- Jun 17, 2019
Haruka is even shown to have a hatred of drag queens which is found no where in the series
Mamoru had many moments to leave Usagi and he never does even when it would be better off of him to do so.
Plus I would argue given that she has almost lost Mamoru many times due to a villain kidnapping him or death this could be a trauma response from that.
Also Mamoru is a hot guy so there is nothing wrong with women falling over themselves for him.
90s Chibiusa has a child like crush on Mamoru no different then many kids who say they want to "marry" their parents because they idealize them. Even this scene is just a silly version of that with Chibiusa kissing his picture and wiggling her butt. She dosen't literally want to marry him as an adult and to be honest at this time she really dosen't see Mamoru as her father or Usagi as her mother. She knows this rationally but because they are younger then they were from Crystal Tokyo and different from the people they grew into being she dosen't relate to them quite on the same level.
He agreed to go out with Rei but again it showed he had no real chemistry with her unlike his relationship with Usagi.
Now he was uncomfortable with Usagi and En fighting over him but he showed feelings for Usagi in that arc it just made him uncomfortable when they would show out in public.
Plus he was actually very friendly and even showed romantic interest in Usagi
Which he wasn't even against going out with Usagi in the Makai Tree arc
Again Esmeraude and Mimette basically thought that Mamoru was hot and it went no where from there. That is hardly evidence of unrequited love or pursuit. I find lots of guys I meet even ones that become friends hot like that but it isn't a crush or love it is just lust at best and lust is fleeting or it can be fleeting.
Again Mamoru saying that Usagi has alot of dreams isn't a bad reason for why he loves her and ties into the themes of the season.
Also by that logic if you saw you love someone based on any quality it dosen't matter because anyone else on the planet could have the same qualities.
He has also stated that he loves Usagi because she is kind, caring, dedicated etc
Again just because Ikuhara makes many characters gay dosen't mean they are all gay and Fiore's relationship was more ambiguous you could say it is just his child like attachment to his friend.
Again if you can acknowledge that Saphir has feelings for Demande, why can’t you do the same for Fiore with Mamoru?
Why do even the Inners think Fiore’s feelings for Mamoru are romantic?
Also they didn't cut out Beryl's love for Mamoru that was a huge plot point in the first season
again why are you triggered by Mamoru having many people persueing him. You sound jealous.
It showcases the male-gazey aspect of the 90’s anime writing and and how they turned Mamoru into an almost Gary-Stu who’s the most wanted character in the show!
Honestly you are probably so used to that Tsundere stuff and your weird feminist politics you probably have an aversion to chivalry even thougfh that is how most women want to be treated.
Now UsaMamo could‘ve been this fun, mutual tsundere type like they had back in Classic and Makai Tree but they ended up ruining it because 1. Mamoru totally does a complete about face after R and turns into this openly affectionate, calm and stoic chivalrous Prince Charming who indulges Usagi and never gets angry at her again, and 2. Even back in Classic their dynamic didn’t feel like a true mutual tsundere back and forth because Mamoru rarely got riled up and was deliberately teasing Usagi out of place of smugness/mocking.
Ironically enough I only like this type of relationship in fiction and want more of a guy like Kunzite as a boyfriend in real life, I just find it more entertaining and exciting to watch.
Plus there is nothing wrong with the destined lover ship. In fact the idea of 2 people in love with each other so much it crosses multiple lives is beautiful
Even the mangaka was self-aware enough to know that despite her shipping and writing about destined soulmates from before birth, most people find that trope cringe and so she had the good sense to joke about it by having the boys in the panel react that way.
I bet you were also one of those people who found Jacob’s imprinting on Renesmee as his soulmate when she was just a baby in Twilight unironically romantic and “beautiful” too huh?
That is why for instance Lakshmi and Vishnu always find each other as does Parvati and Shiva. In fact Parvati asks to be Lord Shiva's wife in all of their lives and She is. Parvati and Shiva are even seen as a model couple and to be emulated for married couples.
