So they made Haruka into a TERF?
Well obviously he can’t anymore after finding about Crystal Tokyo and Chibi-Usa being their daughter.
What does that have to do with jealousy though? That’s not even slightly related to the prospect of Mamoru possibly preferring/choosing someone else over her.
He’s not good-looking at all in my eyes, he’s extremely bland, average looking, and comes off looking like a middle-aged dad and yet the show wants to make Mamoru come off as the pinnacle of attractiveness.
No I consider myself a Sailor Moon fan, perhaps I am an anti 90’s anime Mamoru and Miracle Romance fan though. Which many fans are by the way, Mamoru and Chibi-Usa are the two most hated characters in the franchise and the “Mirakuru Romansu” is easily the least popular aspect about the series.
Honestly you’re right on this, and it’s the reason I give her some leeway, doesn’t mean it’s not disturbing and cringe to see.
Too bad they absolutely squandered that chemistry after R.
Yeah, feelings of only friendship.
Oh yeah this is totally showing romantic interest in someone!
Yes he was, whenever she starts clinging onto him and acting like he’s her boyfriend he gets all freaked out and wants nothing to do with it.
They still thought he was handsome and were physically attracted to him, still proves my point on how the 90’s anime ridiculously made nearly every woman and even man want him simply to prop him up.
I admit this is a point that ties into SuperS’s writing issues as a whole but it’s still a bullsh*t reason, what does that even say about a person? What does “having a lot of dreams” mean?
No listing qualities such as how they look or they’re kind, courageous etc are still specific characteristics that person has, saying stuff like “she has a lot of dreams” or “it feels wonderful to be around you” doesn’t say anything about the type of person Usagi is.
Still waiting for you to list the specific episode and scene where he says this.
Sure, because this is such a heterosexual moment right here! /s
Again if you can acknowledge that Saphir has feelings for Demande, why can’t you do the same for Fiore with Mamoru?
Why do even the Inners think Fiore’s feelings for Mamoru are romantic?
The only thing that suggests that 90’s anime Beryl had deeper feelings for Endymion other than just wanting him for his power or status is the PC Engine game that might be canon to the anime and the Lake Monster episode which felt like it was directly alluding to Endymion and Serenity’s backstory.
I’m not triggered nor am I jealous, I just find it completely eye-roll inducing ridiculous that Mamoru has 8, maybe 9 admirers while our main protagonist Usagi only has 4. (Ail, Demande, Seiya and Umino for a time before he gets with Naru)
It showcases the male-gazey aspect of the 90’s anime writing and and how they turned Mamoru into an almost Gary-Stu who’s the most wanted character in the show!
I’ll admit mutual tsunderes are my favorite shipping dynamic, hence my username and my love of ships such as InuKag, Ranma/Akane, Demande/Saphir, and Momoko/Yousuke and the like. I just find ships where both parties fight and get angry at each other alot but secretly care about each other deep down much more interesting and passionate to watch than ships where one of the two is always calm, stoic, chivalrous and barely reacts or just humors their more childish partner’s antics, it’s too bland and boring and feels more like a one-sided dynamic where one partner is doing all the reacting rather than an equal push and pull.
Now UsaMamo could‘ve been this fun, mutual tsundere type like they had back in Classic and Makai Tree but they ended up ruining it because 1. Mamoru totally does a complete about face after R and turns into this openly affectionate, calm and stoic chivalrous Prince Charming who indulges Usagi and never gets angry at her again, and 2. Even back in Classic their dynamic didn’t feel like a true mutual tsundere back and forth because Mamoru rarely got riled up and was deliberately teasing Usagi out of place of smugness/mocking.
Ironically enough I only like this type of relationship in fiction and want more of a guy like Kunzite as a boyfriend in real life, I just find it more entertaining and exciting to watch.
Don’t tell me you actually thought the ship in question that they were talking about on that manga page I showed you was beautiful and not cringe?
Even the mangaka was self-aware enough to know that despite her shipping and writing about destined soulmates from before birth, most people find that trope cringe and so she had the good sense to joke about it by having the boys in the panel react that way.
I bet you were also one of those people who found Jacob’s imprinting on Renesmee as his soulmate when she was just a baby in Twilight unironically romantic and “beautiful” too huh?
