Do you think the manga ending's dark and light message didn't fit the series?

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The end of the 90s anime is somehow a parallelism of the conversation between helios and endymion in the ep 165.

Helios is the guardian of the beautifull dreams , and he said that the dead moon has eliminated to power of the dreams.
but then endymion says the power of dreams cant be erased , it will always exists as a flower of hope.

Galaxia had the same struggle as helios , she didnt had hope in the people , but Usagi reminded her that there are still good people in this world , and they cant be erased , their lights of hope cant be erased , as the power of the dreams cant be erased neither.

both , galaxia and helios had a struggle with their guardian duties , cause they only focused on the bad things , until endymion and usagi reminded them that there is still light among the darkness.

I just felt like to mention it.
 

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I think @Lady Pen was being ironic... :question:
But well, I was really underwhelmed with the ending of the manga. I still like the anime ending better, even if the final episodes are a bit too padded and the Stars season wasn't as good as the series deserved.
The anime ending would be 100 times better if Usagi could beat Galaxia down first.
 
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The Blueray notes say that.
I wish I had access to them

The 90's ending takes place in Galaxia's throne room/TV station !!!!! It's not epic !!!!!!!! - The places that appear in the manga have no purpose for the story. Not even Galaxia having a cathedral/palace built by someone/something we'll never know. It was there... Oh, I forgot !!! Galaxia didn't want to fight Sailor Moon on Earth because their battle would be the biggest, but there's no battle. AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE'S THE BATTLE?!??!?!
IIRC there's some running around and Sailor Moon dodging some attacks but that's about it... unless you also count the battle against the "evil" Senshi (which I thought was not only in bad taste at first, but underwhelming by the time it was over).

The 90's ending doesn't have Sailor Cosmos!!!!!!!! - My favourite. Precisely, the 90's ending is the proof we don't need Sailor Cosmos existence. We do not even need Chibi Chibi's neither in the 90's anime nor in the manga. Think about it. Chibi Chibi is a stupid plot device in both versions.
You see, one of the biggest and oldest figures in the Brazilian Sailor Moon fandom nicknamed herself after Cosmos and says Sailor Cosmos is her favourite character. Not to hate on the girl, she seems genuinely nice, went to Japan to film a documentary and such, but it always baffles me how on Earth, out of all the possibilities, someone could get attached to Sailor Cosmos. After a Brazilian group fansubbed the Cosmos movies and released them in December, she made a video explaining who Cosmos was, but she admitted that a) she was happy Cosmos didn't contradict her interpretation of who Sailor Cosmos is, thus making it obvious the manga doesn't make it clear, and b) she resorted to the musicals to fill in the gaps the manga left, but I consider it to be a very bad sign if you have to resort to another iteration of the franchise to explain anything. And as much as I like Chibi Chibi and find her impossibly adorable and cute, I have to admit she's nothing but a plot device, and a bad one at that. The anime staff obviously didn't know well what to make of her, so by the end all the comments on her looking like Usagi all over the Stars season don't make sense and, but by becoming a sword that gets broken and that is by no means crucial for Usagi's victory, she becomes useless. The manga doesn't fare any better, if Cosmos could travel to any moment in time, there was no reason why she just couldn't travel directly to the Milky Way and meet Usagi just before she reached Galaxia. Instead, she travelled to Earth, lost her memory in the process (?!) but then guides Chibi Usa and the Asteroid Senshi to the Milky Way... The more I think of it, the less sense it makes.

The end of the 90s anime is somehow a parallelism of the conversation between helios and endymion in the ep 165.

Helios is the guardian of the beautifull dreams , and he said that the dead moon has eliminated to power of the dreams.
but then endymion says the power of dreams cant be erased , it will always exists as a flower of hope.

Galaxia had the same struggle as helios , she didnt had hope in the people , but Usagi reminded her that there are still good people in this world , and they cant be erased , their lights of hope cant be erased , as the power of the dreams cant be erased neither.

both , galaxia and helios had a struggle with their guardian duties , cause they only focused on the bad things , until endymion and usagi reminded them that there is still light among the darkness.

I just felt like to mention it.
It had never occurred to me before, but now that you mention it, I guess that's a good point.