It’s why the Sen/Shi shipping didn’t work out in Crystal either, you can’t just tell us a couple loved each other so much in a previous lives that their souls somehow managed to find their way back to each other without showing it.
To be able to buy into a ship as huge a deal as reincarnated soulmates you have to really build up and sell the audience on why this love is so significant that it even extends lifetimes, or else it just comes off looking as contrived and half-assed.
Usagi and Mamoru's bond is the same way and in the first season they did grow to like one another and by the Rainbow Crystals arc even exchanged flirty banter and grew closer as Mamoru and Usagi.
but dosen't love him romantically just as a brother at best. So their feelings were not organic and grew over time unlike Usagi and Mamoru's.
On one of your previous ideas Sailor Moon is not a deconstruction of the magical girl series. It innovates but dosen't deconstruct.
Hell even Classic had shades of this when all the Inners got killed and in the finale and Usagi wishes that they were never Magical Girls in the first place and wants her normal life back rather than a fairytale magical life and the series original ending was supposed to reflect this - that’s a deconstruction.
Again Mamoru is not personalityless nor is he portrayed as just an accessory to Usagi.
Hell I would argue that Yousuke is by the same standards equally an "extension" of Momoko by your standards as Mamoru is.
She does though Kagome gets pieces and flashes of her former life back.
Also Usagi is the same as Princess Serenity. The 90s anime series says as much.
. Did you forget on said episode even though Usagi has no experience in ice skating that she is able when fighting Zoyrin Gellar able to do a very complicated Ice Skating move and flip in the air? Showing she has great potential to be every bit as great a ice skater as Makoto if she practices.
Also Kagome is jealous of Kikyo because this aspect of herself is separated and made manifest in the world. It is no different how the Moonlight Knight is an aspect of Mamoru's subconscious or how we see Sailor Mercury and Sailor Saturn manifest as aspects of Ami and Hotaru's subconscious in Sailor Moon SuperS and Sailor Moon Sailor Stars but they are all the same person. The witch Urasue even had to get Kagome to separate Kikyo from Kagome. I would even argue it is like that episode of The Secret of Alex Mack when Alex is separated into good and evil versions of herself but it is all still her just different aspects and sides of herself.
Also that is nonsense the entire video shows Usagi making a complete ass out of herself stalking Mamoru and Rei when Rei starts dating him and dosen't stop at all.
Also Rei does for a while not break up with Mamoru but later on she knows he truly does love Usagi and eventually chooses to let her have him. Plus she pretty much knows that Usagi has her heart and they have way more chemistry then she ever did with him.
Need I remind you she gives him up to Usagi both after their past lives are revealed and while Mamoru was turned evil by the Dark Kingdom. How would she know what Mamoru’s true feelings for Usagi were during that time period?
Also Mamoru and Usagi I would argue bickered the same way that Rei and Usagi did and Usagi may have acted like she hated Mamoru and vice versa but you can tell they actually liked one another. In fact Usagi and Rei also stated before that they hated each other when they fought though they didn't mean it. At one point Usagi even called Rei a dirty lying tramp.
Where as with Inuyasha and Kagome they don't become best friends. They have the same love/hate relationship with some moments of general kindness and Kagome basically treats Inuyasha like a disobedient pet.
Also they’re very casual and comfortable around each other through the rest of the series, something that never happened with UsaMamo even during their more friendlier period during the Makai Tree arc.
Also Mamoru didn't treat Usagi like an annoying stalker in the Makai Tree arc. You honestly seem like you never watched the series.
Sure looks like he found her as an annoying stalker to me!
Except it was shown that Usagi and Mamoru both blushed from their encounter after the finale of Classic
It is also when Usagi gave him the Orgel again in the finale that healed Mamoru's more intense Queen Metalia infused brainwashing
The Silver Crystal didn't even do that rather their shared love did as symbolized by the Orgel
She said and noticed it first, not me.
Also Mamoru never grounds Usagi. He just says they won't go on dates while she is trying to get up her grades.
