I rewatched Cosmos today... and it got worse

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Well, it was clear by the end of SuperS that it wasn't the best move, but we have the benefit of hindsight. At the moment, maybe they felt sales were going down because things had got too serious. And, given Naoko Takeuchi felt like treading fairy tale territory with the new arc, it might have made sense to the suits, even if they were ultimate proven to be wrong.



If we're to believe Tuxedo Unmasked, Michiru wasn't popular at all, and Haruka, while popular, was behind Ami and Minako (and, occasionally, Hotaru) in terms of popularity.
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Also, I suppose the characters' popularity didn't necessarily reflect in their toy sales. After all, considering the anime was somewhat popular among boys and teenage boys as well, a considerable part of the public weren't likely to buy merchandise at all.
I think the sales went down mostly due to Sailor Moon isn't that new anymore and ending of S wasn't that good. The view rating was going high. If you want to go fairy tale without much serious conflict, then there were tons of other choices.

Not sure why, Michiru is so beautiful. One of the most beautiful anime girls I've ever seen.
 

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Well, it was clear by the end of SuperS that it wasn't the best move, but we have the benefit of hindsight. At the moment, maybe they felt sales were going down because things had got too serious. And, given Naoko Takeuchi felt like treading fairy tale territory with the new arc, it might have made sense to the suits, even if they were ultimate proven to be wrong.
I have a theory. Besides, I think Sailor Moon S toys had great results because the quality of SuperS toys and the animation in general had a good upgrade.
 
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I think the sales went down mostly due to Sailor Moon isn't that new anymore and ending of S wasn't that good. The view rating was going high. If you want to go fairy tale without much serious conflict, then there were tons of other choices.
I don't think the ending of S could have had so much impact, but the novelty wearing off definitely seems like a key factor.

I have a theory. Besides, I think Sailor Moon S toys had great results because the quality of SuperS toys and the animation in general had a good upgrade.
And what's you theory, Lady Pen?
 
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In a way, I think it's because we've been sort of trained to expect that in the end there will be a wedding and that the battle should always be/feel bigger than all the previous ones.
To me it wasn't about a bigger battle, wedding, or Sailor Cosmos, it's simply because the Stars arc was written to be a conclusion to the entire series, and from what I've read, when people say that they prefer it as an ending, it's because of that. The connections might be brief or vague and I know that style is disliked by some vocal posters here, but they still exist and Stars' Chaos ties all previous arcs together, so the final battle feels like the culmination of all of the manga. In contrast, after Shadow Galactica arrives Sailor Stars felt like another season with the same structure and setting, and the ending was more of a season finale than a series finale
 

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To me it wasn't about a bigger battle, wedding, or Sailor Cosmos, it's simply because the Stars arc was written to be a conclusion to the entire series, and from what I've read, when people say that they prefer it as an ending, it's because of that. The connections might be brief or vague and I know that style is disliked by some vocal posters here, but they still exist and Stars' Chaos ties all previous arcs together, so the final battle feels like the culmination of all of the manga. In contrast, after Shadow Galactica arrives Sailor Stars felt like another season with the same structure and setting, and the ending was more of a season finale than a series finale
I think it would have been better if Bandai and TOEI took risks and fleshed Igarashi and Naoko's initial plans for Sailor Stars but that would mean that the Stars Manga would have retained its initial plans as well.

Eternal and Cosmos inherited the Sailor Stars curse where things get scrapped in development then they do things near to the deadline, I feel regrets for the Crystal project because they did not try things that Bandai, TOEI, or Osabu scrapped like the Dark Kingdom arc of Crystal did.
 

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Well, it was clear by the end of SuperS that it wasn't the best move, but we have the benefit of hindsight. At the moment, maybe they felt sales were going down because things had got too serious. And, given Naoko Takeuchi felt like treading fairy tale territory with the new arc, it might have made sense to the suits, even if they were ultimate proven to be wrong.



