not our Usagi and so it makes sense why the time travel rules established in Black Moon about how no two different time period’s of the same person can be in the same area for long wouldn’t apply here.



Unless the Milky Way is the only galaxy with the privilege of having a galactic cauldron.
Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying, because the story takes place in our Milky Way so of course Naoko would place the Cauldron there and make it seem like the center of the universe, that’s just basic common sense.


By the way, if Sailor Cosmos has so much power, why doesn't she destroy the Cauldron? The reader can't understand all that narrative paraphernalia of "letting Usagi destroy the Cauldron", when she can do it herself.
Probably either because she just can’t bring herself to do it or she’s trying to change her own future and spare herself the suffering.

(If you mean why doesn’t she just destroy the Cauldron right then and there when she’s left alone with Usagi? Then probably the former.)



That annotation is not present in the manga. All the elements of the Milky Way have a past, a present and a future,again, according to the space-time theory used by Naoko in the Black Moon arc. That means that in the future of the 30th century there has to be another Cauldron in the centre of the Milky Way. The only place outside those space-time borders would be the space-time corridor where the time gate is located.
It seems pretty obvious to me that the source of existence itself would extend the time-space barrier, since you know it created the very concept itself.

Again I feel like most of your complaints are just nitpicks most readers wouldn’t even pick up on (and are easily explainable with just a little bit of common sense) which is fine, you don’t have to like the manga and it’s within your rights to scrutinize and over analyze it’s short-comings. But I have to wonder why you don’t apply the same energy to the 90’s anime which is just as guilty of many of your complaints? Isn’t that the very blatant definition of a double standard? (Which is fine to have, we all have our biases but at least own up to it. Nobody will be mad if you do, at least I won’t)

Though to be fair the 90’s anime at least had the luxury of going at a slow (sometimes too slow, looking at you SuperS!) and reasonable pace, so any questions that did come up there allowed for the viewer to be able to sit and stew in their own thoughts to come up with an explanation before moving onto the next scene, I could see how that could contribute you to view the manga as especially inconsistent when compared to the 90’s anime. And that is a genuine flaw of the manga I admit, even Naoko has mentioned several times how rushed she was and felt like the manga didn’t live up to it’s full potential. (Which is another reason why the fact she’s the one apparently dictating for Crystal to be such a strict 1:1 adaptation doesn’t make sense)
 
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Have you ever thought that she probably couldn’t do that because only the Sailor Crystal holder themselves can use their Crystal?
Yes, but she says so in one of the panels (don't remember the act) - She will be invincible if she gets to own both Crystals (Silver & Saffer) -. So, not only was Takeuchi making mistakes, she made Galaxia's character swing due to all her improvisations. What means that Galaxia was half cooked when Takeuchi had already started writing the story.

Because the Three Lights are relatively unimportant to her in the grand scheme of things? They’re just a band she likes, it’s not that deep.
But Mamoru is her heart. Usagi & Mamoru bonds are so strong in the manga that it's hard to accept that Usagi can forget such painful experience. It's not well written. And even though, she's got a poster in her room. How long has it been between Act 50 & 51? Enough to remember a huge superstar pop idols whose poster is in her room every day. I said it.... maybe it's a Takeuchi-Assistants bad coordination.... but who knows? It's not, I'll consider it poor writing.

So why is it okay when the 90’s anime does it like with the examples I provided above?

The 90’s anime commits the exact same crime as the manga does only in different areas, is it a more egregious crime to you if we don’t get any explanation for new found abilities? If so why?