The anime ending would be 100 times better if Usagi could beat Galaxia down first.
Usagi never giving up on anyone is precisely what makes her stand out as a hero, and having her kill or beat down Galaxia at the very end would go against what makes Usagi special and against the very ethos they had built over the previous four years. I could accept that happening on another season finale but having it at the end of the show would not only be OOC for Usagi, it would also diminish the character, IMO. I find it much more compelling to see Usagi refuse to play the game and redeeming Galaxia rather than what the manga did, with Usagi almost breaking down and Galaxia having an about turn out of nowhere. I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
 

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The end of the 90s anime is somehow a parallelism of the conversation between helios and endymion in the ep 165.

Helios is the guardian of the beautifull dreams , and he said that the dead moon has eliminated to power of the dreams.
but then endymion says the power of dreams cant be erased , it will always exists as a flower of hope.

Galaxia had the same struggle as helios , she didnt had hope in the people , but Usagi reminded her that there are still good people in this world , and they cant be erased , their lights of hope cant be erased , as the power of the dreams cant be erased neither.

both , galaxia and helios had a struggle with their guardian duties , cause they only focused on the bad things , until endymion and usagi reminded them that there is still light among the darkness.

I just felt like to mention it.
And that's why the anime is deeper than the printed version. The anime staff dared tell the audience things they couldn't see, but things that they could feel.

I wish I had access to them
Here you have it:

Deleted and Altered Scenes from the 90s Anime?

I wish I had access to them


IIRC there's some running around and Sailor Moon dodging some attacks but that's about it... unless you also count the battle against the "evil" Senshi (which I thought was not only in bad taste at first, but underwhelming by the time it was over).
I meant Moon VS Galaxia. There was no battle. That "fight" could've taken place on Earth perfectly. Come on... Sailor Moon had already had fiercer battles on our planet before Galaxia; Metalia or Pharaoh 90 for example.
The evil Senshi VS Moon is absolutely ridiculous. They're just posing with evil faces screaming their attacks. That was it. XD

You see, one of the biggest and oldest figures in the Brazilian Sailor Moon fandom nicknamed herself after Cosmos and says Sailor Cosmos is her favourite character. Not to hate on the girl, she seems genuinely nice, went to Japan to film a documentary and such, but it always baffles me how on Earth, out of all the possibilities, someone could get attached to Sailor Cosmos. After a Brazilian group fansubbed the Cosmos movies and released them in December, she made a video explaining who Cosmos was, but she admitted that a) she was happy Cosmos didn't contradict her interpretation of who Sailor Cosmos is, thus making it obvious the manga doesn't make it clear, and b) she resorted to the musicals to fill in the gaps the manga left, but I consider it to be a very bad sign if you have to resort to another iteration of the franchise to explain anything. And as much as I like Chibi Chibi and find her impossibly adorable and cute, I have to admit she's nothing but a plot device, and a bad one at that. The anime staff obviously didn't know well what to make of her, so by the end all the comments on her looking like Usagi all over the Stars season don't make sense and, but by becoming a sword that gets broken and that is by no means crucial for Usagi's victory, she becomes useless. The manga doesn't fare any better, if Cosmos could travel to any moment in time, there was no reason why she just couldn't travel directly to the Milky Way and meet Usagi just before she reached Galaxia. Instead, she travelled to Earth, lost her memory in the process (?!) but then guides Chibi Usa and the Asteroid Senshi to the Milky Way... The more I think of it, the less sense it makes.
I know who you're talking about.

As for Chibi Chibi, I agree with you. The thing is, many people think, even some 90's anime fans that manga Chibi Chibi is the best version when it's as bad as the anime's. It's the Sailor Cosmos idealised image syndrome swelled by manga-is-the-original-version-shut-up fans along the years.

As I said in another post, Sailor Cosmos is a plot hole in itself. What's the point of destroying the Cauldron in the present if there's one in the past? Why doesn't Sailor Cosmos travel to the distant past, to the beginning of time, to destroy it with her own power (since she can) and make sure it ceases to exist throughout space-time? What's the point of her story? Is it an attempt to show that Usagi's future will be bittersweet, as many think? Yes, because to accept that fate, Sailor Cosmos has to do one thing: praise her past self's actions. Because the whole manga, and thus the reboot, is about praising Usagi, granting her all her wishes, and forgiving her every sin.

Usagi never giving up on anyone is precisely what makes her stand out as a hero, and having her kill or beat down Galaxia at the very end would go against what makes Usagi special and against the very ethos they had built over the previous four years. I could accept that happening on another season finale but having it at the end of the show would not only be OOC for Usagi, it would also diminish the character, IMO. I find it much more compelling to see Usagi refuse to play the game and redeeming Galaxia rather than what the manga did, with Usagi almost breaking down and Galaxia having an about turn out of nowhere. I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
100% agree.
 