If we're to believe Tuxedo Unmasked, Michiru wasn't popular at all, and Haruka, while popular, was behind Ami and Minako (and, occasionally, Hotaru) in terms of popularity.
Why Was Ami the Most Popular of the Sailor Soldiers?

How Did the Sailor Moon Cast’s Popularity Differ in the Anime and Manga?

Also, I suppose the characters' popularity didn't necessarily reflect in their toy sales. After all, considering the anime was somewhat popular among boys and teenage boys as well, a considerable part of the public weren't likely to buy merchandise at all.
Sailor Moon S did really well, I think no one, or almost no one, would disagree with that. My theory is that the change that happened in the fourth year of the franchise was something that had been brewing since mid-1994. These kinds of major shifts aren’t decided overnight, especially not for a franchise that was raking in millions. Think about it. The audience following Sailor Moon weren’t just little kids anymore; there were also teenagers and even adults, many of them otakus. Sailor Moon was facing two major changes in the anime scene – one revolutionary and the other generational.

On the revolutionary side, there was the arrival of Evangelion, which forever changed anime, and a lot of otakus were already turning their attention in that direction. But as I mentioned, there was a much more inevitable change – the generational one. In Japan, being a 7- or 8-year-old girl and watching a Mahou Shoujo anime doesn’t quite fit. Sooner or later, the kids who had been following Usagi’s adventures since season one would abandon the anime for other shonen series. Changing the protagonist and tone of the show to reset things was the most sensible move from a business perspective to gain new followers.

I believe it was the ‘how’ and not the ‘what’ that ruined the anime’s trajectory (the manga was already floundering in Nakayoshi). Toei shouldn’t have abandoned the Inners and Usagi so abruptly and should’ve made a more gradual transition. And of course, the pacing should’ve been smoother, with higher-quality subplots, given that the manga didn’t provide enough material (like those four unfinished stories of the Inners) to cover 20 episodes.

The toys from the S season were very well received, considering the quality of the animation and the toys of SuperS. This leads us to the extra investment Bandai and Toei put into SuperS and the strong faith they still had in the product. Sailor Stars is the perfect example of this, given the quality of its toys and the near-total lack of coordination between Toei and Bandai, that they didn’t recover everything invested in SuperS.

Again, this is just my theory based on the limited information we have. Revamping the product wasn’t a bad idea; it was how they tried to do it that was the issue. Sailor Stars had the opposite effect – they invested less, and it was a more serious story with more dramatic characters for an audience that had shrunk down to just little girls. The designs weren’t very appealing either, which didn’t help boost toy sales. The adult otakus... well, they had other shows to watch. After Evangelion, who wanted to watch Sailor Stars?
 

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Again, this is just my theory based on the limited information we have. Revamping the product wasn’t a bad idea; it was how they tried to do it that was the issue. Sailor Stars had the opposite effect – they invested less, and it was a more serious story with more dramatic characters for an audience that had shrunk down to just little girls. The designs weren’t very appealing either, which didn’t help boost toy sales. The adult otakus... well, they had other shows to watch. After Evangelion, who wanted to watch Sailor Stars?
Again, they should had made risks for the last season but from what I had seen, TOEI has been planning Cutey Honey Flash around the time Super S started to air in 1995...
 
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To me it wasn't about a bigger battle, wedding, or Sailor Cosmos, it's simply because the Stars arc was written to be a conclusion to the entire series, and from what I've read, when people say that they prefer it as an ending, it's because of that. The connections might be brief or vague and I know that style is disliked by some vocal posters here, but they still exist and Stars' Chaos ties all previous arcs together, so the final battle feels like the culmination of all of the manga. In contrast, after Shadow Galactica arrives Sailor Stars felt like another season with the same structure and setting, and the ending was more of a season finale than a series finale
Okay, but let's stop there for a moment. Cosmos showed that adapting every single panel of the manga would take between eight and twelve episodes (if they wanted to slow things down). That's roughly the same amount of episodes we have if we count the Neherenia mini-arc and the Stars season finale. That means they still would have to come up with something to fill the roughly twenty episodes left in the season, which would be a thankless task if the MotW format had been ditched altogether. And having a whole season of episodes similar to the first or laat six episodes would be a shoot on the foot - Sailor Moon was a kids and family-orientated show after all, there's no way having an entire season full of mostly grim and despair (like it's manga counterpart) would sit well with the general audience.

