Do you think the manga ending's dark and light message didn't fit the series?

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Because, let's be clear, in the 90s anime, it's said light and darkness reside in the hearts of every living being
I am not against you talentless, but something that i doesnt umderstand is that , if the chaos is supposed to exist inside the heart of the living beings , then why in the flashbacks of good galaxia , it is shown that the chaos is outside in the space and galaxia is fighting against it?
How did the chaos escaped from the heart of the living beings at the beggining of the times ?
Maybe that scene was just a methaphor , and galaxia was just fighting against something abstract and impossible to touch , like fighting against a color , or fighting against the air , but it is still not so much clear for me.
 
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I am not against you talentless, but something that i doesnt umderstand is that , if the chaos is supposed to exist inside the heart of the living beings , then why in the flashbacks of good galaxia , it is shown that the chaos is outside in the space and galaxia is fighting against it?
How did the chaos escaped from the heart of the living beings at the beggining of the times ?
Maybe that scene was just a methaphor , and galaxia was just fighting against something abstract and impossible to touch , like fighting against a color , or fighting against the air , but it is still not so much clear for me.
Was there a scene with Galaxia fighting Chaos?
There was the scene with Kakyuu relating the fight of the legendary Senshi standing in front of a black aurora.

We can only imagine how the fight between Galaxia and Chaos went however it's highly likely that Chaos awoke from inside one or possibly multiple people and continued to grow on and on to the point that no one was able to match it's power.
Possibly it grew to the point that it was now able to subsist without a physical host and that's what we see in that flashback.

Galaxia had no choice but to seal Chaos inside the Sword of Sealing which inadvertently sealed it inside herself starting immediately to corrode her mind. She probably did so because she couldn't simply kill it's host by that time.

Which is the opposite of what happens in the 90s finale - Chaos completely overpowers Galaxia's body and becomes one with her, making it possible to 'kill' Chaos by killing Galaxia's body.
Since Chaos via Galaxia itself says at that moment, 'this is the body of Sailor Galaxia, who is the most powerful out of all the Galaxy', who knows perhaps when Chaos grows sufficiently powerful, the host body is not able to control it and it bursts out.
However, instead, Usagi decides to purify Galaxia and exorcises Chaos out of her.
 

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Was there a scene with Galaxia fighting Chaos?
There was the scene with Kakyuu relating the fight of the legendary Senshi standing in front of a black aurora.

We can only imagine how the fight between Galaxia and Chaos went however it's highly likely that Chaos awoke from inside one or possibly multiple people and continued to grow on and on to the point that no one was able to match it's power.
Possibly it grew to the point that it was now able to subsist without a physical host and that's what we see in that flashback.

Galaxia had no choice but to seal Chaos inside the Sword of Sealing which inadvertently sealed it inside herself starting immediately to corrode her mind. She probably did so because she couldn't simply kill it's host by that time.

Which is the opposite of what happens in the 90s finale - Chaos completely overpowers Galaxia's body and becomes one with her, making it possible to 'kill' Chaos by killing Galaxia's body.
Since Chaos via Galaxia itself says at that moment, 'this is the body of Sailor Galaxia, who is the most powerful out of all the Galaxy', who knows perhaps when Chaos grows sufficiently powerful, the host body is not able to control it and it bursts out.
However, instead, Usagi decides to purify Galaxia and exorcises Chaos out of her.
I have never read that explanation before.
I wonder if the same thing could happen with the light of hope too, if it is capable to grow inside the hearts of many people until making them as powerfull as sailor cosmos , not physically like her , but the same power level.
Maybe galaxia didnt had the light of hope as star seed since her birth but she started to make grow her light of hope , when the chaos appeared then.
 
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I think Usagi's line is being confused with what’s seen in Galaxia’s flashbacks.
Chaos is a force of nature like the light of hope, but if you notice, Earthlings don't have Sailor Crystals/True Star Seeds, so those beings that belong to the universe's balance and represent it iconographically aren't present in the hearts of all living beings in the universe. Usagi is speaking figuratively; in our hearts also lies the duality of this three-dimensional universe we live in, everyone has a good side and we need to trust in that. Galaxia still had love for this universe and what it’s made of inside her, and that helped release the chaos (suffering, negative emotions, etc.) she was holding, which is something all humans tend to do.

