Disney's attempt to adapt Sailor Moon

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I'm not racist, I have a sister in law that's black and a nephew that's biracial.
Having black family members doesn’t mean you can’t still be racist. People need to stop thinking that’s a sound argument

All I'm trying to say is that Disney made a woke move by blackwashing Ariel just cause diversity.
Blackwashing is not a thing. Black people do not have systemic privilege.
The reason whitewashing in media is a thing because minorities are historically underrepresented and misrepresented in media. Trying to equate a traditionally white character being changed black to a traditionally black character being made white or a queer character being turned straight in unbelievably tone deaf.

This Halle Bailey chick can't even sing. If Ariel has to be black why couldn't they have gotten someone talented to play Ariel like Zendaya.
She can but even if she couldn’t lack of singing talent didn’t stop Disney from casting Emma Watson as Belle.

Also you probably should have focused on that instead of jumping to “movie will be bad because black Ariel but I’m not racist I swear”
 
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I'm not racist, I have a sister in law that's black and a nephew that's biracial. All I'm trying to say is that Disney made a woke move by blackwashing Ariel just cause diversity. This Halle Bailey chick can't even sing. If Ariel has to be black why couldn't they have gotten someone talented to play Ariel like Zendaya? And yes I agree about Jafar they turned him into a pussy.
And the actor is ugly/have bad acting.

Also even the anime version changed the ending, turned the sea witch and human princess into villains.
 
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Having black family members doesn’t mean you can’t still be racist. People need to stop thinking that’s a sound argument
She is white in the story, why should they do race swapping? Should black characters be played by white actors?

Blackwashing is not a thing. Black people do not have systemic privilege.
The reason whitewashing in media is a thing because minorities are historically underrepresented and misrepresented in media. Trying to equate a traditionally white character being changed black to a traditionally black character being made white or a queer character being turned straight in unbelievably tone deaf.
It is unless you have DOUBLE standards.

If ppl truly respect black ppl, they should make their own story/character than race swapping. Like if you want to respect Chinese ppl you should make Mulan, not to race swap other princesses. That is how you want to represent ppl well. As a Chinese American I absolutely hate those stupid race swapping, we don't want to be represented by those faces, and WHO are they to speak for us?

The Mermaid is white in the fairy tale, period. If you don't like it, don't adapt the story and make your own.


She can but even if she couldn’t lack of singing talent didn’t stop Disney from casting Emma Watson as Belle.

Also you probably should have focused on that instead of jumping to “movie will be bad because black Ariel but I’m not racist I swear”
She couldn't act, and she does not resemble the character at all.

Emma was a bad cast doesn't make up for this one.
 
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Interesting first thread for me to post in, other than my intro post. I'm glad Disney never got the chance to do a live-action movie or any adaptation for that matter. They have a tendency to meddle with things too much, whether it's story-related or aesthetics. I will only touch on the topic of race long enough to point out that the characters were written as Japanese (though people tend to see them through nationally-biased lenses), and I feel they should stay that Japanese. Just like in Bleach, where Sado is of mixed race (Japanese-Mexican), and should stay that way. I love diversity, and if a piece is written with diversity from the beginning, great. Race is unimportant in this context, but continuity is.
 
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And no the Aladdin movie was terrible. The songs especially Prince Ali were god awful recreations of the original, the original song “Speechless” clashes so badly with the rest of the songs and sounds like a generic new 10’s power anthem pop song, they turned Aladdin into a self centered asshole, created a new female character so Genie could have a love interest, made Jafar lame, and they genuinely thought having Jafar make Iago into a bigger bird was somehow an acceptable substitute for Jafar turning a cobra, and they changed it so Aladdin doesn’t save the day by being clever but the day is saved because the Genie deliberately misinterpreted a wish.

But I didn’t go into Aladdin expecting to hate it. Deciding to hate The Little Mermaid because of a race change is plain stupid and pretty racist if I’m being honest
No the song is quite good.

Aladdin was fine and Princess Jasmine got improvement. Even in the tale she was tough and helped against the wizard. The cast and sing was fine especially Jasmine. Other than Jafar could use someone else.