Again I feel like most of your complaints are just nitpicks most readers wouldn’t even pick up on (and are easily explainable with just a little bit of common sense) which is fine, you don’t have to like the manga and it’s within your rights to scrutinize and over analyze it’s short-comings. But I have to wonder why you don’t apply the same energy to the 90’s anime which is just as guilty of many of your complaints? Isn’t that the very blatant definition of a double standard? (Which is fine to have, we all have our biases but at least own up to it. Nobody will be mad if you do, at least I won’t)

Though to be fair the 90’s anime at least had the luxury of going at a slow (sometimes too slow, looking at you SuperS!) and reasonable place so any questions that did come up there the allowed for the viewer to be able to sit and stew in their own thoughts to come up with an explanation before moving onto the next scene, I could see how that could contribute you to view the manga as especially inconsistent when compared to the 90’s anime. And that is a genuine flaw of the manga I admit, even Naoko has mentioned several times how rushed she was and felt like the manga didn’t live up to it’s full potential. (Which is another reason why the fact she’s the one apparently dictating for Crystal to be such a strict 1:1 adaptation doesn’t make sense)
I never denied the original anime failures. The difference between I and the manga fans is:

- I accept the original anime flaws.

- Most of the manga fans attack perniciously when anyone points out manga flaws, or even when anyone says a simple "I prefer the 90's anime". I was told they've been doing so since early 2000's. It's as if their lives were depending on the SM manga reputation. Why? I don't know.

I think they first knew Sailor Moon through the 90's anime, but they actually never liked it or never liked Sentai and all the elements that defines it. They only loved the concept. Until they came across the manga, half of them prefer it because of the tone, the other half prefer it because of the art style. None has really analysed the story properly after 20 years.... Sometimes I wonder if they really love it if they haven't dared to delve into it yet.

Did they not already know they were Princesses? Maybe they did and it wasn’t revealed to the audience till Dream.

As for the Power Guardians, rather then obviously just being the physical manifestations of their Sailor Crystals, it’s also quite obvious that they’re mainly used as metaphorical device to represent the strength of each Senshi’s inner self. They have awakened or are at “full power” once the girls each have overcome their own personal insecurities and doubts. (poorely/sparsely written true, but that’s a whole nother story)
If they had known they were princesses they would've known they had their fairies as well. No.... It's another concept Takeuchi made up and instantly implemented in the story without a development.

The Sailor Power Guardians need an explanation. Because even though you're right, they were a metaphorical device.... then Takeuchi turned them into a royal companion / pet at the end. So, no........ There are inconsistencies. Remember that the girls had had magical items too. There would have to have a connection, but.... anyways. Another unexplored concept that resulted in a Deus ex Machina.

Why do you assume Wiseman/Chaos incarnations can’t time travel?
But why it has to be Wiseman? Why not a random shadow? Why a previous villain? It's confusing. It seems like Takeuchi wanted to tell something else with the character but dropped it. Just because.
Instead of that, she should've utilised those couple of pages to tell us how Galaxia obtains the Saffer Crystal and its origins, her true name, etc.

First of all Lethe & Mnemosyne are working directly under Galaxia, of course they were anticipating her arrival.

Second of all, I’m pretty sure she killed the cats on Earth and what Usagi was seeing was Lethe presenting her a version of the events in real time in order to traumatize her. (Remember she can manipulate/distort memories so even though she killed the Cats back on Earth, she’s distorting Usagi’s mind to make her believe she killed them in front of her)

It’s vague true, but it’s easy to get/put together if you stop to think about it long enough. A lot of this is mostly contributed to the manga’s super fast pace which frequently doesn’t stop to give you a moment to think and you’re left wondering what just transpired. (Which will be even worse in film format… Which is why a direct 1:1 adaptation was always going to be a problem)
First, yes, but they didn't know WHEN Usagi was going to arrive.

The rest.... only can be fixed with headcanon and imagination. Poor and confusing writing. I know, manga fans love Lethe and Mnemosyne, due to their one page (5 panels) development... :loltext: but the setting and how the events happen in the river make no sense.

I never meant to imply that the Quartet we meet in Dream and the ones from Stars are one and the same. It’s obvious the Quartet in Stars are from the 30th Century and the ones Nehellenia awakened are the Quartet of the present who are still awaiting the day when Chibi-Usa becomes a full-fledged Senshi.
I didn't have that impression. I've always thought the Sailor Quartet of Stars are the ones who worked for Nehellenia. I bet many believe that until they really begin to think about it and it's when they see the Takeuchi's poor writing emerging.

