Does Anyone Else Prefer Crystal Over The 90s Anime?

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Seira Hazuki

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^ I do think the manga and anime follow opposite trajectories, in a way. While the '90s anime started out amazing and nosedives after SuperS, the manga gets much better after the 2nd arc (although a lot of people seem to hate Stars, so your mileage varies).

Crystal will have the same effect by being closer to the manga. If this season is being received well, I imagine the reception towards Dream will be even better.
 

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Its also untrue how people say there was so many redemption in the 90s anime

Dark Kingdom: no one survived, Nephrite was the only one that got kinda close to change but he died before he could do anything.
Death Busters: no one survived again. Prof Tomoe got to live but he was possesed by Germatoid which also died by the way
Shadow Galactica: no one survived. Galaxia was spared because , once again she was possesed by Chaos whom she previously fought and sealed inside her body to prevent wars (which backfired in the end anyway)

Black Moon: sisters were forgiven and changed. Chiral, Achiral, Rubeus. Esmeraude, Saphire, Demande, Wiseman all died. Saphire was close to have redemption (which made sense because he never liked their methods anyway) but he was killed, Demande started to have doubts after his brothers death and eventually saved Sailor Moon but he still died.

The only one group of foes with lots of redemption was the Dead Moon Circus in which only Zirconia died
 
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I think the villain thing boil down preference to me. When I was younger, I use to be happy when a villain get s redeem. Now that i'm older,I usually get more cleric of it . And generaly thought in Sailor Moon they got redeem to much.(It dosen't help how they redeem were rush too)Anyway I prefer usually more darker,and serious villains . Than I do goofy,and incopanent ones. So I prefer the manga,and crystal ones by a long shot. I felt some viallains were more flesh out,and more interesting in the manga. Except the hench man,but hey hey they were hench men they were not important in the grand scheme things. While the main villains to me were more thought out,and flesh out.
 

Seira Hazuki

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SailorSugababe said:
Its also untrue how people say there was so many redemption in the 90s anime

Dark Kingdom: no one survived, Nephrite was the only one that got kinda close to change but he died before he could do anything.
Death Busters: no one survived again. Prof Tomoe got to live but he was possesed by Germatoid which also died by the way
Shadow Galactica: no one survived. Galaxia was spared because , once again she was possesed by Chaos whom she previously fought and sealed inside her body to prevent wars (which backfired in the end anyway)

Black Moon: sisters were forgiven and changed. Chiral, Achiral, Rubeus. Esmeraude, Saphire, Demande, Wiseman all died. Saphire was close to have redemption (which made sense because he never liked their methods anyway) but he was killed, Demande started to have doubts after his brothers death and eventually saved Sailor Moon but he still died.

The only one group of foes with lots of redemption was the Dead Moon Circus in which only Zirconia died
Plus I think people exaggerate how much more competent the villains in the manga are compared to the anime. Most of the enemies in the manga can barely survive without being one shot'd by Sailor Moon. Half the time these evil organizations blatantly advertise what they're doing (like Dark Rental, really?), making it easy for them to be foiled. They kidnapped almost the entire team of Inners, and didn't do anything with them, when they could have easily been killed. Etc.

Of course, the anime can be just as silly with how it characterizes its villains, but I am always seriously confused when people act as though the manga's villains are some kind of genre savvy enemies. Most of them are pretty much lifted from Super Sentai, anyway.
 

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SakuyamonX said:
Plus I think people exaggerate how much more competent the villains in the manga are compared to the anime. Most of the enemies in the manga can barely survive without being one shot'd by Sailor Moon. Half the time these evil organizations blatantly advertise what they're doing (like Dark Rental, really?), making it easy for them to be foiled. They kidnapped almost the entire team of Inners, and didn't do anything with them, when they could have easily been killed. Etc.

Of course, the anime can be just as silly with how it characterizes its villains, but I am always seriously confused when people act as though the manga's villains are some kind of genre savvy enemies. Most of them are pretty much lifted from Super Sentai, anyway.
Yes exactly, and on top of that seeing characterization is always a good thing. As a result the 90s anime produced many memorable enemies while in the manga there's only a few that stand out (like Demando or Beryl) while the rest is just death fodder
 

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^ And while the MOTD formula of the original anime is often criticized by some fans, some MOTDs are quite memorable, too. :)
 

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So far, in my opinion:
Crystal Dark Kingdom is worse than 90's Dark Kingdom (Terrible subplot of generals and pathetic looking attacks)
Crystal R is worse than Classic R (That villains were much more deeper in classic R)
Crystal S is Better than Classic S (I hated how evil Haruka and Michiru were in old version, while there were some memorable moments, like Super Sailor Moon or Minako Pure heart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqg1KCKMlL4 i still prefer Crystal)
 

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I'm not sure I agree though that the villains in the 90s anime were that much more competent. Just comparing the Dark Kingdom villains, Jadeite spends 13 episodes trying to drain energy but never figures out that if he just brought the energy to Beryl right away instead of standing in some weird random dark room holding it in his hand, that he might actually make some progress that way. Nephrite thought Naru was Sailor Moon for a good portion of the arc even though she looks and acts nothing like Sailor Moon. How many times did Kunzite and his minions completely overlook Usagi and her pals when they were right there in the middle of his traps? Zoisite is probably the closest of the Four Generals to being competent since he actually did succeed in getting the Rainbow Crystals, though apparently he thought keeping the Crystals in a plastic dish tray would be enough to keep them secure. I will agree some of the MOTDs were memorable but too many of them could also be very annoying, like that annoying violin daimon.
 