Sure, maybe destined lovers from across lifetimes are okay to do once in awhile, for this type of ship to work though you should actually show your work and show how/why they fell for each other in each life something that definitely never happened in UsaMamo’s backstories as Endymion and Princess Serenity.
It’s why the Sen/Shi shipping didn’t work out in Crystal either, you can’t just tell us a couple loved each other so much in a previous lives that their souls somehow managed to find their way back to each other without showing it.
To be able to buy into a ship as huge a deal as reincarnated soulmates you have to really build up and sell the audience on why this love is so significant that it even extends lifetimes, or else it just comes off looking as contrived and half-assed.
No they didn’t, the only time they flirted a little was in the elevator in episode 34 after Mamoru opens up to Usagi and reveals his backstory.
I think Demande is much too dumb to intentionally manipulate Saphir’s feelings.
Just cause Demande didn’t end up loving Saphir back romantically (also debatable considering that hairbrush scene) doesn’t mean their relationship isn’t organic, all the feelings they feel for each other whether romantic or brotherly are still natural and aren’t because of destiny like for UsaMamo.
It both innovates and deconstructs and I never said all of Sailor Moon is a deconstruction, just the manga and PGSM and the manga because in Stars it reveals that being a Senshi is a horrible fate and a never-ending cycle that will only produce a bad future in the end.
Hell even Classic had shades of this when all the Inners got killed and in the finale and Usagi wishes that they were never Magical Girls in the first place and wants her normal life back rather than a fairytale magical life and the series original ending was supposed to reflect this - that’s a deconstruction.
Yeah a backstory he never fully resolves or comes to terms with.
His character in the entire franchise is literally only relevant when something regarding Usagi or Chibi-Usa comes up.
Yousuke wasn’t desperately looking for an identity to latch onto the way Mamoru was, he had his own and was a fully formed person without needing to “find his purpose” or fill an empty void within him.
No she doesn’t, the endless flashbacks we get retelling Kikyo’s pinning Inuyasha to the Tree was never from Kagome’s perspective but the narration’s.
Doesn’t show it as well like in the manga.
And NQS is also very pretty different from Usagi in the 90’s anime seeing as how racist and unforgiving she is to the BMC, I actually have this headcanon that NQS, King Endymion, and the Inners are actually the reawakened spirits/subconscious of their past life selves that were activated and took over their bodies once the Ice Age befell the Earth. Usagi and Co had already lived full lives and died peacefully of old age, fast-forward to the 30th Century and the Ice Calamity reactivated their sleeping Silver Millenium spirits and they rose from the dead to restore the Earth to it’s current Crystal Tokyo state, hence why NQS seems so different from Usagi in personality, she’s actually the spirit of the former Princess Serenity now fully inhabiting the body and rising from the dead.
That’s only cause Tuxedo Mask threw her and she happened to get lucky.
So why is Inuyasha torn between the two and feels like they have to choose if they’re truly “one and the same?”
Yes but that’s only for that one episode, she never does it again after.
How the f*ck would she know that when Mamoru was kidnapped and brainwashed right after?!
Need I remind you she gives him up to Usagi both after their past lives are revealed and while Mamoru was turned evil by the Dark Kingdom. How would she know what Mamoru’s true feelings for Usagi were during that time period?
When did Mamoru ever childishly stick his tongue back out to Usagi?
No Kagome is the first person Inuyasha allows himself to confide in and they trust each other with their lives and are always screaming each other’s names trying to protect the other, so much so it’s even become a meme in the fandom and Adult Swim even lampshaded it in a commercial.
Also they’re very casual and comfortable around each other through the rest of the series, something that never happened with UsaMamo even during their more friendlier period during the Makai Tree arc.
Sure looks like he found her as an annoying stalker to me!
Which also describes UsaMamo in the 90’s anime since if he’s not with her because of destiny then it’s to fill the empty hole in his heart like he describes in the R movie.
Mamoru doesn’t look like he’s blushing in that scene to me.
Yes, but that doesn’t mean he was IN love with Usagi at that moment.
The Orgel from their past that symbolizes Princess Serenity’s love for Endymion and has nothing to do with who Usagi and Mamoru are as people now.
So was Naoko wrong to say the 90’s anime had a male-gazey view to it’s writing then?
She said and noticed it first, not me.
That’s not his place though, he’s her boyfriend not her parent.