I forgot about those parts, you got me there. (Though did the Inners even actually die in Dark Kingdom? I remember Naoko complaining on how Classic’s finale was allowed to kill off the girls and she was upset cause she was told she couldn’t)



Did this actually happen? The only character I recall who actually died/got her Hoste taken in that arc was Chibi-Usa, and that was explained by her being put on life support through Mamoru’s powers.



How do you know Saturn actually died though and didn’t just revert back to a baby after awakening and using her glaive? (Which just might be her thing after using her powers)

Furthermore even if she did, how would we know she didn’t just go through the Cauldron process itself upon coming back as a baby?

The only point I’ll give you here is Usagi being able to revive random dead civilians (did she really though? I don’t remember these parts either) that is directly contradictory to the lore established in Stars about only Sailor Crystal holders being able to reincarnate. I guess the next best explanation I can think of that could potentially fill in the holes of that retcon is that due to the Silver Crystal being the most powerful Sailor Crystal in the universe and it’s natural longevity giving powers, it can also somehow revive even regular Star Seeds if used?

(Sh*ttt you actually just made me think of another plot-hole on my own. If we’re to believe that Sailor Crystal carriers can never truly die and will always reincarnate why is Cosmos so deep in despair to begin with? Shouldn’t she herself know that her friends and family aren’t truly gone and they’ll be back some way or another? Unless Sailor Chaos somehow broke/crushed their Sailor Crystals/Star Seeds, which rendered them unable to go through the Cauldron reincarnation process and/or Cosmos really is an amalgamation of all the Senshi’s Sailor Crystals combined and since she took them into her they no longer exist as separate entities that can reincarnate?)
Well, they're supposed to die when the hosties are extracted. If not, here Takeuchi's writing goes again.

Saturn dies, then reincarnates in a blink of an eye. The Cauldron problem resides in the promptness of Takeuchi to introduce it in the story just to give the SM story a closure without thinking the deaths and resurrections that had happened before.

Because we’re meant to interpret that rule as only applying to future/past versions of one’s current self/life. Obviously we’re meant to see Cosmos as either a straight up reincarnation (in fact doesn’t the Nelke Myu of Stars straight up say that’s what she is?) or from an alternate timeline/universe, it’s not that hard.

Cosmos is meant to be this mysterious figure who’s true identity and how she relates to Usagi is never directly spelt out, that’s part of the whole appeal Naoko had in mind when designing her, so of course her character is going to ultimately be left up to the reader’s imagination, that’s what almost her entire narrative purpose is.

And yet it’s still pretty easy enough to assume that she’s either A: a reincarnation and not Usagi herself. B: From an alternate timeline/future where Usagi gave into her despair when she was left all alone during her battle with Galaxia and made the decision to take everyone’s Sailor Crystals into her, so she’s not even actually Usagi but all the Solar System combined and Usagi is just her front due to being the most powerful Sailor Crystal of the lot.

How is this easy enough to presume? Simple, just look at her different buns hairstyle and the fact that she’s a Sailor Cosmos, not a “Sailor Moon.” Both give away that while she is a Usagi, she’s not our Usagi and so it makes sense why the time travel rules established in Black Moon about how no two different time period’s of the same person can be in the same area for long wouldn’t apply here.
Because what Naoko introduced in the story was a lineal time paradox. What affects in the past, affects irremediably in the future. We're not talking about different timelines.

Sailor Cosmos is a mess. She can easily get her goal, she has the power to do it, but at the end of the day she decides not to move a finger, wait for Sailor Moon to do the job, and of course compliment & worship her. Usagi is the true Sailor Cosmos - Cosmos says-. She's marvellous.
Takeuchi's intentions are clear.