What you criticized about the ending was what happened in the animate movie, which they tricked Jafar into a genie.
 
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Emma Watson's main problem was not her looks or singing, but her acting lack of Belle's feeling and chemistry. She does look like Emma at least not too bad.

The Little Mermaid's actress does not resemble the character at all, nor doe she have acting. Such movies need a good cast first then with ok acting since nobody came for plot, we all know the story well.
 
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Regarding Goku of DBZ since adaptations are talked about here, I think Jackie Chan was perfect to be him because he was Goku's model, I just wonder if an adaptation of DBZ is done now who is perfect now to act as him, the one who played him in Evolution does not even fit.

I think a western Sailor Moon adaptation of Sailor Moon should have a white Sailor Moon I think to be the least.
 
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I think a Black Ariel is perfectly fine. First of all, her race isn't important. She's a mermaid and as far as most of can see, mermaids don't even exist so her being black isn't an issue.

Now I grew up on the Disney version of course but appreciate the new take.

We know that the original mermaid tale was very dark but was changed so I dont see how making Ariel black is a problem.

In fact, she can be Asian, Latina, and more. I think all girls should see themselves represented as a character.

She is white in the story, why should they do race swapping? The Mermaid is white in the fairy tale, period. If you don't like it, don't adapt the story and make your own.
???

Tell that to Disney....

The mermaid dies in the "original" fairytale before Disney adapted it and made it their own and made her much more popular.

Same with Cinderella and even Snow White. The stories were far more darker than what Disney brought forth and on top that...there is a version of Cinderella for like literally every country already adapated.

Sailor Moon herself gives way to a Romeo and Juliette cop out in the Dark Kingdom arc which wasn't created in Japan and we know she borrows a lot from other sources and adapts them to her story.

Also, these fairy tale works were produced so long ago the copyright is pretty much gone. Not to mention, none of these characters are bound by any rule that says they have to be a certain race, plus Disney has rights to "their" own version of the story and can do what they want with it and cast who they want as they see fit.

Disney was founded in America, a country with a diverse group of citizens, some are idiotic, but still a diverse country nonetheless. Im not going to even say White, but "fair-skin" is not the only color here nor is the color of superiority. It's just another shade of human.

Ariel is a mermaid, her skin color is irrelevant. She's still a mermaid and the story can be told regardless of her skin color as long as she stays a mermaid. The Little Mermaid, not The Little White Mermaid.

To be honest, all countries/races "borrow" from one another and make things their "own" or put a spin on it and that shouldn't be a problem.

Rap/Hip Hop was created and carried out by black culture but is/has been extremely popular in South Korea right down to the urban style of black people.

Blacks and Asians have a history of this. Ever heard of the black hip hop group called Wu Tang Clan?

I mean we all adapt things from each other at some point and as long as it's not done out of disrespect, I see no issue. This happens all the time with movies, cartoons, music, and so on.

One thing I have seen and like to observe is the reaction toward certain characters if they were a different race.

Like how would people respond to a Black Sailor Moon or a Hispanic Goku.

An American version of Sailor Moon with a diverse cast is fine in my eyes but how they choose to diversify them will be the eyebrow raise.

Sailor Jupiter should be Black? Why? Because Jupiter is regarded as the "tough" one and people associate Black people or women as being a tomboy with attitudes ready to fight? Pfft, there are plenty of Black Sailor Venus' out there.

I think some people low key don't like to see other races represented as powerful, prospering characters and want them to stay in a box.
 
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I think a Black Ariel is perfectly fine. First of all, her race isn't important. She's a mermaid and as far as most of can see, mermaids don't even exist so her being black isn't an issue.

Now I grew up on the Disney version of course but appreciate the new take.

We know that the original mermaid tale was very dark but was changed so I dont see how making Ariel black is a problem.

In fact, she can be Asian, Latina, and more. I think all girls should see themselves represented as a character.
So is it ok to cast a white actress to play a black princess (Tiana)?

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Tell that to Disney....

The mermaid dies in the "original" fairytale before Disney adapted it and made it their own and made her much more popular.
Sorry it's not the case, the majority of the ppl still know the original version much more than the Disney adaption. Little Mermaid was far much more famous than you know.

