Haruka is not trans or non binary

[MariaTenebre]

I am sick of how the wokeists are trying to do the whole Prince Uranus thing from the 90s. Haruka is a girl Naoko Takeuchi stated that Haruka has the characteristics of both a woman and a man but is still a woman and when asked on the matter she stated "Haruka is a girl and always will be a girl." Again it only serves to remove the homosexuality from the relationship as according to modern day wokeism non binary people are neither male nor female but a different sex outside of masculinity or femininity so if Haruka is non binary that makes her and Michiru's relationship a heterosexual one as it is between people of 2 different genders not 2 women.

 

[SkullMonkey92]

I don’t think it makes it straight, but it’s not gay either.

I’m one of the non-binary people you hate so much, btw. I’m not “wOkE” just for existing. All I want to do is just live my life with my fiancé until an old age in a house in the mountains with a bunch of cats and be called they/them.

If non-binary people see something in Sailor Uranus or the Starlight’s, then what’s the problem? Trans rep is practically nil, especially non-binary rep.

 

[MariaTenebre]

I don’t think it makes it straight, but it’s not gay either.

I’m one of the non-binary people you hate so much, btw. I’m not “wOkE” just for existing. All I want to do is just live my life with my fiancé until an old age in a house in the mountains with a bunch of cats and be called they/them.

If non-binary people see something in Sailor Uranus or the Starlight’s, then what’s the problem? Trans rep is practically nil, especially non-binary rep.

I don't hate non binary people. I think that much of the concept is contradictory and dosen't make sense but I am not against non binary people on principle I just think it needs to be defined, understood and explained.

Also trans and non binary are not the same trans is a person who the brain sex of the opposite gender who hopefully can transition to be the opposite sex.

Non binary people on the other hand will say on the one hand that they are outside of the gender binary but such a thing is impossible as nothing is outside of the binary. Now you can be in the middle of the binary IE equally masculine and feminine and having the characteristics of both but if that is the case you wouldn't be upset if people called you he or she. You would find both acceptable. Plus the use of a plural pronoun in a singular setting can be confusing to say the least.

Also some non binary people even go beyond just saying they are androgynous or outside of masculinity and femininity and say that they are weird genders like graygender, ramgendered, godgendered etc that just make no sense.

Like for instance if non binary were the gender version of say hermaphrodites as a sex then it would be acceptable to call them either he or she as it would be for a hermaphrodite that didn't identify as a man or woman etc instead of they which is awkward when used as a singular.

Also I hope you do find a partner you love to grow old in the mountains with cats. Just be careful as mountain folk aren't exactly progressive etc.

Personally I don't like the country I would love to live in a city but a good one not one where say a riot could break out if something happens or there is tons of shoplifting, looting and homeless encampments.

 

[DREWdesu]

I agree that Haruka is a cis-female but prefers to dress however she pleases not how she identifies based on her personality. We don't know how aware Naoko was of the LGBTQIA+ so we can't really say what she wrote meant that Haruka is non-binary. So it can be up to the reader to see what Michiru's line meant in the manga but I believe Haruka was always designed to be a female only to be seen like a male during her debut until we got to know more about her character.

 

[ChampionOfNuggets]

Not the scurry wokeist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *runs and screams and jumps out of building*


I agree that Haruka is simply a cis lesbian with gender fluid expression (and in the 90s anime presents as masc all the time). Plenty of real life gay women wear clothing associated with men and keep their hair short and engage in masculine activities and still identify with their biological sex.

Still worth pointing out two things

Haruka does use the "boku" pronoun, which is typically used by males as opposed to watashi of atashi. It doesn’t mean she's trans or non-binary as even tomboyish women use boku and it's just to show that Haruka is a more masculine woman than anything, but I think it's still worth acknowledging

I don't think non-binary identities were really understood in the 90s. We also saw works of fiction and people make little distinction between drag queens and trans women. It's not unsurprising if non-binary people latch onto Haruka when she has lines like "man? Woman? Does it matter?" Sailor Moon is ultimately a work of fiction limited by the feelings and experiences of its creator. I think Naoko Takeuchi appreciates gender bending (women dressing and presenting as men like Haruka, men appearing feminine or cross dressing like Zoicite and Hawk's Eye) but I also think she still sees people's biological sex as absolute. Haruka is a woman because she has a vagina, Hawk Eye is a male because he has a penis.

 

[Memento]

Did Naoko explicitly conceive Haruka as trans or nonbinary? Of course not. Those are not terms she would have been familiar with at the time. But that doesn't mean the text doesn't support reading Haruka that way, and after thirty years, who knows how Naoko views Haruka today.

 

[kasumigenx]

Haruka does use the "boku" pronoun, which is typically used by males as opposed to watashi of atashi. It doesn’t mean she's trans or non-binary as even tomboyish women use boku and it's just to show that Haruka is a more masculine woman than anything, but I think it's still worth acknowledging

Watashi is a polite pronoun, Atashi, Ore, and Boku are gender-specific and informal, Haruka later uses Atashi later in the plot of the manga and dresses feminine in the manga so Haruka is femme in the manga not butch.

 

[Masquerade]

Did Naoko explicitly conceive Haruka as trans or nonbinary? Of course not. Those are not terms she would have been familiar with at the time. But that doesn't mean the text doesn't support reading Haruka that way, and after thirty years, who knows how Naoko views Haruka today.

