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I don't think we're that bad, it's just that certain fans have given us Moonies a bad reputation. :o
well that's putting it bluntly 
but yes Mara's right some people on here are bad but not all of them some like to troll others like to pick fights with others over the dumbest stuff like there personal opinion for example
but yes Mara's right some people on here are bad but not all of them some like to troll others like to pick fights with others over the dumbest stuff like there personal opinion for example
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Based on what I have seen, I am convinced that "Sailor Moon" will cause the destruction of the world one day. That's all.
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I live under a rock. The entirety of my examples of social Sailor Moon Fandom are:
- Randomly reading posts on this forum as a lurker in previous years infrequently, of which I only really remembered the ones speculating about the setting, like the location of Elysion or stuff like that, or about that one PC Engine game which I still really really really really wish had a full translation because holy crap guys Nephrite interacts with Naru in something based on the anime continuity and the Shitennou get revived in some way that involves the kurozuishou, they actually remembered what that thing is and...
what was I saying? Oh, right.
- Posting a billion words here (which is a billion too many) in the past week or so, and checking out some active threads. Seems like a lot of people here like to complain (mostly about Crystal) or are slightly argumentative, but nobody really seems like huge jerks, just people in bad moods articulating their points pretty decently. In other words it all seems pretty reasonable to me.
- Reading Shadowjack's 'In Which I Watch Sailor Moon' threads on the RPGnet forums, which were all very friendly and civil far as I can see, and a few posts in the current one (and image rehostening comic thread).
- Reading a couple tumblrs ("Sailor Failures", "F Yeah Senshi/Shittenou"/"F Yeah Moon Guardians", and the "Nephrite and Naru Treasury Annex"), which were mostly just decent articles, fanart, friendly speculation, or fanfiction snippets.
- Reading part of Sailor Moon Z by John Biles and Jeff Hosmer, (I should probably get around to finishing that one, it was interesting but really long.)
- Reading the Naru and Nephrite Treasury fanfiction website which is carefully vetted by one person who seems decent. The writing quality varies and some of the characterization is weird, and one or two dabble in really uncomfortable dark subjects (sometimes handled well, sometimes less so), but none of the fanfics seemed truly horrible and a lot of them were pretty good.
- Briefly interacting with a few people on Deviantart who seemed reasonable, and having friendly (but brief) discussions about stuff. I haven't updated my deviantart in a long time though.
- Searching image repository sites that had adult content and very few social activity elements. Some of the content probably offends somebody just by existing, and there's some I wouldn't want to look at personally, but I don't think there's anything it's ethically 'wrong' to draw per se. Also, that stuff exists for every major franchise, especially every major Japanese franchise.
- Registering on some subtitle/translation thing (I forget what it was) where someone wrote a big angry e-mail to everyone who was signed up complaining about the Sailor Moon fandom for some reason, because they personally were dying of cancer??
That was kind of a one-off thing though.
Basically, I haven't seen any reason to think the Sailor Moon fandom is somehow worse than other fandoms.
- People fight about weird details with any series, which isn't that big of a problem really.
- People disagree about character relationships in all kind of wacky ways, I think that's more of a cultural problem with 'one true pairing' monogamy logic and people getting too obsessed with jealousy
- Porn exists of everything, but I don't honestly see that as a problem?
- Individual random people will fight about pretty much anything wherever you go, so that can't really be helped.
- Fighting about homosexuality, transgender stuff, and LGBT things in general is just a thing in the modern day (and it's kind of cooling down from where it was 10 years ago, having become a bit more accepted/widely known); not a very Sailor Moon-specific thing.
- Fighting about beastiality... ohoho, no, Sailor Moon is NOT the center of that internet drama, there's definitely worse franchise fandoms to fight about that. (But I don't think it's an appropriate thing to hate on in cases like Sailor Moon anyway, since it only happens with sapient beings, all of whom seem to have human forms anyway.)
- Fighting about age gaps in romance... that might be more specific to Sailor Moon fandom, due to the source material being unusually supportive of the concept (Usagi/Mamoru being the #1 example, but not the only one). But I dunno. I think if both parties are mature and consenting, and are careful not to violate the law (you gotta wait for certain things until everybody's at least 18 in the US or, what was it, 16 in Japan?), then this isn't necessarily a problem, just a complicated situation.