Honestly Haruka and Michiru are being daring and counter culture by just having their flirtatious banner. That would be taboo in Japan even if they weren't a same sex couple and just kissing out in public would be even worse.
Hell even KunZoi, a gay couple, are more openly affectionate.
Hell in Japan even saying I Love You isn't common like it is in the West with couples going much of their relationship without saying it because it isn't seen as necessary as you show people you love them you don't say it.
Also Demand dosen't have a good heart. He might have a potential to be a good person but you don't do the malevolent [BLEEP] Demand does including attempted rape or throwing your brother against the wall and have a good heart.
Also Demand dosen't love Saphir for who he is. He loves him as a brother but his true desires are elsewhere.
- She’s Princess Serenity
- “She has a lot of dreams”
- “It feels wonderful to be with her”
- She can give him a family and identity and fills the empty void in his heart.
and even in the R movie he states she helped him come out of his shell and is the first person to have him bring out the full aspects of his personality not just what is expected of him.
No, all he said in the R movie was that he loves her because he doesn’t feel lonely anymore since she gives him a family. (Which again I stress, anyone can do)
Also what the [BLEEP] are you talking about Mamoru AND the Inners did cry over Sailor Moon's death in the R movie and reacted at first with shock and horror and when Sailor Moon was brought back to life they all cried with tears of joy for her being brought back.
He didn't even risk his life to protect his own brother but rather the woman he lusted over and previously attempted to rape.
and in cases like when Demand abducted Usagi and was going to rape her Mamoru was jealous and swooped in and saved her.
I would argue that all of the couples you like IE like Demand and Saphir, Inuyasha and Kagome, Momoko and Youske aren't on the same maturity level and again
A little gap in maturity is fine, too much and it ends up coming off more like a parent relating to their kid than an actual romantic relationship.
Heck even Kunzite is much more mature than Zoisite and I’m okay with that because he still relates to and treats Zoisite like a romantic partner and never gets exasperated by him the way a parent would.
You do realize that not everyone wants a partner as mature as they are right?
As for the Break Up arc again this was drama but not dysfunction. Also it is very much implied and even psuedo confirmed in the ending of R that the entire reason for King Endymion sending these dreams to them was because he knew that Chibiusa would become Black Lady and that the key to saving her would be Usagi and Mamoru loving each other not just as a couple but also as the future parents for Chibiusa and I am sure he thought that if they were just a regular young couple they would probably just spend the majority of time with each other and certainly not with this strange girl from the future whom they even first suspected of being an enemy
Which if lack of maturity is an issue then you shouldn't like Inuyasha and Kagome as Kagome treats Inuyasha the same way I treated my Cat
Usagi is not a damn infant near Chibi-Usa’s age, even in the 90’s anime she’s only 4 years younger than Mamoru at the most.
Also they have the same destiny dynamic. In fact it is the destined forbiddent love wrote.
Also you are wrong it was stated in the 90s anime that the people of the Moon and Earth were forbidden from interacting
Also nobody except a dumb puritan or a wokeist would think that Usagi and Mamoru's relationship resembles pedophilia.
You do realize both the Left and Right hates groomers and constantly uses it as boogieman dog-whistle right?
What do you think the whole Q-anon which is an alt-right conspiracy theory is about?
What the f*ck does pedophilia even have to do with politics such as communism vs capitalism, race, gender, or sexual orientation?
It’s like saying being against murder is now suddenly “woke.” Murder and Pedophilia are not political subjects and yeah, no sh*t Sherlock everyone across all sides of the political spectrum are against both because they’re inherently harmful.
and you can have wide maturity gaps that are good relationships.
Not to mention The Moonlight Knight was a projection from himself due to again his desire to protect Usagi.
And again even with Inuyasha and Kagome they weren't really declaring ever lasting love for one another till the end of the series
Not even Usagi and Mamoru ever admitted that much.
Also they technically actually were a couple in the manga starting from volume 7 which this post goes into here:
Certainly not in the sense of a romantic lover. Mamoru states she feels wonderful to be with because she is wonderful to him as a lover.