You know the fact that HaruMichi being so boldly affectionate despite being a lesbian relationship just makes UsaMamo look worse right?
Hell even KunZoi, a gay couple, are more openly affectionate.
I know that, and it’s not like I need UsaMamo to be constantly making out but I do still need to see them relating to each other as a couple instead of Usagi one-sidedly swooning over him while Mamoru looks either exasperated or uncomfortable.
Including? Those are the only bad things he does. And he shows his ultimately good heart by both sacrificing his life for Sailor Moon and caring about his people and asking her to take of them.
That’s still loving him for who he is, he just doesn’t love him romantically. But even still I would rather one side of my ship not love the other romantically while still having genuine feelings of care towards them due to the kind of person they are then a ship where the romantic feelings are mutual but they don’t love each other for who they are.
No, here are the list of reasons the show gives for why Mamoru loves her:
I’ll take things he didn’t say for $200 Alex!
No, all he said in the R movie was that he loves her because he doesn’t feel lonely anymore since she gives him a family. (Which again I stress, anyone can do)
Mamoru cried tears of relief when she was brought back to life but only the Inners cried over her when she was dead, Mamoru just stared at her blank-faced totally dumbfounded.
Because he didn’t know Wiseman was evil and aiming the blast at Saphir at the time, he was too shocked to do anything and actually did call out to Wiseman first trying to stop him.
He wasn’t jealous in that moment, just protective and worried for her safety.
Yes but the difference is their maturity gaps aren’t as widely vast as 90’s anime UsaMamo’s is.
A little gap in maturity is fine, too much and it ends up coming off more like a parent relating to their kid than an actual romantic relationship.
Heck even Kunzite is much more mature than Zoisite and I’m okay with that because he still relates to and treats Zoisite like a romantic partner and never gets exasperated by him the way a parent would.
Sure, that doesn’t mean that dynamic is entertaining/fun to watch and ship in fiction though.
If this was the reasoning given I would be fine with it, the problem is the show doesn’t make it clear enough and makes it seem like King Endymion is honest to god actually trying to “test” their love because he doesn’t believe in it.
Treating someone like an animal is not the same as treating them like a child, and besides Inuyasha literally is half-dog so it’s more acceptable in their case.
Usagi is not a damn infant near Chibi-Usa’s age, even in the 90’s anime she’s only 4 years younger than Mamoru at the most.
No they don’t, Momoko and Yousuke never lived a past life where they knew each other and were together, their love is simply forbidden, not destined.
Nope, all that was said was that they were suspicious of people from Earth since Beryl rose up and brainwashed them but interaction was never specifically prohibited.
How is being against pedophilia - something any sane person is against - being a “wokeist?”
You do realize both the Left and Right hates groomers and constantly uses it as boogieman dog-whistle right?
What do you think the whole Q-anon which is an alt-right conspiracy theory is about?
What the f*ck does pedophilia even have to do with politics such as communism vs capitalism, race, gender, or sexual orientation?
It’s like saying being against murder is now suddenly “woke.” Murder and Pedophilia are not political subjects and yeah, no sh*t Sherlock everyone across all sides of the political spectrum are against both because they’re inherently harmful.
Not any that are fun or romantic to watch though.
No, their only flirty moment was in the elevator during episode 34 and they had exactly zero during the Makai Tree arc, all of Mamoru’s interactions with Usagi were purely platonic.
And it defeated the entire purpose of the Makai Tree arc for Mamoru and Usagi to fall for each other on their own without his memories of their past or her being Sailor Moon and the extraordinary feats they went through.
Kagome admitted she was straight up in love with Inuyasha in episode 48, the 2nd movie and the episode where she’s captured by the Baby and Kagura after Mt. Hakurei.
Not even Usagi and Mamoru ever admitted that much.
Also they technically actually were a couple in the manga starting from volume 7 which this post goes into here:
Why though? How are they compatible besides her being Serenity and him being Endymion and her being able to give him the family he never had which anyone can do?
No first he treats her as his bullying victim, then he treats her like a psycho deranged stalker, and then once they finally get together he treats her like a spoiled daughter who embarrasses him in front of his friends and makes him go broke.
Honestly Ami becomes a sort of Mary-Sue in the 90’s anime as the seasons go on too yeah, especially in SuperS where she seems to have a talent for everything.