Same with Cinderella and even Snow White. The stories were far more darker than what Disney brought forth and on top that...there is a version of Cinderella for like literally every country already adapated.
Not really.

Sailor Moon herself gives way to a Romeo and Juliette cop out in the Dark Kingdom arc which wasn't created in Japan and we know she borrows a lot from other sources and adapts them to her story.
Yes and it's called Sailor Moon, not Romeo and Juliette, when they make R&J adaptation they follow the original background you know?

Also, these fairy tale works were produced so long ago the copyright is pretty much gone. Not to mention, none of these characters are bound by any rule that says they have to be a certain race, plus Disney has rights to "their" own version of the story and can do what they want with it and cast who they want as they see fit.

Disney was founded in America, a country with a diverse group of citizens, some are idiotic, but still a diverse country nonetheless. Im not going to even say White, but "fair-skin" is not the only color here nor is the color of superiority. It's just another shade of human.
Then why ppl get mad when white play black?

Ariel is a mermaid, her skin color is irrelevant. She's still a mermaid and the story can be told regardless of her skin color as long as she stays a mermaid. The Little Mermaid, not The Little White Mermaid.
Sorry that is, that is Danish fairy tale, which was made clear in the story that she is white. You don't change it just you don't make Storm or Vixen white.

To be honest, all countries/races "borrow" from one another and make things their "own" or put a spin on it and that shouldn't be a problem.

Rap/Hip Hop was created and carried out by black culture but is/has been extremely popular in South Korea right down to the urban style of black people.

Blacks and Asians have a history of this. Ever heard of the black hip hop group called Wu Tang Clan?
Yes but they name it to their own, when China shoot Soviet novel adaptations, they used a full white cast.

Nor do we want to see Mulan played by Black or white actors.


I mean we all adapt things from each other at some point and as long as it's not done out of disrespect, I see no issue. This happens all the time with movies, cartoons, music, and so on.

One thing I have seen and like to observe is the reaction toward certain characters if they were a different race.
True, but pls change it to your stuff/story. Just like Japanese anime adaptations follow the original setting when they meant it.
 
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So is it ok to cast a white actress to play a black princess (Tiana)?
Tiana is the ONLY black princess. Her story is based in New Orleans but her story is still based off another fairy tale of German origins so it really wouldn't matter if they made her white or black. She's also the ONLY princess who remains an animal during most of her film....She's also the only princess who had a job...

She, along with Pocahontas, Moana, and Jasmine are the only "dark skinned" princesses. That's fine though. It gives some room for diversity.

Anyways, Disney can do it if they want, too. As I mentioned before, the story of Cinderella has been told using a variety of girls with many different backgrounds in lots of different cultures.


Sorry it's not the case, the majority of the ppl still know the original version much more than the Disney adaption. Little Mermaid was far much more famous than you know.
I'm not talking about it being known, I'm talking about popularity. When was the last "original" Danish story made by anyone? Disney made the Little Mermaid what it is today. It's more than knowing, it's also seeing too. And not to mention...the little mermaid still dies in the Danish fairy tale and the story isn't exactly happy or family friendly ... Disney popularized the Little Mermaid and continue to make profit off it. Disney may have had their ways in the past which I won't go into detail about but they make good films.

Under The Sea sing along > Danish mermaid suicidal murder story...


Lol, I understand most folks are "desensitized" these days but those older fairy tales were cautionary tales and were violent, depressing or both.


Yes and it's called Sailor Moon, not Romeo and Juliette, when they make R&J adaptation they follow the original background you know?
Are you trolling or something? You have to be... either that or you haven't seen very many movies (American movies). There are a ton of Romeo & Juliette inspired films including one with Jet Li and Aaliyah called Romeo Must Die...an Asian man and Black woman character are the leads..or films like Warms Bodies... which is a zombie version of Romeo and Juliette. I think the thing I was trying to say was that Naoko borrows a lot from other things and the story of Sailor Moon isn't THAT original...