Seira Hazuki

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Neon Genesis said:
I'm not sure I agree though that the villains in the 90s anime were that much more competent. Just comparing the Dark Kingdom villains, Jadeite spends 13 episodes trying to drain energy but never figures out that if he just brought the energy to Beryl right away instead of standing in some weird random dark room holding it in his hand, that he might actually make some progress that way. Nephrite thought Naru was Sailor Moon for a good portion of the arc even though she looks and acts nothing like Sailor Moon. How many times did Kunzite and his minions completely overlook Usagi and her pals when they were right there in the middle of his traps? Zoisite is probably the closest of the Four Generals to being competent since he actually did succeed in getting the Rainbow Crystals, though apparently he thought keeping the Crystals in a plastic dish tray would be enough to keep them secure. I will agree some of the MOTDs were memorable but too many of them could also be very annoying, like that annoying violin daimon.
But I didn't say anything about the '90s anime villains being more competent though? My point is that the villains in the manga aren't any smarter than in the anime. Consider the fact that literally all of the enemies in the manga seem to know the senshi's secret identities and their best use of that was... Announcing a public chess match. :googly:

(Plus most of the anime's problems were the fact that it had to draw out plots in order to not overtake the manga. Something that they didn't have much control over.)
 

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The point of the chess match is that it was a direct attack against Ami's pride as the number one genius in Japan. I think it showed cleverness on Berthier's part actually that she was able to do so much background research on Ami's reputation in such a short amount of time. The Black Moon didn't just keep the Inners around for nothing but there was strong implications they tortured Sailor Mars for information and it was a psychological attack on Usagi's confidence as much as it was a strategic attack. I never thought the villains being easily killed off by the Sailor Soldiers was a sign of incompetence as much as it was a sign of how powerful the girls were in comparison to the 90s anime that they were so strong they could cause so much damage to major villains. But if we're judging incompetence based on how quickly they die, one could argue the Generals were made to be less incompetent in Crystal that they kept them alive so long and that they were able to survive battle with warriors that were powerful enough to kill them in the source material. I don't think stuff like calling their trap Dark Rental was a sign of incompetence anymore than the Sailor Soldiers not wearing masks to hide their identities made them incompetent. It's just part of the tropes of the magical girl genre and not something that says anything about the characters' effectiveness. And for all the silly cheesy plots, they did have some rather clever ones. I thought it was rather effective for Jadeite to use Ami's reputation to lure in students for their trap and he only got found out in that case because fate brought Usagi and Ami together. But if they were never destined to meet, who knows how long Jadeite would have gotten away with that.
 

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Rika-Chicchi said:
^ And while the MOTD formula of the original anime is often criticized by some fans, some MOTDs are quite memorable, too. :)
The MOTD formula made the old anime basically a sentai show, but a lot of the monsters were great and entertaining. I just wish the monster battles from SuperS~Sailor Stars were on the level of some seen in season 1-S.
 

Seira Hazuki

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It's not the fact that most of the manga's villains die easily that make them seem incompetent but the fact that they almost never change their strategies and end up with a ton of casualties on their own side. The villains in the manga seem to usually be on much more friendlier terms than in the anime - why don't they ever team up?

I don't think a chess match is the most clever thing they could have come up with knowing the girls' secret identities. Why has no one thought of targeting any of their families?

Surely it's a bit of a double standard to excuse the manga with following tropes when that's usually what the 90s anime gets criticized for?
 

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SailorSugababe said:
Its also untrue how people say there was so many redemption in the 90s anime

Dark Kingdom: no one survived, Nephrite was the only one that got kinda close to change but he died before he could do anything.
Death Busters: no one survived again. Prof Tomoe got to live but he was possesed by Germatoid which also died by the way
Shadow Galactica: no one survived. Galaxia was spared because , once again she was possesed by Chaos whom she previously fought and sealed inside her body to prevent wars (which backfired in the end anyway)

Black Moon: sisters were forgiven and changed. Chiral, Achiral, Rubeus. Esmeraude, Saphire, Demande, Wiseman all died. Saphire was close to have redemption (which made sense because he never liked their methods anyway) but he was killed, Demande started to have doubts after his brothers death and eventually saved Sailor Moon but he still died.