Mamoru however never treats Usagi as a subordinate. Hell he treats her like the literal Queen she will become which Japanese women and honestly most women expect of their male partners.
Also how is Mamoru a Gary Stu for being good at grades but not Ami. Honestly Mamoru and Ami are very similar in their personalities but also different in others. Again your entire argument is unsurprisingly loaded with double and triple standards.
Minako on the other hand does apply herself and still gets shoddy grades so in that sense she is less mature then Usagi.
Honestly Usagi hanging of Mamoru's arm the way many women do off their man's arm is no where near as infantilizing as Zoisite crying like a literal baby
Also you really wanna shame Zoisite for crying like a baby here when Usagi’s whole thing is about being a crybaby and she cries a hundred times more and for much less and in a much more childish manner?
And emotional abuse is just as bad as physical.
Plus again Japanese men are expected to support their wives and family just straight from their own pockets.
Also Rei was after Mamoru for his money and the social prestige
When has Mamoru even given any indication that he’s physically attracted to Usagi? When has he ever thought she’s hot or beautiful?
Unless he’s asexual of course but then he shows more physical attraction to that big-boobed Dentist’s assistant in that one SuperS episode then he does Usagi in the entirety of the series, so y’know.
You decry Usagi and Mamoru's relationship as being parent and child and even say that Mamoru grounds Usagi when he never did but have no problem with Kagome disciplining Inuyasha like a disobedient pet.
Also treating someone and disciplining them like a child is a very different thing from treating and disciplining them like a pet. Kagome treats Inuyasha like the half-animal he is, not like a child much younger than her.
Also Demand and Saphir are very much brothers by blood. They state as much and the materials collection describes them as such
. You decry Usagi and Mamoru's relationship as being like Father and Child but are ok with Demand and Saphir as an incestuous couple.
For the record I’m only okay with shipping same-sex siblings and cousins close in age and would never dare think to ship family with a parent/child dynamic.
Also again Demand never requited Saphir's feelings so to say that them being called brothers is to hide the gay is nonsense.
Don’t say it was because he was intentionally manipulating Saphir because 1. Demande is too stupid to even know how to manipulate and 2. He never does the same with Esmeraude.
Also Usagi slaps Mamoru in a comedic and slapstick way for forgetting her birthday. Something you have previously defended Kagome doing to Inuyasha by forcing him to sit.
Also Inuyasha reacts and fights/mouths off back while Mamoru just took that slap like an exasperated dad dealing with his spoiled daughter’s temper tantrum.
Also they were never as dysfunctional as that rapist and his incestuous cuck brother.
First of all Mamoru never bullied Usagi in Classic he teased her back and forth and she did the same to him. Honestly it was no more bullying then how Rei and Usagi similarly teased each other or even how Luna did to Usagi or even how Shingo teased his older sister.
She never cried that much with Rei, Luna, Chibi-Usa or Shingo.
Again having unequal jealousy isn't proof of a bad relationship. Unlike say one person being more obsessed with raping a Queen while their brother pines for them.
Also they aren't together for the wrong reasons. Mamoru isn't together with Usagi just because of destiny and in the 90s anime and even in extra canon material like Sailor Moon Another Story (which might I add the characters are written more in character in Another Story then the CD Dramas) Usagi and Mamoru both state they are in love with each other not due to destiny but because they love them.
Usagi and Mamoru both state they are in love with each other not due to destiny but because they love them. Mamoru also states that he loves Usagi because she makes him feel wonderful which only a person you truly love can etc.
Plus why do you have issues with Mamoru treating Usagi as a daughter or a pet when you stan Demand who treats Saphir as a subordinate and dosen't love him romantically or Inuyasha and Kagome whom the latter treats the former like a pet.
He isn't portrayed as the greatest catch. Many people like him but he isn't just a superb stud that every women drop their panties for.
His 90’s anime design is bland and generic and not even all that good-looking in my eyes.