Then why ppl get mad when white play black?
Once again there have been white people who have played black characters but also keep in mind that during times of slavery white racists portrayed black people as the character knoen as Blackface to mock dark skinned people as dumb, poor, clowns.

You might not be too knowledgeable about different films because there have been years upon years where White people have played Black characters and much more form Egyptian characters (Cleopatra), they've played Native Americans, Hispanics and even Asian characters in American cinema. It's not just Black but folks in general are tired of it. The media has a long history of making White right and dark Doom.


Sorry that is, that is Danish fairy tale, which was made clear in the story that she is white. You don't change it just you don't make Storm or Vixen white.
Read my post above. White people have been doing this for a lot of years before you or I were even born... The Storm and Vixen comparison is not all that relevant but.... in that case should the Little Mermaid be played by a Danish character too now and not an American actress or is it fine just as long as her skin is "white?"


Yes but they name it to their own, when China shoot Soviet novel adaptations, they used a full white cast.

Nor do we want to see Mulan played by Black or white actors.
What's wrong with a diverse cast though in the first place in American media, a diverse country?? If a film is being adapted for an American audience they are going to follow things Americans can culturally understand and relate to. Same for places overseas, like China. We all know that this is not just an "American" thing.

American movies are heavily censored or altered for the international market in some overseas places, especially China.

For instance, the Tibetan character was changed into a white female character, Tilda Swanson, in the Doctor Strange movie because the Chinese government wouldn't allow it to be screened in the country with a powerful Tibetan character in the forefront... I'm not so hung up on a characters skin color or ethnicity to be honest. I love all races as long as they are genuine people.

I do know that in other parts of the world, dark skinned is looked down upon as inferior and when I see comments mentioning about why a character is changed to Black...I just ask, "Why not?"

And once again, the original Danish story was created so long ago it can be created in lots of ways, just like stories that incorporate Greek gods, monsters, and more...and American isn't the only country that does this.
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[QUOTE="Slowpokeking, post: 950673, member: 12637]True, but pls change it to your stuff/story. Just like Japanese anime adaptations follow the original setting when they meant it.[/QUOTE]
That is Japan. In America we are allowed freedom of expression to do things creatively to a much more diverse audience racially. Yes, we have some goofballs over here who are racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and much more but they are the minority to be honest. As long as it is respectful, I dont believe we need to be stopped for freedom of expression or to tell stories in ways others can feel included... Diversity is prosperity.
 

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TBH, I'm repeatedly amazed at how something trivial as the Casting Decisions on a piece of Mainstream Media can deterioate into a general Multi-Paragraph Rant about Race, Religion, Sexual Orientation or Whathaveyounot and Societal Oppression based on them over and over again. Well, 'good' for those persons in question that they're so passionately engaged, but still, I thought such serious and highly-debated political topics weren't allowed on here. :|

P. S.: Really now, Folks...


And a Picard Facepalm is actually the mildest form of reaction I could think of right now...
 
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Tiana is actually not the only Black Disney Princess. She isn't even the first. It is a shame that people forget about Kida from Atlantis. I know Atlantis wasn't a huge hit like Princess and the Frog but I liked the movie and I liked Kida I thought she was very beautiful and reminded me of another one of my favorite Black and actually a Black African character Marvel's Storm who she very much resembles.

That being said I would absolutely like for Disney to pull from many other African fairy tales and folktales.
 
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Tiana is the ONLY black princess. Her story is based in New Orleans but her story is still based off another fairy tale of German origins so it really wouldn't matter if they made her white or black. She's also the ONLY princess who remains an animal during most of her film....She's also the only princess who had a job...

She, along with Pocahontas, Moana, and Jasmine are the only "dark skinned" princesses. That's fine though. It gives some room for diversity.

Anyways, Disney can do it if they want, too. As I mentioned before, the story of Cinderella has been told using a variety of girls with many different backgrounds in lots of different cultures.
Then WHY not create more black princess rather than doing the race swap?

Yes the story of Cinderella has been told differently, but when we do the actual Cinderella story, we don't use others' adaptation.