Minako may be as book dumb as Usagi but she’s more street-smart than her and doesn’t behave as childishly like crying and throwing tantrums over pie.
Not the way she does it in the Saori episode where she imitates Chibi-Usa and doesn’t even allow herself to stand in full height just clinging off his hand like some kind of koala, it’s got to be the most infantalizing scene between a couple I’ve ever seen in the history of anime!
Also you really wanna shame Zoisite for crying like a baby here when Usagi’s whole thing is about being a crybaby and she cries a hundred times more and for much less and in a much more childish manner?
And Usagi still always cries at the drop of a hat whenever Rei or Mamoru back in Classic are mean to her, so she’s not exactly handling conflict any more maturely than Zoisite.
So Saphir being a brocon and that being the reason Petz is bitter towards men and KunZoi being a lovey-dovey PDA couple have no basis in the show?
And Mamoru is just as abusive to Usagi during Classic and the Break-Up Arc only emotionally. (I don’t care if he did it for a good reason, he still should’ve handled it better and it was still abuse)
And emotional abuse is just as bad as physical.
So if this is expected of him why does he still act like it’s such a big burden?
No she was after him because she thought he was hot and was physically attracted to him, which is still a better reason then being someone simply because of destiny, or because “they have a lot of dreams.”
When has Mamoru even given any indication that he’s physically attracted to Usagi? When has he ever thought she’s hot or beautiful?
Unless he’s asexual of course but then he shows more physical attraction to that big-boobed Dentist’s assistant in that one SuperS episode then he does Usagi in the entirety of the series, so y’know.
No they just hate maturity gaps in fiction because of the power imbalance, I hate it because it’s cringe, boring, and doesn’t make a ship look romantic or conducive to shipping.
And Mamoru disciplined Usagi the same as Chibi-Usa in front of Saori and Kobayashi so what’s your point?
Also treating someone and disciplining them like a child is a very different thing from treating and disciplining them like a pet. Kagome treats Inuyasha like the half-animal he is, not like a child much younger than her.
The manga is not the same as the 90’s anime and what applies there doesn’t necessarily also apply to the latter, Ikuhara could’ve changed it up.
Because siblings are on a far closer maturity level compared to a parent and their child.
For the record I’m only okay with shipping same-sex siblings and cousins close in age and would never dare think to ship family with a parent/child dynamic.
If he never requited them at all then how do you explain that hairbrush gesture that Demande initiated and most certainly didn’t look platonic at all.
Don’t say it was because he was intentionally manipulating Saphir because 1. Demande is too stupid to even know how to manipulate and 2. He never does the same with Esmeraude.
Saori and Kobayashi would disagree, in fact it looked so pedophilic they didn’t even believe Mamoru was dating Usagi at first and thought he was just humoring her.
Inuyasha can take it though since he’s a half-demon and if you’ll notice she never sits him during his human nights.
Also Inuyasha reacts and fights/mouths off back while Mamoru just took that slap like an exasperated dad dealing with his spoiled daughter’s temper tantrum.
How they handled the Break-Up arc was dysfunctional though.
Then why did Usagi sink to the crowd bursting into tears that one time that got so bad bystanders were looking at Mamoru like he was a creep and he had to flee the scene?
She never cried that much with Rei, Luna, Chibi-Usa or Shingo.
Yeah and that’s the problem and why I say he relates to her more like a daughter than an equal partner.
Yes it is if one person’s jealousy is so ridiculously over the top and irrational and the other one doesn’t seem to even care at all, and it’s even worse here than with Demande and Saphir because UsaMamo are an established couple so you’d think the intensity of their feelings for each other should be on the same page.
Another Story mixes both 90’s anime and manga canon so it’s it’s own thing and isn’t canon to the 90’s anime, the PC Engine game is considered more 90’s anime canon than than Another Story.
I presume this was only in Another Story then?
Because I find infantilizing your partner much worse and it makes for a much more boring and bland dynamic, simple as.
He has a total 8, maybe 9 (if you wanna count Beryl) admirers all willing to drop their panties for him on the spot, that’s ridiculous! Especially compared to the manga’s much more reasonable only giving him 3 alternative admirers.
His 90’s anime design is bland and generic and not even all that good-looking in my eyes.
Well obviously he can’t anymore after finding about Crystal Tokyo and Chibi-Usa being their daughter.