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Usagi never giving up on anyone is precisely what makes her stand out as a hero, and having her kill or beat down Galaxia at the very end would go against what makes Usagi special and against the very ethos they had built over the previous four years.
That is exactly what Igarashi and Naoko wanted to do for Stars which is for Usagi to beat Galaxia after she becomes Chaos, I think Naoko should stand up for what she wanted to do initially for Stars and draw it as the plot of the manga since she had already been able to show it to the anime staff.
 
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And as much as I like Chibi Chibi and find her impossibly adorable and cute, I have to admit she's nothing but a plot device, and a bad one at that. The anime staff obviously didn't know well what to make of her, so by the end all the comments on her looking like Usagi all over the Stars season don't make sense and, but by becoming a sword that gets broken and that is by no means crucial for Usagi's victory, she becomes useless. The manga doesn't fare any better, if Cosmos could travel to any moment in time, there was no reason why she just couldn't travel directly to the Milky Way and meet Usagi just before she reached Galaxia. Instead, she travelled to Earth, lost her memory in the process (?!) but then guides Chibi Usa and the Asteroid Senshi to the Milky Way... The more I think of it, the less sense it makes.
Chibi Chibi as Galaxia's star seed has much more narrative value than Chibi Chibi as Sailor Cosmos. Her being Galaxia's star seed is crucial to the subplot of Uranus and Neptune joining Galaxia and it greatly contributes to Galaxia's characterization which in turn justifies Usagi's decision not to fight her. Chibi Chibi as Sailor Cosmos on the other hand, adds nothing but plot holes. Her only function is to tell us how Usagi is *the GOAT* which is not needed as every other character has already done that a million times within the same arc.
 
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Chibi Chibi as Galaxia's star seed has much more narrative value than Chibi Chibi as Sailor Cosmos. Her being Galaxia's star seed is crucial to the subplot of Uranus and Neptune joining Galaxia and it greatly contributes to Galaxia's characterization which in turn justifies Usagi's decision not to fight her. Chibi Chibi as Sailor Cosmos on the other hand, adds nothing but plot holes. Her only function is to tell us how Usagi is *the GOAT* which is not needed as every other character has already done that a million times within the same arc.
Interesting take. I tend to agree, but I don't get how Chibi Chibi is crucial to the Uranus and Neptune subplot. Can you refresh my memory? Haven't seen these episodes in a while...
 
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I tend to agree, but I don't get how Chibi Chibi is crucial to the Uranus and Neptune subplot. Can you refresh my memory? Haven't seen these episodes in a while...
Not Chibi Chibi per se, but the narrative choice to make Chibi Chibi Galaxia's star seed. Uranus and Neptune pretended to have joined Galaxia and turned against their fellow Sailors just so they could use the bracelets to take out Galaxia's star seed and defeat her. But their efforts failed because Galaxia's star seed was already out given it was Chibi Chibi which lead to a tragic loss for the pair and a beautifully bittersweet last moment between the two. That's quality storytelling!
 
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Not Chibi Chibi per se, but the narrative choice to make Chibi Chibi Galaxia's star seed. Uranus and Neptune pretended to have joined Galaxia and turned against their fellow Sailors just so they could use the bracelets to take out Galaxia's star seed and defeat her. But their efforts failed because Galaxia's star seed was already out given it was Chibi Chibi which lead to a tragic loss for the pair and a beautifully bittersweet last moment between the two. That's quality storytelling!
Oh! Again, it hadn't occurred to me. Time to rewatch the last few episodes, I guess!
 

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Usagi never giving up on anyone is precisely what makes her stand out as a hero, and having her kill or beat down Galaxia at the very end would go against what makes Usagi special and against the very ethos they had built over the previous four years. I could accept that happening on another season finale but having it at the end of the show would not only be OOC for Usagi, it would also diminish the character, IMO. I find it much more compelling to see Usagi refuse to play the game and redeeming Galaxia rather than what the manga did, with Usagi almost breaking down and Galaxia having an about turn out of nowhere. I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
How? Let her beat Galaxia down then redeem her is the perfect solution. We've seen Usagi take down big bads quite a few times before.

Even in the Classics, she was able to stand up and beat down brainwashed Mamoru, did it damage her character? NO. Not at all.

Galaxia killed everyone, including every beloved senshi, the audience need to be relieved from it.
 