Stars as a whole does feel a bit tired because the format was worn out by then, but I stand by my opinion that the criticism of "it doesn't feel like a series finale" is prejudiced and unwarranted. If we ignore the wedding and Sailor Cosmos, the arc is not that different from anything that has come before, except for window dressing such as the quick mention on how every previous enemy was in a way born out of chaos. The way I see it, it's too hard for any work to live up to the hype and anticipation fans have for its finale, and Sailor Moon is another victim of this curse (and it all got worse because especially English-speaking fans built up this whole fantasy of Stars being the unimaginable, forbidden, censored season that no one). Then, of course, the manga had all this exotic, enticing quality, because "it's the author's view, it's Sailor Moon the way you've never seen it" and all that jazz, so even if what manga Stars does is mostly throw things at the wall to see what stuck, for all its disjointed nature and gratuitous schok value, it got its reputation of a bold, epic narrative.


Sailor Moon S did really well, I think no one, or almost no one, would disagree with that. My theory is that the change that happened in the fourth year of the franchise was something that had been brewing since mid-1994. These kinds of major shifts aren’t decided overnight, especially not for a franchise that was raking in millions. Think about it. The audience following Sailor Moon weren’t just little kids anymore; there were also teenagers and even adults, many of them otakus. Sailor Moon was facing two major changes in the anime scene – one revolutionary and the other generational.

On the revolutionary side, there was the arrival of Evangelion, which forever changed anime, and a lot of otakus were already turning their attention in that direction. But as I mentioned, there was a much more inevitable change – the generational one. In Japan, being a 7- or 8-year-old girl and watching a Mahou Shoujo anime doesn’t quite fit. Sooner or later, the kids who had been following Usagi’s adventures since season one would abandon the anime for other shonen series. Changing the protagonist and tone of the show to reset things was the most sensible move from a business perspective to gain new followers.

I believe it was the ‘how’ and not the ‘what’ that ruined the anime’s trajectory (the manga was already floundering in Nakayoshi). Toei shouldn’t have abandoned the Inners and Usagi so abruptly and should’ve made a more gradual transition. And of course, the pacing should’ve been smoother, with higher-quality subplots, given that the manga didn’t provide enough material (like those four unfinished stories of the Inners) to cover 20 episodes.

The toys from the S season were very well received, considering the quality of the animation and the toys of SuperS. This leads us to the extra investment Bandai and Toei put into SuperS and the strong faith they still had in the product. Sailor Stars is the perfect example of this, given the quality of its toys and the near-total lack of coordination between Toei and Bandai, that they didn’t recover everything invested in SuperS.

Again, this is just my theory based on the limited information we have. Revamping the product wasn’t a bad idea; it was how they tried to do it that was the issue. Sailor Stars had the opposite effect – they invested less, and it was a more serious story with more dramatic characters for an audience that had shrunk down to just little girls. The designs weren’t very appealing either, which didn’t help boost toy sales. The adult otakus... well, they had other shows to watch. After Evangelion, who wanted to watch Sailor Stars?
It does make sense to me (even if I'm not completely sure Evangelion had that big an effect on the destiny of the Sailor Moon franchise), but do I understand correctly from what you wrote that, in your opinion, the manga only kept on going because the anime was successful? I haven't got a clue how popular Sailor Moon was in Nakayoshi and I'm not fluent in Japanese, so I reckon perusing the Nakayoshi scans wouldn't be very fruitful...