What does that have to do with jealousy though? That’s not even slightly related to the prospect of Mamoru possibly preferring/choosing someone else over her.
He’s not good-looking at all in my eyes, he’s extremely bland, average looking, and comes off looking like a middle-aged dad and yet the show wants to make Mamoru come off as the pinnacle of attractiveness.
No I consider myself a Sailor Moon fan, perhaps I am an anti 90’s anime Mamoru and Miracle Romance fan though. Which many fans are by the way, Mamoru and Chibi-Usa are the two most hated characters in the franchise and the “Mirakuru Romansu” is easily the least popular aspect about the series.
Honestly you’re right on this, and it’s the reason I give her some leeway, doesn’t mean it’s not disturbing and cringe to see.
Too bad they absolutely squandered that chemistry after R.
Yeah, feelings of only friendship.
Oh yeah this is totally showing romantic interest in someone!
Yes he was, whenever she starts clinging onto him and acting like he’s her boyfriend he gets all freaked out and wants nothing to do with it.
They still thought he was handsome and were physically attracted to him, still proves my point on how the 90’s anime ridiculously made nearly every woman and even man want him simply to prop him up.
I admit this is a point that ties into SuperS’s writing issues as a whole but it’s still a bullsh*t reason, what does that even say about a person? What does “having a lot of dreams” mean?
No listing qualities such as how they look or they’re kind, courageous etc are still specific characteristics that person has, saying stuff like “she has a lot of dreams” or “it feels wonderful to be around you” doesn’t say anything about the type of person Usagi is.
Still waiting for you to list the specific episode and scene where he says this.
Sure, because this is such a heterosexual moment right here! /s
Again if you can acknowledge that Saphir has feelings for Demande, why can’t you do the same for Fiore with Mamoru?
Why do even the Inners think Fiore’s feelings for Mamoru are romantic?
The only thing that suggests that 90’s anime Beryl had deeper feelings for Endymion other than just wanting him for his power or status is the PC Engine game that might be canon to the anime and the Lake Monster episode which felt like it was directly alluding to Endymion and Serenity’s backstory.
I’m not triggered nor am I jealous, I just find it completely eye-roll inducing ridiculous that Mamoru has 8, maybe 9 admirers while our main protagonist Usagi only has 4. (Ail, Demande, Seiya and Umino for a time before he gets with Naru)
It showcases the male-gazey aspect of the 90’s anime writing and and how they turned Mamoru into an almost Gary-Stu who’s the most wanted character in the show!
I’ll admit mutual tsunderes are my favorite shipping dynamic, hence my username and my love of ships such as InuKag, Ranma/Akane, Demande/Saphir, and Momoko/Yousuke and the like. I just find ships where both parties fight and get angry at each other alot but secretly care about each other deep down much more interesting and passionate to watch than ships where one of the two is always calm, stoic, chivalrous and barely reacts or just humors their more childish partner’s antics, it’s too bland and boring and feels more like a one-sided dynamic where one partner is doing all the reacting rather than an equal push and pull.
Now UsaMamo could‘ve been this fun, mutual tsundere type like they had back in Classic and Makai Tree but they ended up ruining it because 1. Mamoru totally does a complete about face after R and turns into this openly affectionate, calm and stoic chivalrous Prince Charming who indulges Usagi and never gets angry at her again, and 2. Even back in Classic their dynamic didn’t feel like a true mutual tsundere back and forth because Mamoru rarely got riled up and was deliberately teasing Usagi out of place of smugness/mocking.
Ironically enough I only like this type of relationship in fiction and want more of a guy like Kunzite as a boyfriend in real life, I just find it more entertaining and exciting to watch.
Don’t tell me you actually thought the ship in question that they were talking about on that manga page I showed you was beautiful and not cringe?
Even the mangaka was self-aware enough to know that despite her shipping and writing about destined soulmates from before birth, most people find that trope cringe and so she had the good sense to joke about it by having the boys in the panel react that way.
I bet you were also one of those people who found Jacob’s imprinting on Renesmee as his soulmate when she was just a baby in Twilight unironically romantic and “beautiful” too huh?
Sure, maybe destined lovers from across lifetimes are okay to do once in awhile, for this type of ship to work though you should actually show your work and show how/why they fell for each other in each life something that definitely never happened in UsaMamo’s backstories as Endymion and Princess Serenity.