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How? Let her beat Galaxia down then redeem her is the perfect solution. We've seen Usagi take down big bads quite a few times before.

Even in the Classics, she was able to stand up and beat down brainwashed Mamoru, did it damage her character? NO. Not at all.

Galaxia killed everyone, including every beloved senshi, the audience need to be relieved from it.
Usagi redeeming Galaxia after beating her down? Okay, that would be acceptable. But I stand by my opinion that it's by not succumbing to grief and revenge, by not giving in to the temptation to beat Galaxia down to dust and by doing what basically all of us wouldn't expect Usagi to do (or be able to do ourselves) that Usagi is at her most mature and most heroic. She subverts the expectations and is able to save the world with the power of her love and empathy. Now that's truly beautiful - and you can even read it as a nod to a certain Christian figure, if you're into this kind of stuff.
 

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Usagi redeeming Galaxia after beating her down? Okay, that would be acceptable. But I stand by my opinion that it's by not succumbing to grief and revenge, by not giving in to the temptation to beat Galaxia down to dust and by doing what basically all of us wouldn't expect Usagi to do (or be able to do ourselves) that Usagi is at her most mature and most heroic. S
Usagi fighting Galaxia wouldn't have made sense for her character. She hadn't fought a humanoid villain since Queen Beryl. And Queen Beryl was never humanized or portrayed sympathetically like other villains. Let's not forget, in R, she didn't fight Prince Demande. In S, she refused to fight Mistress 9 because she had the body of Hotaru and didn't want to sacrifice anyone, not even to save the world. Also, she refused to fight Uranus and Neptune when they were testing her. In SuperS, she didn't fight Nehellenia at the end either. So, how could she had fought Galaxia in Stars, then? At that point, Usagi knew Galaxia was a fellow Sailor Soldier who had good intentions by sealing Chaos within her. Choosing to fight her and beat her down knowing that wouldn't have been consistent with how her character had been developed up to that point.
 

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(anime 90) And above all, Usagi when she sees that there is a glimmer of hope in the heart of the bad guy, a good soul, she refuses to kill. She killed Beryl because there was nothing good in her, Wiseman had nothing good in his. She killed Esmeraude not knowing it was her. She let Rubeus die, she left him to his fate because there was nothing good in him. She always extends her hand to her neighbor, when there is good in him.

(manga) Naoko made Usagi a heartless killing machine. She kills everyone and asks no questions. Naoko did the character well based on herself. A heartless killer, and without having to justify herself.
 

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Usagi redeeming Galaxia after beating her down? Okay, that would be acceptable. But I stand by my opinion that it's by not succumbing to grief and revenge, by not giving in to the temptation to beat Galaxia down to dust and by doing what basically all of us wouldn't expect Usagi to do (or be able to do ourselves) that Usagi is at her most mature and most heroic. She subverts the expectations and is able to save the world with the power of her love and empathy. Now that's truly beautiful - and you can even read it as a nod to a certain Christian figure, if you're into this kind of stuff.
So you have trouble about Usagi beating Mamoru in Classic Finale?

No it's not grief and revenge, but the need to fight and take down the enemy, that is what Sailor Moon is about.

Don't pretend it's something unique and awesome. Countless Shojo anime tried the "oh no fight and redeem" and they mostly ended horribly.

Galaxia killed everyone, the audience request to get some relief and you can't just do it without a fight, this is why Classic Finale is so great.

(anime 90) And above all, Usagi when she sees that there is a glimmer of hope in the heart of the bad guy, a good soul, she refuses to kill. She killed Beryl because there was nothing good in her, Wiseman had nothing good in his. She killed Esmeraude not knowing it was her. She let Rubeus die, she left him to his fate because there was nothing good in him. She always extends her hand to her neighbor, when there is good in him.

(manga) Naoko made Usagi a heartless killing machine. She kills everyone and asks no questions. Naoko did the character well based on herself. A heartless killer, and without having to justify herself.
So Usagi should not fight Mamoru in the end of Classic Finale?

The problem is here: Galaixa pretty much killed everyone, of course the audience would want her to get beat down and pay deeply. Since Chaos wasn't presented well as a character.
 
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So you have trouble about Usagi beating Mamoru in Classic Finale?

No it's not grief and revenge, but the need to fight and take down the enemy, that is what Sailor Moon is about.
No, I don't, but I would have a problem if it happened four seasons later, keeping in mind everything @Starlight wrote.