All this comes from Eastern philosophical currents. As I’ve always said, any anime should be watched with Shintoism and the japanese culture/mentality shaped by these currents in mind.
 

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Another thing that i have wondered is which was the right way to neutralize chaos in the 90s anime? Was galaxia destined to fight against chaos until the eternity ,like sailor cosmos ? or she had to return the chaos to the hearts of everyone like usagi did?
 

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But you know.... the last arc of the manga have a climax and close really well the SM universe................................ :siren::siren::siren::siren:

A small part of the fandom wanted an epopee for the finale, and due to Takeuchi gave them that at the expense of quality in storytelling, art and panelling, they forgive those flaws telling themselves the anime also had flaws and was worse.

Yeah, the ending was awesome and shocking itself, just didn't connect well with previous story, also focused too much on Usagi.

Still much better than the anime ending, which dragged down the entire series.
 
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Yeah, the ending was awesome and shocking itself, just didn't connect well with previous story, also focused too much on Usagi.

Still much better than the anime ending, which dragged down the entire series.
I think @Lady Pen was being ironic... :question:
But well, I was really underwhelmed with the ending of the manga. I still like the anime ending better, even if the final episodes are a bit too padded and the Stars season wasn't as good as the series deserved.

Another thing that i have wondered is which was the right way to neutralize chaos in the 90s anime? Was galaxia destined to fight against chaos until the eternity ,like sailor cosmos ? or she had to return the chaos to the hearts of everyone like usagi did?
I think we can assume Usagi was in the right, which doesn't necessarily mean the battle against Chaos wouldn't last eternally (only that it shouldn't be only one Senshi fighting it).
 

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I think @Lady Pen was being ironic... :question:
But well, I was really underwhelmed with the ending of the manga. I still like the anime ending better, even if the final episodes are a bit too padded and the Stars season wasn't as good as the series deserved.
The ending was rushed and the plot was changed and they changed it when there are already materials made for their earlier plans.
 

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I think the really good part was "should I go back and end all possibilities to avoid future conflict".

But all the "light and dark should fuse together" element didn't fit too well with the previous series. Chaos didn't just want light, it wanted to destroy everything.
Yes and no.

No because it went against the ethos of the earlier arcs.

Yes because Stars was kind of a deconstruction of Sailor Moon/magical girl tropes in the first place, before ultimately reaffirming them.

You could say it was the series growing up, but doing so without rejecting what it had been before.

Instead of the magical power of love miraculously fixes everything, it fixes everything in the immediate present but we are told things will become awful later.

Cosmos is blackpilled, her pov is that all the suffering she has seen could have been avoided if she chose to destroy the cauldron, which would have meant no new life would occur. Her pov was it is cruel for life to endure if it means more suffering.

Usagi's pov was that suffering was a price worth paying if it meant life could happen, that love and happiness was a possibility. Which is poignantly also the case for marriage, you know even if everything goes well it will hurt real bad when one of you eventually dies. But people get married anyway, and in usagi's case she literally has a new life growing in her when she marries

Basically Cosmos was a glass half empty vs usagi's half full.

Cosmos rediscovered who she was by reintegration her younger self into who she was. She knows the future is bleak, but life will endure and that is worth the suffering along the way.
 

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Something that occurs simultaneously in the 90’s anime and the manga is that Sailor Moon refuses to destroy Galaxia.

But I think manga Galaxia deserved it. In any event, Chaos did Sailor Moon’s “job.”
 
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And also, the dialogue notebooks with descriptions of the scenes. What was planned and what was removed.
They removed Cosmos and Heavy Metal Papillon and Heavy Metal Papillon was planned to team up with Tin Nyanko as well.

I think the manga and the anime would be similar after Cosmos and Kakyuu appeared had that plot happened.
 