But, who cares, almost eveyone loves her because she's beautiful and is the ultimate form of Sailor Moon. As always the aesthetics of the manga are above of the story's quality.............
 
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Yes, but she says so in one of the panels (don't remember the act) - She will be invincible if she gets to own both Crystals (Silver & Saffer) -. So, not only was Takeuchi making mistakes, she made Galaxia's character swing due to all her improvisations. What means that Galaxia was half cooked when Takeuchi had already started writing the story.
Galaxia was originally planned as an incarnation of Chaos, she was originally planned to become Sailor Chaos when her bracelets break but I think Mamoru dying in the plane scenario is more consistent with that scenario and the final manga scenario.

Because what Naoko introduced in the story was a lineal time paradox. What affects in the past, affects irremediably in the future. We're not talking about different timelines.



Sailor Cosmos is a mess. She can easily get her goal, she has the power to do it, but at the end of the day she decides not to move a finger, wait for Sailor Moon to do the job, and of course compliment & worship her. Usagi is the true Sailor Cosmos - Cosmos says-. She's marvellous.

Takeuchi's intentions are clear.



But, who cares, almost eveyone loves her because she's beautiful and is the ultimate form of Sailor Moon. As always the aesthetics of the manga are above of the story's quality.............
I think the timeline of Cosmos is a timeline that existed as a consequence of Sailor Moon upgrading to the Eternal form and defeating Neherenia, the previous timeline where Chibiusa came from was starting to fade and shift in favour of that new timeline.
 
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I was actually excited for Cosmos, but @Lady Pen... was Lady Pen once again. :lol:
I've never read the Stars arc entirely, I didn't know it was a plot hole fest like the Dream arc.
Hope knowing that there's apparently more budget since probably some streaming deal is being negotiated (I think the "cinemas around the world" quote from one of the new VAs doesn't mean much) and the director manifested a desire to expand on stuff, they won't do a 1:1 adaptation. I know it's a daydream, but let's hope.
 
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Naoko making sh*t up as she goes along
That doesn't seem like a good way to write a story. I know this because I'm a writer. As a writer, I'm going to from Naoko's mistakes. That means I won't make [bleep] up as I go along when I write an original story.
 
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But Mamoru is her heart. Usagi & Mamoru bonds are so strong in the manga that it's hard to accept that Usagi can forget such painful experience. It's not well written.
Dude… Have you ever heard of memory suppression? PTSD? Yes it’s extremely common to forget such a traumatizing event that happened right in front of you, even if it is “your most important person.”

Usagi was exhibiting clear signs of PTSD and trauma/memory suppression.


I never denied the original anime failures. The difference between I and the manga fans is:

- I accept the original anime flaws.

- Most of the manga fans attack perniciously when anyone points out manga flaws, or even when anyone says a simple "I prefer the 90's anime". I was told they've been doing so since early 2000's. It's as if their lives were depending on the SM manga reputation. Why? I don't know.

I think they first knew Sailor Moon through the 90's anime, but they actually never liked it or never liked Sentai and all the elements that defines it. They only loved the concept. Until they came across the manga, half of them prefer it because of the tone, the other half prefer it because of the art style. None has really analysed the story properly after 20 years.... Sometimes I wonder if they really love it if they haven't dared to delve into it yet.
Okay yeah I admit hardcore manga stans who praise it to high heaven and consider it a perfect piece of literary art while constantly tagging on the 90’s anime are annoying I admit, but just as annoying is the other way around. (Not saying you in particular do it, just in general) I still firmly believe the 90’s anime and manga both have their strengths and flaws that complement each other, neither one is perfect or will win awards for great writing but on the flip-side neither one is “omg the worst thing EVER!!!” either. They’re enjoyable but flawed kids entertainment with occasional nuggets of profound or interesting writing/concepts mixed in, but neither one was able to live up to it’s full potential and that’s okay I accept that. But then again I consider myself to be a fan of the franchise as a whole not purely a 90’s anime or manga fan, so maybe I just don’t get this whole “version war.” (By all means continue dragging Crystal, or at least early Crystal because that version has little to no redeeming qualities and deserves it)


If they had known they were princesses they would've known they had their fairies as well. No.... It's another concept Takeuchi made up and instantly implemented in the story without a development.
I think it’s implied a Senshi only gains knowledge of their own once they’ve finally reached their full potential, because again, metaphorical device. I doubt them already knowing they’re Princesses has much to do with it.