Don't pretend it's something unique and awesome. Countless Shojo anime tried the "oh no fight and redeem" and they mostly ended horribly.
I'm not pretending anything, and I'm not talking about other shoujo anime. I'm talking about Sailor Moon, and with all the problems anime Stars had (and I recognise there were many), Usagi redeeming instead of beating Galaxia is not one of them, IMO.

Galaxia killed everyone, the audience request to get some relief and you can't just do it without a fight, this is why Classic Finale is so great.
What audience are you talking about? Of all the reviews I've read and watched from people who are not part of the fandom and have not read the manga, there wasn't any (as far as I remember) complaining about Usage not fighting Galaxia. Padded episodes, nudity, Starlights, sure, but Usagi redeeming Galaxia is something I've seen mostly from those who were expecting a more faithful adaptation of the final chapters (which hadn't even been published by the time the episodes were made, let's not forget that). And the Classic finale being so great, IMO, has more to do with it's structure (the way the Senshi were killed one by one, and Usagi being helped by their spirits) rather than the fact that Beryl wasn't purified.

The problem is here: Galaixa pretty much killed everyone, of course the audience would want her to get beat down and pay deeply. Since Chaos wasn't presented well as a character.
Again, don't take your personal feelings as being the same as the general audience's. Chaos not being a character makes absolutely no difference here. And let's face it, manga Galaxia is not beaten down, doesn't pay deeply (she has an about face out of the blue and dies quickly) and fans don't seem to have a problem with that.
 
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So you have trouble about Usagi beating Mamoru in Classic Finale?
Except, Usagi doesn't beat Mamoru.

She tries to cleanse him but is ineffective because of Metallia's influence.
Mamoru continues to torture her without her fighting back. It's only when Beryl claims all of the girls' efforts would have been meaningless that Usagi launches one single Tiara Action to Mamoru's stomach.
Which again doesn't do much damage.
She takes out the locket and it's via the locket that Mamoru is purified.

Mamoru ends up dying by protecting Usagi from Beryl's projectiles.

In the 90s anime, people who were possessed by evil entities or who weren't inherently evil (considering they were real characters) were always given a second chance instead of being just blatantly murdered.

In fact, the Senshi kill only a small number of people in the 90s anime.
Most of the death are by the evil guys themselves:
- Jedeite is killed by Beryl
- Nephrite is killed by Zoisite's Youmas
- Zoisite is murdered by Beryl
- Eudial is killed after Mimette sabotages her car
- Mimette is killed after Tellu rips off the power switch
- Both Telulu and Viluy are killed by their own creations
- Cyprin & Ptilol murder each other
- Kaolinite is eliminated by Mistress 9
- Iron Mouse, Seiren and Nyanko are all eliminated by Galaxia
- Lead Crow is killed after being sucked into the Dark Hole

Nonetheless, it doesn't mean any of these deaths aren't shocking nor tragic nor don't have any emotional pull/value.
 
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Except, Usagi doesn't beat Mamoru.

She tries to cleanse him but is ineffective because of Metallia's influence.
Mamoru continues to torture her without her fighting back. It's only when Beryl claims all of the girls' efforts would have been meaningless that Usagi launches one single Tiara Action to Mamoru's stomach.
Which again doesn't do much damage.
She takes out the locket and it's via the locket that Mamoru is purified.

Mamoru ends up dying by protecting Usagi from Beryl's projectiles.

In the 90s anime, people who were possessed by evil entities or who weren't inherently evil (considering they were real characters) were always given a second chance instead of being just blatantly murdered.

In fact, the Senshi kill only a small number of people in the 90s anime.
Most of the death are by the evil guys themselves:
- Jedeite is killed by Beryl
- Nephrite is killed by Zoisite's Youmas
- Zoisite is murdered by Beryl
- Eudial is killed after Mimette sabotages her car
- Mimette is killed after Tellu rips off the power switch
- Both Telulu and Viluy are killed by their own creations
- Cyprin & Ptilol murder each other
- Kaolinite is eliminated by Mistress 9
- Iron Mouse, Seiren and Nyanko are all eliminated by Galaxia
- Lead Crow is killed after being sucked into the Dark Hole

Nonetheless, it doesn't mean any of these deaths aren't shocking nor tragic nor don't have any emotional pull/value.
 

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No, I don't, but I would have a problem if it happened four seasons later, keeping in mind everything @Starlight wrote.
Why? What's wrong to fight your enemy rather than being killed?