It’s why the Sen/Shi shipping didn’t work out in Crystal either, you can’t just tell us a couple loved each other so much in a previous lives that their souls somehow managed to find their way back to each other without showing it.
To be able to buy into a ship as huge a deal as reincarnated soulmates you have to really build up and sell the audience on why this love is so significant that it even extends lifetimes, or else it just comes off looking as contrived and half-assed.
No they didn’t, the only time they flirted a little was in the elevator in episode 34 after Mamoru opens up to Usagi and reveals his backstory.
I think Demande is much too dumb to intentionally manipulate Saphir’s feelings.
Just cause Demande didn’t end up loving Saphir back romantically (also debatable considering that hairbrush scene) doesn’t mean their relationship isn’t organic, all the feelings they feel for each other whether romantic or brotherly are still natural and aren’t because of destiny like for UsaMamo.
It both innovates and deconstructs and I never said all of Sailor Moon is a deconstruction, just the manga and PGSM and the manga because in Stars it reveals that being a Senshi is a horrible fate and a never-ending cycle that will only produce a bad future in the end.
Hell even Classic had shades of this when all the Inners got killed and in the finale and Usagi wishes that they were never Magical Girls in the first place and wants her normal life back rather than a fairytale magical life and the series original ending was supposed to reflect this - that’s a deconstruction.
Yeah a backstory he never fully resolves or comes to terms with.
His character in the entire franchise is literally only relevant when something regarding Usagi or Chibi-Usa comes up.
Yousuke wasn’t desperately looking for an identity to latch onto the way Mamoru was, he had his own and was a fully formed person without needing to “find his purpose” or fill an empty void within him.
No she doesn’t, the endless flashbacks we get retelling Kikyo’s pinning Inuyasha to the Tree was never from Kagome’s perspective but the narration’s.
Doesn’t show it as well like in the manga.
And NQS is also very pretty different from Usagi in the 90’s anime seeing as how racist and unforgiving she is to the BMC, I actually have this headcanon that NQS, King Endymion, and the Inners are actually the reawakened spirits/subconscious of their past life selves that were activated and took over their bodies once the Ice Age befell the Earth. Usagi and Co had already lived full lives and died peacefully of old age, fast-forward to the 30th Century and the Ice Calamity reactivated their sleeping Silver Millenium spirits and they rose from the dead to restore the Earth to it’s current Crystal Tokyo state, hence why NQS seems so different from Usagi in personality, she’s actually the spirit of the former Princess Serenity now fully inhabiting the body and rising from the dead.
That’s only cause Tuxedo Mask threw her and she happened to get lucky.
So why is Inuyasha torn between the two and feels like they have to choose if they’re truly “one and the same?”
Yes but that’s only for that one episode, she never does it again after.
How the f*ck would she know that when Mamoru was kidnapped and brainwashed right after?!
Need I remind you she gives him up to Usagi both after their past lives are revealed and while Mamoru was turned evil by the Dark Kingdom. How would she know what Mamoru’s true feelings for Usagi were during that time period?
When did Mamoru ever childishly stick his tongue back out to Usagi?
No Kagome is the first person Inuyasha allows himself to confide in and they trust each other with their lives and are always screaming each other’s names trying to protect the other, so much so it’s even become a meme in the fandom and Adult Swim even lampshaded it in a commercial.
Also they’re very casual and comfortable around each other through the rest of the series, something that never happened with UsaMamo even during their more friendlier period during the Makai Tree arc.
Sure looks like he found her as an annoying stalker to me!
Which also describes UsaMamo in the 90’s anime since if he’s not with her because of destiny then it’s to fill the empty hole in his heart like he describes in the R movie.
Mamoru doesn’t look like he’s blushing in that scene to me.
Yes, but that doesn’t mean he was IN love with Usagi at that moment.
The Orgel from their past that symbolizes Princess Serenity’s love for Endymion and has nothing to do with who Usagi and Mamoru are as people now.
So was Naoko wrong to say the 90’s anime had a male-gazey view to it’s writing then?
She said and noticed it first, not me.
That’s not his place though, he’s her boyfriend not her parent.
You know the fact that HaruMichi being so boldly affectionate despite being a lesbian relationship just makes UsaMamo look worse right?