The Sailor Power Guardians need an explanation. Because even though you're right, they were a metaphorical device.... then Takeuchi turned them into a royal companion / pet at the end. So, no........ There are inconsistencies. Remember that the girls had had magical items too. There would have to have a connection, but.... anyways. Another unexplored concept that resulted in a Deus ex Machina.
Personally to me, much more egregious than the Power Guardians were Moon and Chibi-Moon’s Kaleidoscopes that Mamoru bought for them at some random fair, just gaining the ability to talk and be used as weapons out of nowhere, now that’s bad writing!


But why it has to be Wiseman? Why not a random shadow? Why a previous villain? It's confusing. It seems like Takeuchi wanted to tell something else with the character but dropped it. Just because.
Instead of that, she should've utilised those couple of pages to tell us how Galaxia obtains the Saffer Crystal and its origins, her true name, etc.
True I agree but I think she was trying to foreshadow what an all encompassing presence Chaos is and how it’s always orchestrating something in the background.

Honestly a lot of the manga’s issues could’ve been solved if it was just way longer and actually fleshed stuff out. I don’t think it’s necessarily so much bad/inconsistent writing on the part of Naoko as much as it is limited page time and the breakneck pace the manga is going at. (But then again I’ve never read Naoko’s other works outside of Sailor Moon/Sailor V so maybe this is a consistent issue her writing has even when she has all the time in the world to take it slow and isn’t being put under pressure)


I know, manga fans love Lethe and Mnemosyne, due to their one page (5 panels) development... :loltext: but the setting and how the events happen in the river make no sense.
No one’s claiming they’re Shakespeare just that when compared to all the rest of the nothing villains Naoko has written they’re certainly some of the higher-tier ones, and so stand out. (The others being Galaxia, Beryl, Kaitou Ace and Black Lady if she counts. Nehellenia, The Shittenou, Quartet, Tin Nyanko and Siren are only interesting for their lore, Rubeus and Hawks-Eye have fairly amusing personalities, and Demande and Tomoe are adequate representations of some of the worst vices of humanity, even if they’re largely caricatures and characterization-less otherwise. The rest are completely throwaway.)


Well, they're supposed to die when the hosties are extracted.
Did they ever get their Hosties extracted though? I don’t recall that, I thought only Chibi-Usa did?


Sailor Cosmos is a mess. She can easily get her goal, she has the power to do it, but at the end of the day she decides not to move a finger, wait for Sailor Moon to do the job, and of course compliment & worship her. Usagi is the true Sailor Cosmos - Cosmos says-. She's marvellous.
Takeuchi's intentions are clear.
But isn’t Usagi ultimately just as much worshipped in the 90’s anime? Just in a different way.

Galaxia in the 90’s anime sort of serves as a stand in for Cosmos’s role also just to glorify Usagi, so why is it okay there but not here?
 
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That rule probably only applies to past/future selves from this current lifetime/timeline. Cosmos is very obviously either a reincarnation or from a bad end alternate timeline, why would she vanish if she’s not technically the same person as Usagi? (Especially if we consider the theory that she’s the amalgamation of all the Solar System’s Sailor Crystals merged into one being and not solely Usagi.)
I think the case between Usagi and Cosmos is like Galaxia and the Light of Hope in the anime, her status as a senshi makes her an exception to the rules of the Cosmos.
Or Cosmos is from the current timeline, while Chibiusa is from the old timeline and that timeline is slowly disappearing,