The only one group of foes with lots of redemption was the Dead Moon Circus in which only Zirconia died
I believe in was implied in the finale of Sailor Stars that Sailor Galaxia would return the starseeds of the senshi she took them from to their rightful homes thus reviving the senshi. I think all of the senshi that died at the end of the Stars manga also got their starseeds back thanks to Sailor Moon.
kamil88 said:
So far, in my opinion:
Crystal Dark Kingdom is worse than 90's Dark Kingdom (Terrible subplot of generals and pathetic looking attacks)
Crystal R is worse than Classic R (That villains were much more deeper in classic R)
Crystal S is Better than Classic S (I hated how evil Haruka and Michiru were in old version, while there were some memorable moments, like Super Sailor Moon or Minako Pure heart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqg1KCKMlL4 i still prefer Crystal)
Haruka and Michiru were not evil in the old version they were just doing what they thought would save the world. According to all of the information at hand the only way to save the world was to sacrifice some people they did not want to do this but they thought there was no other way where as the inners just wanted to wing it and hope for the best.

Me personally I agree with you on the first two seasons but I think that Classic S is much better then Crystal S. The storyline was done better, we got much more character development and the villains especially Kaolinite, Eudial and Mimete were given development and personalities.
 

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If we're talking pure Crystal(and not the actual Manga) then I'd say

Dark Kingdom - 90's
Black Moon - Crystal
Infinity - Crystal


The changes to Crystal's Dark Kingdom were by far for the worse . The Shittennou "subplot" wasn't even developed at all , and the Beyrl battle was weaker .
Whereas the 90's had alot of fun side episodes and the final two episodes were beyond epic . However I prefer the Manga's DK arc overall

Crystal's Black Moon has the edge over R , I love R but I enjoyed the final third of Crystal's alot . Pluto's death the transformation into and out of Black Lady and NQS meeting Sailor Moon felt so impactful . The 90's did a great job giving the sisters more screen time .

Crystal Infinity wins by default . Manga/Crystal Infinity is my favorite storyline in all of Sailor Moon .
 

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Dark Kingdom - PGSM (90s in second place)

Black Moon - Crystal - No breakup nonsense and Chibiusa's not as bad here.

Infinity - It's not over yet but Crystal's looking good so far. Don't want to compare yet because it might go downhill at some point like Dark Kingdom did. *coughAct12cough*

As for the yet to be announced...

Dream - Crystal - It would have to take a lot to screw this arc up and make SuperS better in comparison (and this is from one of the few who likes SuperS but I like the manga version a lot more).

Stars - Unless there are some changes made for Crystal that make sense, it won't be good and neither was 90s.

* - Not counting the all-filler arcs in R & Stars which were better than their canon arcs.
 

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Generally speaking I prefer the manga over the 90s anime though I think S and the first season are the best seasons of the 90s anime. PGSM is my favorite adaptation of the Dark Kingdom arc, and I have a nostalgic attachment to the Stars anime, though I still prefer the manga over it.
 
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Dark Kingdom : PGSM, 90s, Crystal
Black Moon : kinda a tie for me if you take out the dull episodes of R in 90s
Infinity: Actually even though the season isnt finished. Crystal is leading the race. I hope it doesnt drop in quality.

It has so many priceless moments so far.
 

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For the moment this is my view for what I think is the best version for each "season"

Dark Kingdom = PGSM, 90s anime and the manga (I say manga and not Crystal because of the senxshi and other complaints I have about Crystal's version of this arc)

Black Moon = Crystal/Manga
(Honorable mention to the Ali/en arc the better part of R in the 90s anime, it even made me not hate 90s Chiba during this one arc only to do a 180 in the next half of R making me forever despise his character in the 90s anime though this wasn't the initial cause it's just the final straw)

Infinity = for the moment S as it's my favorite season of the 90s anime

Crystal just started it's version so I can't say anything yet but so far so good
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Too early for Crystal so this part is for the existing versions

Dream = Manga
best version of this arc

Stars = doesn't really matter to me nowadays I'm indifferent to this arc outside the Nehelenia arc in the 90s anime but I choose the manga over it's 90s anime counterpart
 

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Rika-Chicchi said:
^ And while the MOTD formula of the original anime is often criticized by some fans, some MOTDs are quite memorable, too. :)
They were one of my favorite parts of watching Sailor Moon as a little kid since they were so cool and interesting. And they are definitely memorable and hilarious. I like how the writers' ideas of monster would be a woman wearing nothing but stars on her boobs or a woman wearing a giant shoe and a thong.
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Rika-Chicchi said:
^ And while the MOTD formula of the original anime is often criticized by some fans, some MOTDs are quite memorable, too. :)
The MOTD formula made the old anime basically a sentai show, but a lot of the monsters were great and entertaining. I just wish the monster battles from SuperS~Sailor Stars were on the level of some seen in season 1-S.
I agree. The monster battles in the first few seasons were interesting and had all of the Senshi attack in the battle and get their share of spotlight.

In SuperS sometimes the monster would be interesting but the fight is wayy to short and it's all Moon Gorgeous Meditation and that's it.

In Stars the fights were boring and short and the Starlights had to save the day always, rarely ever the Inners and barely the Outers.