I'm pretty sure she still views her as a lesbian woman, considering her age and the society she lives in.
None of us do know her in person, but it's very unlikely a Japanese woman in her 50s busy with kids and business is well aware of what "nonbinary" is. But I agree Haruka can get read that way.
However, there's absolutely no room for transexuality in her character and I can't see even why there's a discussion around this. The Amazon Trio fits that description better.

 

[MsImagination]

I am going to say this.I think it's very dumb looking at past works.Try put other ideology to fit it.Especially ignore time period or the culture at that time.Haruka is definitely not non binary.

Naoko said she was a girl in interviews.That is it , I doubt that a Japanese woman in the 90s know non binary is.

 

[ChampionOfNuggets]

Watashi is a polite pronoun, Atashi, Ore, and Boku are gender-specific and informal, Haruka later uses Atashi later in the plot of the manga and dresses feminine in the manga so Haruka is femme in the manga not butch.

She's both femme AND butch in the manga. That's the whole point of "Haruka has the strength of both sexes". I think gender fluid is a better descriptor of Haruka in the manga, albeit Takeuchi obviously identifies her as a woman.


Like, the people who want to read Haruka as non-binary or whatever aren't wrong. It's not uncommon for fans to read things into characters they identify with i.e autism, bpd, non-binary, asexual, gay (although with cis gay rep being way more common there's less of a reason to do so) .

Y'all it shouldn't impact your enjoyment if someone wants to read Haruka as non-binary, or Usagi as autistic or whatever.

I do agree with @Masquerade that the trans label really doesn't seem accurate for Haruka and it does seem more apt for the Amazon Trio

 

[kasumigenx]

She's both femme AND butch in the manga. That's the whole point of "Haruka has the strength of both sexes". I think gender fluid is a better descriptor of Haruka in the manga, albeit Takeuchi obviously identifies her as a woman.


Like, the people who want to read Haruka as non-binary or whatever aren't wrong. It's not uncommon for fans to read things into characters they identify with i.e autism, bpd, non-binary, asexual, gay (although with cis gay rep being way more common there's less of a reason to do so) .

Y'all it shouldn't impact your enjoyment if someone wants to read Haruka as non-binary, or Usagi as autistic or whatever.

I do agree with @Masquerade that the trans label really doesn't seem accurate for Haruka and it does seem more apt for the Amazon Trio

She is not trans because she lacks dysphoria which is one of the characteristics of the Trans label.

 

[flockapowpow]

I think it’s open to interpretation, honestly I believe Haruka is non-binary but I’m not pressed at fans who perceive her as a woman.

I do think it serves to point out though that there are plenty of people who don’t identify with the gender binary but still consider themselves homosexual

 

[Maraviollantes]

I am going to say this.I think it's very dumb looking at past works.Try put other ideology to fit it.Especially ignore time period or the culture at that time. Haruka is definitely not non binary.

Naoko said she was a girl in interviews.That is it , I doubt that a Japanese woman in the 90s know non binary is.

Japanese society changes, much like the rest of the world. So if we get another interview from Naoko in the future, it may turn out that Dumbledore was gay Haruka was non-binary or transgender from the very beginning, and Naoko just wasn't ready to reveal it back then due to social prejudices.

 

[MsImagination]

Japanese society changes, much like the rest of the world. So if we get another interview from Naoko in the future, it may turn out that Dumbledore was gay Haruka was non-binary or transgender from the very beginning, and Naoko just wasn't ready to reveal it back then due to social prejudices.

I really doubt that would happen.When authors do this it was either hinted at the series.If not it's just for clout and did not happen.

 

[STARDUST.]

I think once people stop using “woke” incorrectly first and foremost, or stop being mad at people for how they identify with a fictional character and their interpretation of said character that brings them some enjoyment, then perhaps society will be better off

That said, I usually just read/watch Haruka as choosing to present a touch more masculine in style while maintaining a feminine quality. However, there are obviously a couple lines stated that have other people reading Haruka’s identity and such to be open and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Plus, I really don’t think anyone’s “forcing” an entire fandom to change their view of a character (there are people who view plenty of the characters as being bi, while I personally don’t) - but just because there are people who view Haruka somewhat differently than me doesn’t mean I’m going to hate them for it because hating them would just actually be so silly

 

[NeoJupiter]

I am all for these types of conversations but when we start it with "woke" just because someone rather be ignorant...makes it hard.

I see Haruka as a lesbian who just chooses to not be that flashy and conform to gender norms.

 

[Maraviollantes]

I see Haruka as a lesbian who just chooses to not be that flashy and conform to gender norms.

Sounds like a pretty accurate definition for "non-binary person" to me.

If a woman chooses to ignore all female gender norms and we say her gender is still female, then what is the definition for "female gender" anyway?

 

[ChampionOfNuggets]

If a woman chooses to ignore all female gender norms and we say her gender is still female, then what is the definition for "female gender" anyway?

Someone who identifies as a woman.

 

[Maraviollantes]

Someone who identifies as a woman.

I saw this coming. Therefore: Naoko said Haruka is a girl (objective fact), but she never said Haruka identifies as a girl. And since subjective self-identification is the only thing that matters (according to some) for differentiating between genders, it's quite possible Haruka is non-binary or even male.

 

[YuYu Yuichiro]

Not the scurry wokeist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *runs and screams and jumps out of building*

You forgot to set yourself on fire.