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I think we can assume Usagi was in the right, which doesn't necessarily mean the battle against Chaos wouldn't last eternally (only that it shouldn't be only one Senshi fighting it).
I always assumed that if there were any senshi at the era of good galaxia , they should have been killed by chaos , and galaxia was the only survivor , so even if she would have had wanted to have some company she couldnt have it , since the chaos would kill it , but if the chaos would got to escape at any moment of the future , after the 200 episode events , i think that maybe Usagi can accompany galaxia in the battle then.
 
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I think @Lady Pen was being ironic... :question:
But well, I was really underwhelmed with the ending of the manga. I still like the anime ending better, even if the final episodes are a bit too padded and the Stars season wasn't as good as the series deserved.


I think we can assume Usagi was in the right, which doesn't necessarily mean the battle against Chaos wouldn't last eternally (only that it shouldn't be only one Senshi fighting it).
It was irony indeed. The manga's ending is far from being awesome... Some people think it's brilliant because once they finish reading it they've got a sort of feeling the story was complete, but they know it's not. However they prefer that feeling than admitting the facts. When the criticise the 90's ending they don't realise they're also criticising the manga's.

The 90's ending doesn't have HMP, Lethe, Phi, etc!!!! - Well, They do nothing in the battle.

The 90's ending takes place in Galaxia's throne room/TV station !!!!! It's not epic !!!!!!!! - The places that appear in the manga have no purpose for the story. Not even Galaxia having a cathedral/palace built by someone/something we'll never know. It was there... Oh, I forgot !!! Galaxia didn't want to fight Sailor Moon on Earth because their battle would be the biggest, but there's no battle. AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE'S THE BATTLE?!??!?!

The 90's ending doesn't have the Cauldron !!!!! - Thank God it doesn't!! It would've created more plot holes, plus why do some people needs a galactic cauldron to explain the duality of this universe?!?! The dualism is something that simply exists. But to them the concept of the Cauldron makes the unexplored lore bigger and if it's bigger it's the best. Flat electroencephalogram.

The 90's ending doesn't have Sailor Cosmos!!!!!!!! - My favourite. Precisely, the 90's ending is the proof we don't need Sailor Cosmos existence. We do not even need Chibi Chibi's neither in the 90's anime nor in the manga. Think about it. Chibi Chibi is a stupid plot device in both versions.

 

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It was irony indeed. The manga's ending is far from being awesome... Some people think it's brilliant because once they finish reading it they've got a sort of feeling the story was complete, but they know it's not. However they prefer that feeling than admitting the facts. When the criticise the 90's ending they don't realise they're also criticising the manga's.

The 90's ending doesn't have HMP, Lethe, Phi, etc!!!! - Well, They do nothing in the battle.

The 90's ending takes place in Galaxia's throne room/TV station !!!!! It's not epic !!!!!!!! - The places that appear in the manga have no purpose for the story. Not even Galaxia having a cathedral/palace built by someone/something we'll never know. It was there... Oh, I forgot !!! Galaxia didn't want to fight Sailor Moon on Earth because their battle would be the biggest, but there's no battle. AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE'S THE BATTLE?!??!?!

The 90's ending doesn't have the Cauldron !!!!! - Thank God it doesn't!! It would've created more plot holes, plus why do some people needs a galactic cauldron to explain the duality of this universe?!?! The dualism is something that simply exists. But to them the concept of the Cauldron makes the unexplored lore bigger and if it's bigger it's the best. Flat electroencephalogram.

The 90's ending doesn't have Sailor Cosmos!!!!!!!! - My favourite. Precisely, the 90's ending is the proof we don't need Sailor Cosmos existence. We do not even need Chibi Chibi's neither in the 90's anime nor in the manga. Think about it. Chibi Chibi is a stupid plot device in both versions.
Chibichibi/Cosmos' role is like that of Princess Sailor Moon in PGSM and Cosmos was initially planned to have a large plan in the plot of Stars in the Manga and the Anime.

I think the Cauldron concept could have been more explained, if Naoko focused on fleshing out that concept.