I'm not talking about it being known, I'm talking about popularity. When was the last "original" Danish story made by anyone? Disney made the Little Mermaid what it is today. It's more than knowing, it's also seeing too. And not to mention...the little mermaid still dies in the Danish fairy tale and the story isn't exactly happy or family friendly ... Disney popularized the Little Mermaid and continue to make profit off it. Disney may have had their ways in the past which I won't go into detail about but they make good films.

Under The Sea sing along > Danish mermaid suicidal murder story...
No, there are quite a few Japanese anime adaptation which follow the original plot. Littler Mermaid NEVER relied on Disney to be famous or keep alive. Sorry.

The tragic ending was great, and it's a shame that they changed it.


Lol, I understand most folks are "desensitized" these days but those older fairy tales were cautionary tales and were violent, depressing or both.
Not really, other than some minor plot which was not kid friendly, it was fine and if you pay attention, some of the anime adaptation showed it.


Are you trolling or something? You have to be... either that or you haven't seen very many movies (American movies). There are a ton of Romeo & Juliette inspired films including one with Jet Li and Aaliyah called Romeo Must Die...an Asian man and Black woman character are the leads..or films like Warms Bodies... which is a zombie version of Romeo and Juliette. I think the thing I was trying to say was that Naoko borrows a lot from other things and the story of Sailor Moon isn't THAT original...
Yes it's not the actual version of R&J, just inspiration or satire.

It's like story based on Hamlet doesn't have to be humans(Lion King), but if you do the actual adaptation, you need to follow it.




Once again there have been white people who have played black characters but also keep in mind that during times of slavery white racists portrayed black people as the character knoen as Blackface to mock dark skinned people as dumb, poor, clowns.

You might not be too knowledgeable about different films because there have been years upon years where White people have played Black characters and much more form Egyptian characters (Cleopatra), they've played Native Americans, Hispanics and even Asian characters in American cinema. It's not just Black but folks in general are tired of it. The media has a long history of making White right and dark Doom.
Cleopatra is the descendant of Greeks, of course she is white, of course she should be played by white actors.

Yes those others were seen, and it was not right. Then why do the same thing? Why not use actors to play what they should be?



Read my post above. White people have been doing this for a lot of years before you or I were even born... The Storm and Vixen comparison is not all that relevant but.... in that case should the Little Mermaid be played by a Danish character too now and not an American actress or is it fine just as long as her skin is "white?"
Yes, they need to look like what the tale described.



What's wrong with a diverse cast though in the first place in American media, a diverse country?? If a film is being adapted for an American audience they are going to follow things Americans can culturally understand and relate to. Same for places overseas, like China. We all know that this is not just an "American" thing.

American movies are heavily censored or altered for the international market in some overseas places, especially China.

For instance, the Tibetan character was changed into a white female character, Tilda Swanson, in the Doctor Strange movie because the Chinese government wouldn't allow it to be screened in the country with a powerful Tibetan character in the forefront... I'm not so hung up on a characters skin color or ethnicity to be honest. I love all races as long as they are genuine people.

I do know that in other parts of the world, dark skinned is looked down upon as inferior and when I see comments mentioning about why a character is changed to Black...I just ask, "Why not?"

And once again, the original Danish story was created so long ago it can be created in lots of ways, just like stories that incorporate Greek gods, monsters, and more...and American isn't the only country that does this.
Because you don't things to just create diversity, you want diversity, you need to respect other ppl's culture and do their own story. Not lazy race swapping ppl, we don't want it nor do we like it. We want to see Mulan and other Chinese legends made into movies, not to race swap ppl into Asian(and those faces).

As for Little Mermaid, she is white and has been long accepted for hundreds of years, we don't want to see her get race swap, simple.


That is Japan. In America we are allowed freedom of expression to do things creatively to a much more diverse audience racially. Yes, we have some goofballs over here who are racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and much more but they are the minority to be honest. As long as it is respectful, I dont believe we need to be stopped for freedom of expression or to tell stories in ways others can feel included... Diversity is prosperity.
In Japan they allow to have actual freedom rather than these "rules".

Ok I'm done here.
 