QI'm not pretending anything, and I'm not talking about other shoujo anime. I'm talking about Sailor Moon, and with all the problems anime Stars had (and I recognise there were many), Usagi redeeming instead of beating Galaxia is not one of them, IMO.
Sorry to break it but it is, and pretty much one of the biggest of them.


What audience are you talking about? Of all the reviews I've read and watched from people who are not part of the fandom and have not read the manga, there wasn't any (as far as I remember) complaining about Usage not fighting Galaxia. Padded episodes, nudity, Starlights, sure, but Usagi redeeming Galaxia is something I've seen mostly from those who were expecting a more faithful adaptation of the final chapters (which hadn't even been published by the time the episodes were made, let's not forget that).
Why I HATE Stars Ending SO MUCH

Even here, this place got many ppl complain about it.

And the Classic finale being so great, IMO, has more to do with it's structure (the way the Senshi were killed one by one, and Usagi being helped by their spirits) rather than the fact that Beryl wasn't purified.
Not at all.

The Classic Finale being great not because of death, which is big mistake both the anime and the manga of the last season made. We got senshi killed but no such impact was caused.

WHY??

Because in Classic Final their death was meaningful, helped the fight and made Usagi go further, you can see her flashback before decide to stand up and fight Mamoru. Their spirit was also part of it.

Same for Mamoru, he didn't just die, he was able to do something, to show his bright character, and encourage Usagi further.

Neither STARS or Cosmos did it, the Star Lights were trying to be like that but their character development is nowhere close and they helped little. All senshi's death didn't change Usagi much.

And Classic Finale is so good because there is intense fight which is even rare in Shonen manga, if it's just "oh redeem them" rather than a intense fight, it would not receive such memory.


Again, don't take your personal feelings as being the same as the general audience's. Chaos not being a character makes absolutely no difference here. And let's face it, manga Galaxia is not beaten down, doesn't pay deeply (she has an about face out of the blue and dies quickly) and fans don't seem to have a problem with that.
So the audience got no other person to release their anger against these death. It's just how audience works.

It's not like random ppl got killed, but our beloved senshi. Also Galaxia's good side didn't show much.

Let's say another character in Saint Seiya who was also voiced by Mitsuko Horie: Hilda. Her noble self was shown first, the entire brainwash process was shown, then through others' flashback, her good past was told very well. So even though her evil image was ruthless, it went very convincing. She even blamed herself in the end and help the saints.

Also Winter Soldier is a good example: His good self was shown to us in the first movie, his struggle was shown after he regained memory, the ppl who were using him was also the main villains of the 2nd movie. In the 3rd movie we also saw him felt so painful about his past.

Yet still many ppl side with Iron Man in the end because he didn't show enough remorse in that scene, and he didn't get beaten badly.

Imagine if we never saw any of these, but a cold a ruthless killer who killed lovely MCU characters plus some short flashbacks, I doubt anyone would stand with Captain America.


Manga Galaxia didn't kill some of the senshi herself, and she did die in the end. Chaos was shown much more than her. Also the manga's writing on the other senshi were nowhere close to the anime.

Also it's much more realistic to beat your enemy down, then talk about redemption.
 
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Except, Usagi doesn't beat Mamoru.

She tries to cleanse him but is ineffective because of Metallia's influence.
Mamoru continues to torture her without her fighting back.
Before Mamoru was about to kill her, she had all the flashback and determined to fight Mamoru. Which means her previous doing was not the right thing.


It's only when Beryl claims all of the girls' efforts would have been meaningless that Usagi
Yeah and you know Usagi was right to fight.


launches one single Tiara Action to Mamoru's stomach.
Which again doesn't do much damage.

Mamoru was beaten down, obviously badly injured. He was forced to be brought up by the dark energy, and his movement was also affected.



In the 90s anime, people who were possessed by evil entities or who weren't inherently evil (considering they were real characters) were always given a second chance instead of being just blatantly murdered.
Yes, and how were they handled?

Most of them were shown their good side well rather than just briefly mention it. Even not so good ones like Fiore, we got to see his struggle well.
Most of them didn't commit much crime, especially didn't kill any important characters.

The ones who killed important characters, were all killed without mercy: DD Girls, Beryl, Eudial, and almost immediately in 1-2 epsiodes.

Because that's how the audience works, if their beloved characters were killed, they need to get some relief, especially in such situation.

Which is why Galaxia needs a beat down, then talk about redemption.