Is it appropriate?

[Sabrblade]

If Zelda can have it and still be considered a "kids game" then I guess Sailormoon can too.

Video games and TV cartoon shows have different rules that apply for each.

Namely that the audience of one isn't always the same audience as the other.

Not to mention that video games are considered less mainstream/ubiquitous as TV shows are, and thus aren't as policed as much as children's television is, enabling games to get away with things that a cartoon might get caught for.

 

[Millicent]

Yeah but still, I used to play that game in my dad's computer room when I was a kid and whenever he was around, sometimes he would look over and see what I'm playing and he saw some of the content in Zelda, especially the scene after the battle that picture 3 is depicted(the one with the blood) in and one of the great fairies and he had no problem with it.

Of course, I was also playing games like Doom when I was 8 and Turok Dinosaur Hunter/Seeds of Evil when I was around 10-13.


Not that Turok and Doom are kids games though, they actually did get 17+/18+ styled ratings.

 

[Star Angel Haruki]

I find the content of Sailor Moon very mild..
and its all region based I guess. I find the happening in SM to be the typical everyday norm...well except for the whole MOTD transformation stuff..(unless you link that up with everyday struggles, like dealing with a strict boss!! but yeah

My parents objected to it because of their outfits (short skirts) and what not (religious). I also had a friend refer to them
as sluts.

I do vividly remember watching a sailor moon marathon once and Mars soared
across the screen shouting Mars Fire.. and my stepfather was like, Don't you have anything
better to watch than this. I just side eyed him and kept watching.."Sorry pops but you're
not taking my moon away from me"

Their is nothing objectionable about Sailor moon and with Naoko's editor stated about getting away with a lot back
then compared to now...the new series will have no objectionable content either

 

[Crystal Queen]

Yeah. The series is completely appropriate for its targeted demographic age range.

 

[CopeDog87]

I would say the original Japanese version is appropriate for anyone 10+.

 

[Usapon]

True. Generally I think that intense violence, bloodless or no, is worse for children than a sex scene is. Porn is a different thing because it's not "real" sex (my health ed teacher used the word "sex acrobatics" ). By this I don't mean that all children should by all means watch people [BLEEP]ing each others, but let's just say that my opinion is that having sex is more... natural than violence.

And no, I do not need a hair-splitting explanation about how violence in also natural in our species when it's used for survival (or smth, just don't give me that)

I completely and totally disagree. I think either sex or violence is fine for kids so long as the parent drills it into their head that it's fictional, and what the consequences would be if they did it in real life. Today we seem to have this thing where super hero comics or action movies are terrible for kids. Meanwhile, a decade ago, pretty much every twelve year old in the world knew who Freddy Krueger was and they don't have any problems today because, shockingly enough, they knew it was fiction.

I think so, too, and I never meant to deny any of this "completely and totally". I can't understand how do our statements contradict that much.

 

[sailormoonotaku]

My parents had no problems with me watching Ren & Stimpy and Beetlejuice growing up and they were on normal daytime times. Now I'm rewatching Beetlejuice and picking up adult jokes I never noticed before. It's the same as rewatching the Hunchback of Notre Dame. I didn't notice much of the dark storyline when I first saw it. It seems that children might not notice things in Sailor Moon that older people might, but they might get the basic plotlines.

Another thing about weather or not Sailor Moon is appropriate is Chibiusa's bedwetting. The English version removed all references to it. Is it really inappropriate in children's cartoons? Little kids may have this problem and can relate to Chibiusa, and there are many other cartoons children can easily see that mention it and they base humor around similar situations.

 

[B Clark]

well in Japan i think the age rating for it is 6-14 since they do there rating different from the US. the sub/ "unedited" dub disk have the rating label of PG 13 while the edited dub has the rating of Y-7.

Disney movies do have alot of deaths. Also Usagi being nude is not bad i mean her nudity is just like a doll.

Not far off...

The original anime in Japan was intended for 4 to 12 year olds (Kindergarten through Grade school).
That is what we call the unedited DVDs, which were actually edited.
The VKLL and Studio Chikashitsu fansubs were the only true unedited of the ORIGINAL.

Though I would consider the fansubs of the R2J DVDs to be unedited, as long as there were no changes made between the time of the LDs and the R2J DVDs.

The problem with the USA is that it has been PC'd to death.

I have consistently found that with any anime (except porn) you can subtract 5 or 6 years from the USA age rating to find the Japanese age rating.

One of my examples has been Strike Witches, which is a tweeners series in Japan.
Funimation has seasons 1 & 2 rated at 17+.

 

[abc123youandme]

The Japanese version is aimed at 4-12 year old girls and the English dub is probably aimed at 2-11. So yes it's appropriate.

And if the censored water down English dub left Nephrite's death scene entirely intact...

 

[Sabrblade]

The Japanese version is aimed at 4-12 year old girls and the English dub is probably aimed at 2-11. So yes it's appropriate.

I wouldn't say "2". "4-12" fits for the dub.

And if the censored water down English dub left Nephrite's death scene entirely intact...

Yet, for odd reasons, censored out content far more mild than that.

 

[B Clark]

The Japanese version is aimed at 4-12 year old girls and the English dub is probably aimed at 2-11. So yes it's appropriate.