And wow, do you remember the quality of the merchandise related to each specific season? I'm really an amateur!
 
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It may be because I'm in the US where seasons 3-4 aired a few years after seasons 1-2, but most of the nostalgia I've seen for the series comes from the early seasons, especially Classic. I have to wonder if it's because the series lost so much of itself as time went on. The inner girls went from secondary main characters to barely being present, Mamoru went from having his own life to only talking to Usagi and Chibiusa, and the plots moved away from teenage antics to having just about everything revolve around senshi, princesses, and magic crystals. It's possible the fans stopped watching SM as much because it was no longer giving them what they loved it for.
 
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That means they still would have to come up with something to fill the roughly twenty episodes left in the season, which would be a thankless task if the MotW format had been ditched altogether.
You went on a tangent justifying the MotW format but I'm not saying they had to ditch it, they could have used it and still attempt a sense of series finality by at least tying the previous seasons to Shadow Galactica like the manga did. It would have been easy since Galaxia freed Nehelenia at the start, they just didn't build up the connections because the anime seasons were usually meant to be standalone.

Stars as a whole does feel a bit tired because the format was worn out by then, but I stand by my opinion that the criticism of "it doesn't feel like a series finale" is prejudiced and unwarranted.
Well, it just doesn't. Call it window dressing and like it or not, but the manga tries to build off elements shown in previous arcs, like the Silver Crystal attracting enemies, everyone having a star inside of them, the senshi powers coming from their inner crystals, the animal companions being aliens, the existence of other Sailors, all past big villains having the same goal, and the constant references and flashbacks to the previous arcs obviously helps it feel like a series finale. The anime adapted some of this but didn't try to make it a callback to what came before, its ending is limited in scope to its own season, and this makes it feel like a season finale, and I don't see how it's prejudiced or unwarranted to point that out, that's just how they were designed, and you can prefer one or the other.

If we ignore the wedding and Sailor Cosmos, the arc is not that different from anything that has come before, except for window dressing such as the quick mention on how every previous enemy was in a way born out of chaos.
Even if you want to disregard Shadow Galactica linking the previous arcs, Stars is the only arc that moves away from Earth into deep space and the only arc where everyone keeps dying from the start. They've briefly gone to the moon and Nemesis before but not outside the solar system for half an arc, and Black Moon kidnapped some of the senshi but didn't kill them, and you might dismiss or dislike these things but they still set Stars apart.

The way I see it, it's too hard for any work to live up to the hype and anticipation fans have for its finale, and Sailor Moon is another victim of this curse
It is hard but the manga did live up the expectations for the finale that I and many others had, and just for context, Stars wasn't some forbidden season or exotic manga to me, I just prefer it for the reasons I'm stating. If the Stars manga had been a mostly standalone final arc and the anime was the one that drew from previous seasons, I would prefer the anime.

the manga only kept on going because the anime was successful?
Naoko has said she had planned the manga to end with the Dark Kingdom arc and that she was asked to continue the story after the series, including the anime, became so popular, so this is true. Whether this also applies to the other arcs is hard to say, but Infinity and Dream end on cliffhangers that allude to what's coming next so for those she must have known in advance she would be continuing the manga, and Stars seems to be written as a the final arc from the start.
 
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Naoko has said she had planned the manga to end with the Dark Kingdom arc and that she was asked to continue the story after the series, including the anime, became so popular, so this is true. Whether this also applies to the other arcs is hard to say, but Infinity and Dream end on cliffhangers that allude to what's coming next so for those she must have known in advance she would be continuing the manga, and Stars seems to be written as a the final arc from the start.
The last arc with Usagi as MC at least.
She wanted a Chibiusa and Quartet story after Stars originally and even said so in her artbooks, I think that would have been a thing if Naoko did not kill off the Starlights in the manga.
 