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I think she actually looks like Ariel, her face and smile. Of course I was a bit surprised at first, but she will look great. I just hope the white-washing won't be to bad. Go for it, don't give her red hair and blue contact. Just keep her as natural and possible. Her being African American won't change anything about the story. I am happy they went with a less known actress as well this time. Plus in my opinion she can sing beautifully. I hope it won't take 10 years. And I think it will work great. I know people are harping on Ariel character, but I hope they won't change it too much.

As gor the creativity, low a bit the big American ego, guys.:)
 
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. And I think it will work great. I know people are harping on Ariel character, but I hope they won't change it too much.

As gor the creativity, low a bit the big American ego, guys.:)
They will. Disney’s live action remakes have all been about the faux woke buzzfeed brand of #GirlBoss diet feminism.

I want this remake to be good but Disney’s track record so far has been uhhh Jungle Book was aight I guess
 
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I think she actually looks like Ariel, her face and smile. Of course I was a bit surprised at first, but she will look great. I just hope the white-washing won't be to bad. Go for it, don't give her red hair and blue contact. Just keep her as natural and possible. Her being African American won't change anything about the story. I am happy they went with a less known actress as well this time. Plus in my opinion she can sing beautifully. I hope it won't take 10 years. And I think it will work great. I know people are harping on Ariel character, but I hope they won't change it too much.

As gor the creativity, low a bit the big American ego, guys.:)
They can easily pick someone who looks like Ariel or Little Mermaid and can act well.

Russians in 70s knew how to pick their Little Mermaid


Japan in 70s handle the story better and more faithful than Disney

 
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They will. Disney’s live action remakes have all been about the faux woke buzzfeed brand of #GirlBoss diet feminism.

I want this remake to be good but Disney’s track record so far has been uhhh Jungle Book was aight I guess
I cannot see much room for a change as they claim it will be a faithful remake. Unpopular opinion, as much as I dislike the actual film, the did Jasmine well, added something on her without changing the essence.
 
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Disney has made their decision and it will remain as is and people will get over it. They have the option to watch the new remake or watch another version to their liking.

Better yet, the original story written by the original author is no longer under copyrightit is "in public domain" so if someone wants a full fledged version of the original, they are free to produce and make it how they see fit as long as it's not like the Disney version.

Disney took a lot of liberties with Hans Christian Andersen’s original version of “The Little Mermaid,” when it was first created and now they are taking even more liberties. Good job, Disney.

This is a fairy tale and it can be whatever they want their version to be because it is a fantastical story, yet the theme of the story will still be universal.

Keep in mind though, this is a live action version and not animated so the animated Ariel Princess is not changing.

Just like the live action version of Cinderella featuring a Black cast didn't change the animated princess.

Though not the case for everyone, there are quite a few people who object to Ariel being Black simply because they don't like seeing individuals of color in exalted positions in the media. Then when it's time to confront the ignorance, the long list of irrelevant excuses pour out.

I dont want this thread to be locked but I'd like to say I’m glad Disney has taken steps to make sure the next generation of little girls — black, white, Latina, or Asian — will be able to see themselves as popular characters Disney Princesses to Power Rangers and much more.

As for the Sailor Moon x Disney, I am more concerned about the age of the girls, their outfits, and the actresses overall acting ability. Writing the story should be no issue since its not too complex.

I know the special effects and costumes would be good.

If they made an animated version of Sailor Moon she would join the line-up of Disney Princesses and that would be cool to see in a way. I'm sure her popularity would surge even more with younger audiences since Disney Princesses make more than 3 billion in buck international merchandise sales.
 
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Disney can make their decision and ppl have the rights to not agree with it. They didn't create the character/fairy tale and it didn't become famous because of them, not at all.

I dont want this thread to be locked but I'd like to say I’m glad Disney has taken steps to make sure the next generation of little girls — black, white, Latina, or Asian — will be able to see themselves as popular characters Disney Princesses to Power Rangers and much more.
If Disney really want to do it, they have to adapt these groups' own culture and characters, not to race swap a European fairy tale of a white character(which was made clear in the story). A lot of these ppl have expressed such idea. We don't need stupid race swap to show diversity and representation.
 
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