And if the censored water down English dub left Nephrite's death scene entirely intact...

The only reason the English dub got such a low age rating is because it was hacked & slashed edited to death.

 

[Leia the Rebel]

The Japanese version is aimed at 4-12 year old girls and the English dub is probably aimed at 2-11. So yes it's appropriate.

And if the censored water down English dub left Nephrite's death scene entirely intact...

the dub was rated Y7 which mean youth 7 or older.. since Y is youth and is for any kid.

unedited dvd of SM got pg13.

 

[abc123youandme]

The Japanese version is aimed at 4-12 year old girls and the English dub is probably aimed at 2-11. So yes it's appropriate.

And if the censored water down English dub left Nephrite's death scene entirely intact...

the dub was rated Y7 which mean youth 7 or older.. since Y is youth and is for any kid.

unedited dvd of SM got pg13.

Any show with any sort of violence is going to get the Y7 FV rating. Doesn't mean its inappropriate for younger. Mighty Morphin Power Rangers on Netflix has the Y7 FV rating but the general audience starts as young as pre-school.

The unedited dvd of SM may have been slapped with a Pg13 but the show in Japan is targeted at prepubescent girls.

The Japanese version is aimed at 4-12 year old girls and the English dub is probably aimed at 2-11. So yes it's appropriate.

And if the censored water down English dub left Nephrite's death scene entirely intact...

The only reason the English dub got such a low age rating is because it was hacked & slashed edited to death.

The intended demographic for the Japanese version and the intended demographic for the English dub are almost exactly the same. Censorship just works differently.

 

[Sabrblade]

Right, it's like this:

Uncut Japanese version in Japan = Grade school girls.
Edited English version in the U.S. = Grade school girls.
Uncut Japanese version in the U.S. = 13 and up.

The standards of each country makes the difference.

 

[rosepetals]

Another thing about weather or not Sailor Moon is appropriate is Chibiusa's bedwetting. The English version removed all references to it. Is it really inappropriate in children's cartoons? Little kids may have this problem and can relate to Chibiusa, and there are many other cartoons children can easily see that mention it and they base humor around similar situations.

I've noticed that American's tend to be especially uncomfortable about some bodily functions and fluids. Sometimes it's to a very ridiculous degree what ends up censored. Yet, there are very gross examples to be found too. Kids will more and likely take it humorously like you say. But, the fact that some children would relate to Chibi Usa too, is another reason I think Sailor Moon is especially good for young people. The show offers a lot of different personalities with its characters who face some normal issues as well with a positive message.

Something like nudity younger children usually make fun of, or go eww too. I can't remember exactly what the title of an animated movie I went with a friend to see several years ago was. There was a scene where these two male characters jumped into a natural spring pool naked after trekking through the jungle, and the reaction of the largely young audience (which was the target demographic) was to be grossed out.

Violence is always about parental guidance like everything else. Children could imitate anything thing they see, whether its from real life or not. (My brother tried to jump off the roof dressed with a cape to fly like Superman.) If a young child can't distinguish fiction well enough then scary content like monsters or death can be very frightening or upsetting.

 

[vdeane]

And if the censored water down English dub left Nephrite's death scene entirely intact...

For some reason the US considers violence OK as long as you change the color of the blood (or don't show any).

 

[abc123youandme]

And if the censored water down English dub left Nephrite's death scene entirely intact...

For some reason the US considers violence OK as long as you change the color of the blood (or don't show any).

Er um have you like watched the original? The blood was green in both versions. Even the Japanese version thought the blood was too much to leave a realistic red.

And the English dub was very good at leaving blood intact, even when realistic. It left Darien's wound alone, and Lita's friend's injury.

 

[Salem Saberhagen]

Is there any scene more violent than Nephrite's death?!

I believe I cried when I saw it at 9 years old...

Then I went and told my parents about it, because I thought what had transpired was very special...

So I think it is appropriate for kids. And if they're not ready for it, don't you think they'd self-censor? I think at age 5 I had to leave Hunchback because Frollo was too scary. At age 8 (on a much smaller screen) I was quite ready.

To young me, I think Mimete's death was most disturbing. Which is interesting because it wasn't violent at all...

 

[abc123youandme]

Nephrite's death is in your face more violent because he gets impaled. Mimete's er demise I think flies over the head of the average kid. I think the implication that Mimete is in some dark place forever isolated and just how frightening and a fate worse than death that actually is, isn't really grasped by the average young viewer.


Weirdly as as a kid Nephlyte's never bothered me. I didn't think that was blood due to it being green. I thought it was some weird residue from the plant thorns that impaled him. And he disappears into dust anyways.

 

[Leia the Rebel]

Is there any scene more violent than Nephrite's death?!

I believe I cried when I saw it at 9 years old...

Then I went and told my parents about it, because I thought what had transpired was very special...

So I think it is appropriate for kids. And if they're not ready for it, don't you think they'd self-censor? I think at age 5 I had to leave Hunchback because Frollo was too scary. At age 8 (on a much smaller screen) I was quite ready.

To young me, I think Mimete's death was most disturbing. Which is interesting because it wasn't violent at all...

that's because Frollo is scary and creepy... :eeklez: