Do you think there will be another Sailor Moon Reboot someday?

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Clow

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CLAMP's work are now generally treated as Seinen not Josei.
xxxHolic: Seinen

TRC: Shōnen

CCS: Shoujo (published in Nakayoshi)

But CLAMP’s stories attract all audiences. X/1999 is shoujo, as surprisingly as that sounds.

Naoko Takeuchi + the 4 women of CLAMP are my favorite mangakas
 
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Clow

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As far as shoujo goes (kindly correct me if I am wrong), Sailor Moon seems #1, at least in the West.

Magic Knight Rayearth generated an OVA in the 90s, and that’s it.

Cardcaptor Sakura has a sequel, Clear Card, but CLAMP’s storytelling style has changed, and my impression is that only CLAMP fans appreciate it.

There is Precure, which I have never watched, and while there are fans that would like a Precure version of Sailor Moon I, personally, am not one of them.
 

NeoJupiter

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Do you suppose it is because it is a shoujo story?

I have been reading about “The Rose of Versailles,” historical fiction, and apparently written very well. Some fans claim it is not treated well.
Partially and partially because Naoko does have A LOT of control over the franchise (which...is her right as she created it) and seemingly refuses to let the series expand beyond the first 5 stories or beyond Moon being the complete central character. If she pushed for the show to get a new series with new stories and pushing it further into an ensemble show....SM could likely have a HUGE resurgenace.
 

Clow

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Partially and partially because Naoko does have A LOT of control over the franchise (which...is her right as she created it) and seemingly refuses to let the series expand beyond the first 5 stories or beyond Moon being the complete central character. If she pushed for the show to get a new series with new stories and pushing it further into an ensemble show....SM could likely have a HUGE resurgenace.
And what if it doesn’t generate a huge resurgence?

I love Crystal, but IMO TOEI should have animated the first three arcs with the same dedication/budget that it animated Cosmos.

If Sailor Moon is eternally tied to TOEI, we may see poorly animated works and good ones; it depends on what TOEI is up to.
 

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And what if it doesn’t generate a huge resurgence?

I love Crystal, but IMO TOEI should have animated the first three arcs with the same dedication/budget that it animated Cosmos.

If Sailor Moon is eternally tied to TOEI, we may see poorly animated works and good ones; it depends on what TOEI is up to.
It'll always be what if until something actually happens and is actual quality. Not like it will break TOEI if they did a new animated series with money and quality behind it that they are able to sell to foriegn markets.
 

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That's what Crystal should have been. I've come to the conclusion that Toei Animation of the 2010's/2020's isn't familiar with the Sailor Moon product. They took the manga and traced the panels with the respective dialogues to continue cutting costs instead of hiring talented artists who could create a good adaptation.
It's clear Toei never believed a 1:1 adaptation of the manga would have any success.

In a sense, we should thank the stars that the first 2 seasons of Crystal tanked so hard that they had no choice but to review their business approach because it was not viable in the long run for 3 additional seasons or else we'd be stuck with the same crappy quality till the very end :P

Sailor Moon's revival had so much potential but now after dragging it over 10 years, all the magic is gone.
An nth remake in 10 years with the same manga story is worthless.
Unlike what Takeuchi seems to believe, her manga story is not that iconic for it to be endlessly consumed in the same way over and over.

And what if it doesn’t generate a huge resurgence?

I love Crystal, but IMO TOEI should have animated the first three arcs with the same dedication/budget that it animated Cosmos.

If Sailor Moon is eternally tied to TOEI, we may see poorly animated works and good ones; it depends on what TOEI is up to.
The manga medium is still an existing solution you know.

Several other manga series have had spin-offs by younger & talented mangakas in various ways, why can't Sailor Moon?

I don't understand this mindset of fans - we accentuate the fact that Takeuchi is the sole proprietor and creator of Sailor Moon yet it's only via Toei that we deem to expect to have any new material???

Toei has other series to worry about.
 
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I still think releasing some Ovas could work well. They don't even have to commit to making a long series, they can just release whatever story whenever. Like a bunch of Ami's first love's or something. They can [hopefully] have time between releases to polish the animation. If you want a longer story, you can just have multi-part episodes.

Since we're most likely going off of crystal that means no Yuichiro or Ryo


But you can probably do something new and expand on stuff like Mako and Asanuma or go ahead and do Codename Sailor V :minako::artemis:. You won't even have to repeat the 5 arcs again.
 

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In a perfect marriage of collaboration for another reboot, Kunihiko Ikuhara had better creativity for Naoko vision. He done way better to create tension with Uranus and Neptune with Sailor Moon.
He should be reconsidered to be a director. Leave Naoko with some input. But leave the rest to him.
 

Al Evans

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If the story goes on indefinitely… there is the risk that at some point it may become mundane and not special.

Is that a risk fans are willing to take?

:diana:
I don't think that's the only option.

You could simply tell a finite story, bring it to a conclusion. Put the franchise on ice and then do a new version for a new generation 10-20 year later, updating it for modern times.

The musicals and PGSM prove that the premise and characters are FLEXIBLE, capable of giving us very different interpretations of the characters that extrapolate from the same core ideas. I don't see that as particularly different to how there were like 5 quite different Batman cartoons between 1992-2013. And I'm not even saying to make as much Sailor Moon in that short a space of time. Just like every 10-20 years.

Fundamentally, the core stuff SM is about I think appeals universally. Love. Evil. The Cycle of life. Growing up. Friendship. Lonliness. All within the context of a team of superhero school girls.

It could go indefinitely by taking vastly different takes in concept, content, style, format, medium, etc. each time - in short, it must be different enough to make it not boring. :)
Even then, it'd be boring to hardcore fans like us. For youngsters unfamiliar with SM, if you presented the same basic characters and storyline in a way that is suitable to the media landscape of the day (which means taking account of your competiion, changing the pacing, changing the animation style, the music, updating technology and social norms, etc) there is little reason it couldn't work.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles has reinvented itself many times. Some instances more successfully than others but the fact it's been successful multiple times is sort of proof the premise is innately appealing.


Would people actually watch a Chibiusa centered show? SuperS proved that most fans don't care about her(if not outright hate her). Of course Crystal/Eternal/Cosmos Chibiusa is a totally different character compared to the 90's one..but Crystal was not popular enough for people to love this version of her and clamour for more Chibiusa content
You could make it a sequel to Crystal but present it in such a way that it works as its own show. Ultimately it would be a show about a teenager leading a team f superhero school girls in a future where she is the princess of. The comparison i would use is say Ultimate Muscle. It followed the son of the original protagonist and the backstory was there but you didn't NEED to have seen it. It caught an audience.

I guess another example would be, kind of, Dragon Ball Z, which caught Western audiences who had never seen Dragon Ball pre-Z.

If Chibi-Usa was a teenager and you put the substance anc characterisation necesarry behind her, presenting the backstory carefully so as not to alienate people, it could work.

A new reboot could make sense only as a mix of anime and manga elements with some new spins. But then again, why retelling the whole story again? A sequel(either to the 90's anime or the manga/Crystal) is the only anime project making sense from a buisness point of view ..but I don't see it happening
You can retell the same story in many different ways though. Just off the top of my head, what if the Sailor Team is already formed and Usagi is the last member to join? What if the DK are not the first villains they fight? What if we follow the Senshi awakening individually and the team only forms at the end of the first arc ala the Avengers?

Do you suppose it is because it is a shoujo story?

I have been reading about “The Rose of Versailles,” historical fiction, and apparently written very well. Some fans claim it is not treated well.
Yes actually. Someone told me in Toei's eyes Shonen breaks down into different age demos and what not but Shoujo doesn't. it is just 'Girls this age'.

Similarly, as successful as SM was, ratings wise that was relative to it being a Shoujo. Dragon ball GT, which no one liked, that eneded after less than 2 years, and came out when the Dragon ball franchise had already had a lot of fatigue due to the Buu Saga, consistenty had higher ratings than SM did.

Similarly, to my understanding, shonen manga is regarded as more prestigious vs shojo.

Do you suppose it is because it is a shoujo story?

I have been reading about “The Rose of Versailles,” historical fiction, and apparently written very well. Some fans claim it is not treated well.
Partially and partially because Naoko does have A LOT of control over the franchise (which...is her right as she created it) and seemingly refuses to let the series expand beyond the first 5 stories or beyond Moon being the complete central character. If she pushed for the show to get a new series with new stories and pushing it further into an ensemble show....SM could likely have a HUGE resurgenace.
I dunno because didn't she have say in the musicals? Those do a lot of wild things that uses anime ideas and original ones too. Even the newer ones which stick closer to the Manga change stuff up a lot.

I think an easy thing to do something different would be to make the story about Usagi and the inners ala a Sentai season. In other words Usagi is not THE main character but is the most prominent of the 5 main characters.
 
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Clow

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The musicals and PGSM prove that the premise and characters are FLEXIBLE, capable of giving us very different interpretations of the characters that extrapolate from the same core ideas.
As much as PGSM is loved nowadays, it flopped in the early-00s.

Fans of the 90’s anime, at least in the West, hated PGSM and celebrated its failure by gloating that PGSM toys were not selling. Furthermore, if PGSM is a hit today, then why has it not been licensed on DVD/BD for its Western audience?

As I stated in a different thread, I, personally, love and cherish Naoko Takeuchi’s manga. I believe the manga answers questions that the 90’s anime did not explain (for example, how the outer senshi died in the era of the Silver Millennium, killed by Saturn, or how Beryl and the Dark Kingdom resurrected in the present, resurrected by Chaos).

Again, what I feel for the manga reflects exclusively my personal feelings. If a new manga arc is made, I, personally, would only read it if is written and drew by Naoko Takeuchi herself or by CLAMP (or both).

Opinions are my own.
 

Al Evans

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As much as PGSM is loved nowadays, it flopped in the early-00s.

Fans of the 90’s anime, at least in the West, hated PGSM and celebrated its failure by gloating that PGSM toys were not selling. Furthermore, if PGSM is a hit today, then why has it not been licensed on DVD/BD for its Western audience?

As I stated in a different thread, I, personally, love and cherish Naoko Takeuchi’s manga. I believe the manga answers questions that the 90’s anime did not explain (for example, how the outer senshi died in the era of the Silver Millennium, killed by Saturn, or how Beryl and the Dark Kingdom resurrected in the present, resurrected by Chaos).

Again, what I feel for the manga reflects exclusively my personal feelings. If a new manga arc is made, I, personally, would only read it if is written and drew by Naoko Takeuchi herself or by CLAMP (or both).

Opinions are my own.
I think a lot of it flopping is due to
A) it being a LA anime, which dont have a great rep
B) if being lower budget with worse effects compared to say sentai of the era
C) possibly being too soon after SM ended. Ninja turtles did a live action series not so long after the cartoon ended and whilst it was truly awful, it was also in an era where the heat had left the brand. I think to a large extent the same was true of pgsm. It was maybe too soon after the original, when the new generation were aware of the old version and the old generation hadoved on from it. It maybe needed a rest in other words.

When I say pgsm proved the series was flexible I was speaking in regards to it creatively working.

The same characters and story in a new light.

As you say it is beloved now because people recognise the creative strength in the work. I'd liken it to the star wars prequels having become more acceptable now than at the time.

The quality of naomi's manga I dont think matters in the conversation. You could reinterpret the lore and story and answer all the questions within the context of that new interpretation.

It just needs to be good and marketed appropriately
 
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if they don't even do codename sailor v adaption
then whats the point doing another manga faithful adaptation

I say take the IP and do something totally new and do not market it as what came before it, no misleading people

and for Neo Queen Serenitys sake please don't use toei use a different studio and don't over work the staff