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You went on a tangent justifying the MotW format but I'm not saying they had to ditch it, they could have used it and still attempt a sense of series finality by at least tying the previous seasons to Shadow Galactica like the manga did. It would have been easy since Galaxia freed Nehelenia at the start, they just didn't build up the connections because the anime seasons were usually meant to be standalone.
I didn't go on a tangent, the thing is that it's a common complaint that Stars had the same structure as the other seasons, it stuck to the same MotW format and therefore it feels as more of the same rather than a grand finale. But surely such criticism may not be all there is to it, and it may not be your main point now that you developed it further. Still, I'll agree with you that anime Stars could (should?) have added some nods to the events and characters that have come before, even though I still think the connections you mention the manga had are largely overblown, more on that later.

Well, it just doesn't. Call it window dressing and like it or not, but the manga tries to build off elements shown in previous arcs, like the Silver Crystal attracting enemies, everyone having a star inside of them, the senshi powers coming from their inner crystals, the animal companions being aliens, the existence of other Sailors, all past big villains having the same goal, and the constant references and flashbacks to the previous arcs obviously helps it feel like a series finale. The anime adapted some of this but didn't try to make it a callback to what came before, its ending is limited in scope to its own season, and this makes it feel like a season finale, and I don't see how it's prejudiced or unwarranted to point that out, that's just how they were designed, and you can prefer one or the other.
My problem with this way of reading is that what you call "building off elements shown in previous arcs" is more like retconing and bringing up ideas only to not develop them further. Phobos and Deimos being aliens comes out of nowhere in the Dream Arc and it's never explained or detailed, then it's suddenly brought up again in Stars and it's still inconsequential. The cats being from another planet is also something that comes out of the blue and is never developed. The existence of other Sailors out of the Solar System and everyone having Sailor Crystals are new concepts and, while I'll concede that the Silver Crystal attracting enemies is a nice touch, the way it's mentioned is so brief (just like the mentions of past villains) it becomes one more element in a disjointed parade of ideas that are never explored. If this makes you feel like a more fitting finale, that's great. But the way I see it, it's clinging to crumbles, overrating and overblowing throwaway elements. One more time, if it works for you (and apparently it works for a considerable part of the fandom), great. However, while I can say something is not my cup of tea while recognising it has a lot of merit, it's hard to see manga Stars as anything but a messy patchwork of shock value and platitudes.

Even if you want to disregard Shadow Galactica linking the previous arcs, Stars is the only arc that moves away from Earth into deep space and the only arc where everyone keeps dying from the start. They've briefly gone to the moon and Nemesis before but not outside the solar system for half an arc, and Black Moon kidnapped some of the senshi but didn't kill them, and you might dismiss or dislike these things but they still set Stars apart.
And yet moving into deep space makes no difference whatsoever, Galaxia's base might as well have been on a mountain in Tibet of an underground military facility in Arizona.


Naoko has said she had planned the manga to end with the Dark Kingdom arc and that she was asked to continue the story after the series, including the anime, became so popular, so this is true. Whether this also applies to the other arcs is hard to say, but Infinity and Dream end on cliffhangers that allude to what's coming next so for those she must have known in advance she would be continuing the manga, and Stars seems to be written as a the final arc from the start.
I knew the popularity of the anime waned, especially after SuperS, but I was wondering if the manga also saw such a sharp decrease in popularity as well.
 

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They made a change to the MotW format by making them corrupted humans rather than their own entities, and I liked it better the other way coz we got glorious disintegrations. Sailor Moon threw away what it gave me my interest in. Even Super S had the old MotW format, and my favorite Sailor Moon finishing move at that. Without Moon Gorgeous Meditation I might have considered Super S rubbish.

And it's PG-13, at least in Viz and Cloverway (the latter of whom only censored LGBT), and if it was actually a "family show" in Japan, it means that they don't have any standards and thus being grim wouldn't matter. S, the first season to keep the PG-13 rating in original dub, was full of grim and despair as well. And the deaths in the manga are pretty graphic. Crystal (14A) could have been PG or maybe even G if not for the stabbing suicide and, in Eternal's case, coughing blood, as the other deaths are more family-friendly than some of the MLP deaths. And of course Cosmos foreshadows an inevitable dark ending and happy ending override, even if the characters who die in the present day are revived.

Also, whoever said that Death Note - which is rated R - was made for kids knows nothing about anime. Go actually find out more about the stuff you're talking about before you say it. (I blocked them so I don't know if they'll get this)
 
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It does make sense to me (even if I'm not completely sure Evangelion had that big an effect on the destiny of the Sailor Moon franchise), but do I understand correctly from what you wrote that, in your opinion, the manga only kept on going because the anime was successful? I haven't got a clue how popular Sailor Moon was in Nakayoshi and I'm not fluent in Japanese, so I reckon perusing the Nakayoshi scans wouldn't be very fruitful...

And wow, do you remember the quality of the merchandise related to each specific season? I'm really an amateur!
I saw some toys 2 years ago. By far, the toys from Stars had the worst-quality materials.

Yes, the manga lasted 5 years because of the anime. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Otherwise the entire franchise would've ended after SM S.

The fandom loves to talk about how poorly SuperS and Stars did in the ratings, based on the data from the Kanto region, but no one mentions they were actually far more popular than their printed counterparts. A lot of people love saying SuperS would’ve been a success if it had stuck to the manga, and I wonder, ' really? Are you sure about that? Do you even know where the series ranked in its fourth year in Nakayoshi? Let alone the fifth.'
Sometimes I wonder... what if Toei really did want to change a large part of the plot for TV because of the poor results in Nakayoshi? I know that’s not the reason for the changes, but it does make me wonder.
 

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I saw some toys 2 years ago. By far, the toys from Stars had the worst-quality materials.

Yes, the manga lasted 5 years because of the anime. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Otherwise the entire franchise would've ended after SM S.

The fandom loves to talk about how poorly SuperS and Stars did in the ratings, based on the data from the Kanto region, but no one mentions they were actually far more popular than their printed counterparts. A lot of people love saying SuperS would’ve been a success if it had stuck to the manga, and I wonder, ' really? Are you sure about that? Do you even know where the series ranked in its fourth year in Nakayoshi? Let alone the fifth.'
Sometimes I wonder... what if Toei really did want to change a large part of the plot for TV because of the poor results in Nakayoshi? I know that’s not the reason for the changes, but it does make me wonder.
I really doubt that there would be a Stars arc if they did not remove Haruka and Michiru from Super S.
 

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Something interesting about the movie, and maybe there is a translation screw up but the official english dialogue claims Sailor Chaos was defeated and then Sailor Cosmos was so blackpilled she went back in time.

However, in the 3 translations of the manga I have read* the heavy implication is that Cosmos went back in time because Sailor Chaos was too powerful to defeat. I also recently read 2 fan mangas (one in English, one Japanese) which clearly depicted Cosmos returning to the future in order to fight Chaos. This leads me to believe that either Netflix's subs/dub made a mistake, or Takeuchi or whoever tweaked things.

Also, the movie is less ambigious and in a way, more optimistic than the Manga regarding Sailor Cosmos' identity and fate. The implication of the movie is very heavily that Sailor Cosmos is 100% an evolution of Neo Queen Serenity. Maybe this means she is NQS when she gets her Senshi powers back, or something else. Point is there is much less room to interpret her as say from a possible future or for her to be literally anyone else other than Usagi/NQS deeper into the future.**

Furthermore, not only does she succeed in defeating Chaos but Guardian Cosmos' dialogue also seems to be different and more optimistic. In the manga translation I have, Guardian Cosmos' last few lines have her saying Chaos is gone but could return because everything is possible in the Galaxy Cauldron. However, the movie's subs and dub actually have her say if Chaos returns she is sure Sailor Moon will defend everyone. Which sort of corroborates the earlier statement in the movie that Sailor Chaos was defeated.

Finally, the framing of Sailor Cosmos's melancholy is different. In the manga Sailor Cosmos's dialogue leads us to believe that Chaos is too powerful to be defeated, has annihilated A LOT of the galaxy and that things can never be the same. Sailor Cosmos, naturally, is left wondering what is she even fighting for.

However, the movie's presentation of events frames it more as the price of victory being so high Sailor Cosmos is left wondering whether it was worth it. Of course you could argue that her POV was the same as in the manga, the difference being that, even after defeating Chaos, there are more villains still around to fight. However, the fact that Sailor Chaos was defeated imo changes everything. Because, with Chaos defeated, it more or less means Cosmos is just kind of...tired? Plus the flashbacks (er, flashforwards I guess) seem to imply the war with Sailor Chaos was predominantly on Crystal Tokyo.

Like in the manga it was a case of she is up against an enemy that is too much for her to defeat, so it seems like there is no hope, other than the idea that everyone will endlessly go through this cycle of life/death/rebirth. However, in the movie, she kind of is just looking at things from a glass half empty POV. There is no dialogue asserting that things could never be as they were before, so she could use her OP restoration magic to just fix everything. Like, why can't she just resurrect everyone? Or go back to the Galaxy Cauldron to factory reset everything the way Eternal Sailor Moon did?

In the manga, I, and I presume most everyone else, presumed this was not an option because she couldn't defeat Sailor Chaos.

I'm not even saying this as a criticism strictly speaking, more an observation. Perhaps she forgot she could do that? Perhaps the message here is that as she grew older and more jaded she lost touch with her youthful optimism? I've always interpreted that being the message at the end of the manga in regards to the Usagi/Cosmos relationship

*2018 Kodansha, Miss Dream and Mixx. Never read the 2011 Kodansha translation

**To my knowledge, one of the musicals implies Cosmos might in fact be Chibi-Usa in the future.
 

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Something interesting about the movie, and maybe there is a translation screw up but the official english dialogue claims Sailor Chaos was defeated and then Sailor Cosmos was so blackpilled she went back in time.

However, in the 3 translations of the manga I have read* the heavy implication is that Cosmos went back in time because Sailor Chaos was too powerful to defeat. I also recently read 2 fan mangas (one in English, one Japanese) which clearly depicted Cosmos returning to the future in order to fight Chaos. This leads me to believe that either Netflix's subs/dub made a mistake, or Takeuchi or whoever tweaked things.

Also, the movie is less ambigious and in a way, more optimistic than the Manga regarding Sailor Cosmos' identity and fate. The implication of the movie is very heavily that Sailor Cosmos is 100% an evolution of Neo Queen Serenity. Maybe this means she is NQS when she gets her Senshi powers back, or something else. Point is there is much less room to interpret her as say from a possible future or for her to be literally anyone else other than Usagi/NQS deeper into the future.**

Furthermore, not only does she succeed in defeating Chaos but Guardian Cosmos' dialogue also seems to be different and more optimistic. In the manga translation I have, Guardian Cosmos' last few lines have her saying Chaos is gone but could return because everything is possible in the Galaxy Cauldron. However, the movie's subs and dub actually have her say if Chaos returns she is sure Sailor Moon will defend everyone. Which sort of corroborates the earlier statement in the movie that Sailor Chaos was defeated.

Finally, the framing of Sailor Cosmos's melancholy is different. In the manga Sailor Cosmos's dialogue leads us to believe that Chaos is too powerful to be defeated, has annihilated A LOT of the galaxy and that things can never be the same. Sailor Cosmos, naturally, is left wondering what is she even fighting for.
This is why I say, if she does not want to fight Chaos, why not just prevent the need for her past self to jump in the cauldron in the first place which caused her to gain her powers, she feels that she is the only one who can shoulder the burden of defending the Galaxy when she herself is giving up.