Hell even KunZoi, a gay couple, are more openly affectionate.
I know that, and it’s not like I need UsaMamo to be constantly making out but I do still need to see them relating to each other as a couple instead of Usagi one-sidedly swooning over him while Mamoru looks either exasperated or uncomfortable.
Including? Those are the only bad things he does. And he shows his ultimately good heart by both sacrificing his life for Sailor Moon and caring about his people and asking her to take of them.
That’s still loving him for who he is, he just doesn’t love him romantically. But even still I would rather one side of my ship not love the other romantically while still having genuine feelings of care towards them due to the kind of person they are then a ship where the romantic feelings are mutual but they don’t love each other for who they are.
No, here are the list of reasons the show gives for why Mamoru loves her:
- She’s Princess Serenity
- “She has a lot of dreams”
- “It feels wonderful to be with her”
- She can give him a family and identity and fills the empty void in his heart.
I’ll take things he didn’t say for $200 Alex!
No, all he said in the R movie was that he loves her because he doesn’t feel lonely anymore since she gives him a family. (Which again I stress, anyone can do)
Mamoru cried tears of relief when she was brought back to life but only the Inners cried over her when she was dead, Mamoru just stared at her blank-faced totally dumbfounded.
Because he didn’t know Wiseman was evil and aiming the blast at Saphir at the time, he was too shocked to do anything and actually did call out to Wiseman first trying to stop him.
He wasn’t jealous in that moment, just protective and worried for her safety.
Yes but the difference is their maturity gaps aren’t as widely vast as 90’s anime UsaMamo’s is.
A little gap in maturity is fine, too much and it ends up coming off more like a parent relating to their kid than an actual romantic relationship.
Heck even Kunzite is much more mature than Zoisite and I’m okay with that because he still relates to and treats Zoisite like a romantic partner and never gets exasperated by him the way a parent would.
Sure, that doesn’t mean that dynamic is entertaining/fun to watch and ship in fiction though.
If this was the reasoning given I would be fine with it, the problem is the show doesn’t make it clear enough and makes it seem like King Endymion is honest to god actually trying to “test” their love because he doesn’t believe in it.
Treating someone like an animal is not the same as treating them like a child, and besides Inuyasha literally is half-dog so it’s more acceptable in their case.
Usagi is not a damn infant near Chibi-Usa’s age, even in the 90’s anime she’s only 4 years younger than Mamoru at the most.
No they don’t, Momoko and Yousuke never lived a past life where they knew each other and were together, their love is simply forbidden, not destined.
Nope, all that was said was that they were suspicious of people from Earth since Beryl rose up and brainwashed them but interaction was never specifically prohibited.
How is being against pedophilia - something any sane person is against - being a “wokeist?”
You do realize both the Left and Right hates groomers and constantly uses it as boogieman dog-whistle right?
What do you think the whole Q-anon which is an alt-right conspiracy theory is about?
What the f*ck does pedophilia even have to do with politics such as communism vs capitalism, race, gender, or sexual orientation?
It’s like saying being against murder is now suddenly “woke.” Murder and Pedophilia are not political subjects and yeah, no sh*t Sherlock everyone across all sides of the political spectrum are against both because they’re inherently harmful.
Not any that are fun or romantic to watch though.
No, their only flirty moment was in the elevator during episode 34 and they had exactly zero during the Makai Tree arc, all of Mamoru’s interactions with Usagi were purely platonic.
And it defeated the entire purpose of the Makai Tree arc for Mamoru and Usagi to fall for each other on their own without his memories of their past or her being Sailor Moon and the extraordinary feats they went through.
Kagome admitted she was straight up in love with Inuyasha in episode 48, the 2nd movie and the episode where she’s captured by the Baby and Kagura after Mt. Hakurei.
Not even Usagi and Mamoru ever admitted that much.
Also they technically actually were a couple in the manga starting from volume 7 which this post goes into here:
Why though? How are they compatible besides her being Serenity and him being Endymion and her being able to give him the family he never had which anyone can do?
No first he treats her as his bullying victim, then he treats her like a psycho deranged stalker, and then once they finally get together he treats her like a spoiled daughter who embarrasses him in front of his friends and makes him go broke.
Honestly Ami becomes a sort of Mary-Sue in the 90’s anime as the seasons go on too yeah, especially in SuperS where she seems to have a talent for everything.
Minako may be as book dumb as Usagi but she’s more street-smart than her and doesn’t behave as childishly like crying and throwing tantrums over pie.
Not the way she does it in the Saori episode where she imitates Chibi-Usa and doesn’t even allow herself to stand in full height just clinging off his hand like some kind of koala, it’s got to be the most infantalizing scene between a couple I’ve ever seen in the history of anime!
Also you really wanna shame Zoisite for crying like a baby here when Usagi’s whole thing is about being a crybaby and she cries a hundred times more and for much less and in a much more childish manner?
And Usagi still always cries at the drop of a hat whenever Rei or Mamoru back in Classic are mean to her, so she’s not exactly handling conflict any more maturely than Zoisite.
So Saphir being a brocon and that being the reason Petz is bitter towards men and KunZoi being a lovey-dovey PDA couple have no basis in the show?
And Mamoru is just as abusive to Usagi during Classic and the Break-Up Arc only emotionally. (I don’t care if he did it for a good reason, he still should’ve handled it better and it was still abuse)
And emotional abuse is just as bad as physical.
So if this is expected of him why does he still act like it’s such a big burden?
No she was after him because she thought he was hot and was physically attracted to him, which is still a better reason then being someone simply because of destiny, or because “they have a lot of dreams.”
When has Mamoru even given any indication that he’s physically attracted to Usagi? When has he ever thought she’s hot or beautiful?
Unless he’s asexual of course but then he shows more physical attraction to that big-boobed Dentist’s assistant in that one SuperS episode then he does Usagi in the entirety of the series, so y’know.
No they just hate maturity gaps in fiction because of the power imbalance, I hate it because it’s cringe, boring, and doesn’t make a ship look romantic or conducive to shipping.
And Mamoru disciplined Usagi the same as Chibi-Usa in front of Saori and Kobayashi so what’s your point?
Also treating someone and disciplining them like a child is a very different thing from treating and disciplining them like a pet. Kagome treats Inuyasha like the half-animal he is, not like a child much younger than her.
The manga is not the same as the 90’s anime and what applies there doesn’t necessarily also apply to the latter, Ikuhara could’ve changed it up.
Because siblings are on a far closer maturity level compared to a parent and their child.
For the record I’m only okay with shipping same-sex siblings and cousins close in age and would never dare think to ship family with a parent/child dynamic.
If he never requited them at all then how do you explain that hairbrush gesture that Demande initiated and most certainly didn’t look platonic at all.
Don’t say it was because he was intentionally manipulating Saphir because 1. Demande is too stupid to even know how to manipulate and 2. He never does the same with Esmeraude.
Saori and Kobayashi would disagree, in fact it looked so pedophilic they didn’t even believe Mamoru was dating Usagi at first and thought he was just humoring her.
Inuyasha can take it though since he’s a half-demon and if you’ll notice she never sits him during his human nights.
Also Inuyasha reacts and fights/mouths off back while Mamoru just took that slap like an exasperated dad dealing with his spoiled daughter’s temper tantrum.
How they handled the Break-Up arc was dysfunctional though.
Then why did Usagi sink to the crowd bursting into tears that one time that got so bad bystanders were looking at Mamoru like he was a creep and he had to flee the scene?
She never cried that much with Rei, Luna, Chibi-Usa or Shingo.
Yeah and that’s the problem and why I say he relates to her more like a daughter than an equal partner.
Yes it is if one person’s jealousy is so ridiculously over the top and irrational and the other one doesn’t seem to even care at all, and it’s even worse here than with Demande and Saphir because UsaMamo are an established couple so you’d think the intensity of their feelings for each other should be on the same page.
Another Story mixes both 90’s anime and manga canon so it’s it’s own thing and isn’t canon to the 90’s anime, the PC Engine game is considered more 90’s anime canon than than Another Story.
I presume this was only in Another Story then?
Because I find infantilizing your partner much worse and it makes for a much more boring and bland dynamic, simple as.
He has a total 8, maybe 9 (if you wanna count Beryl) admirers all willing to drop their panties for him on the spot, that’s ridiculous! Especially compared to the manga’s much more reasonable only giving him 3 alternative admirers.
His 90’s anime design is bland and generic and not even all that good-looking in my eyes.