In other other words, Sailor Moon's fandom seems pretty normal to me. A little on the older sisde maybe, since the franchise hasn't seen consistent releases or major revitalization since it's heyday, and the mainstream cultural thing has broken down since then anyway. But I haven't really been THAT active I guess, I don't know.
My views are pretty accepting and liberal anyway, so I don't think these are inappropriate subjects to consider, and I'm not seeing any drama specific to Sailor Moon that isn't going on in plenty of other places already.
- Randomly reading posts on this forum as a lurker in previous years infrequently, of which I only really remembered the ones speculating about the setting, like the location of Elysion or stuff like that, or about that one PC Engine game which I still really really really really wish had a full translation because holy crap guys Nephrite interacts with Naru in something based on the anime continuity and the Shitennou get revived in some way that involves the kurozuishou, they actually remembered what that thing is and...
what was I saying? Oh, right.
- Posting a billion words here (which is a billion too many) in the past week or so, and checking out some active threads. Seems like a lot of people here like to complain (mostly about Crystal) or are slightly argumentative, but nobody really seems like huge jerks, just people in bad moods articulating their points pretty decently. In other words it all seems pretty reasonable to me.
- Reading Shadowjack's 'In Which I Watch Sailor Moon' threads on the RPGnet forums, which were all very friendly and civil far as I can see, and a few posts in the current one (and image rehostening comic thread).
- Reading a couple tumblrs ("Sailor Failures", "F Yeah Senshi/Shittenou"/"F Yeah Moon Guardians", and the "Nephrite and Naru Treasury Annex"), which were mostly just decent articles, fanart, friendly speculation, or fanfiction snippets.
- Reading part of Sailor Moon Z by John Biles and Jeff Hosmer, (I should probably get around to finishing that one, it was interesting but really long.)
- Reading the Naru and Nephrite Treasury fanfiction website which is carefully vetted by one person who seems decent. The writing quality varies and some of the characterization is weird, and one or two dabble in really uncomfortable dark subjects (sometimes handled well, sometimes less so), but none of the fanfics seemed truly horrible and a lot of them were pretty good.
- Briefly interacting with a few people on Deviantart who seemed reasonable, and having friendly (but brief) discussions about stuff. I haven't updated my deviantart in a long time though.
- Searching image repository sites that had adult content and very few social activity elements. Some of the content probably offends somebody just by existing, and there's some I wouldn't want to look at personally, but I don't think there's anything it's ethically 'wrong' to draw per se. Also, that stuff exists for every major franchise, especially every major Japanese franchise.
- Registering on some subtitle/translation thing (I forget what it was) where someone wrote a big angry e-mail to everyone who was signed up complaining about the Sailor Moon fandom for some reason, because they personally were dying of cancer??
That was kind of a one-off thing though.Basically, I haven't seen any reason to think the Sailor Moon fandom is somehow worse than other fandoms.
- People fight about weird details with any series, which isn't that big of a problem really.
- People disagree about character relationships in all kind of wacky ways, I think that's more of a cultural problem with 'one true pairing' monogamy logic and people getting too obsessed with jealousy
- Porn exists of everything, but I don't honestly see that as a problem?
- Individual random people will fight about pretty much anything wherever you go, so that can't really be helped.
- Fighting about homosexuality, transgender stuff, and LGBT things in general is just a thing in the modern day (and it's kind of cooling down from where it was 10 years ago, having become a bit more accepted/widely known); not a very Sailor Moon-specific thing.
- Fighting about beastiality... ohoho, no, Sailor Moon is NOT the center of that internet drama, there's definitely worse franchise fandoms to fight about that. (But I don't think it's an appropriate thing to hate on in cases like Sailor Moon anyway, since it only happens with sapient beings, all of whom seem to have human forms anyway.)
- Fighting about age gaps in romance... that might be more specific to Sailor Moon fandom, due to the source material being unusually supportive of the concept (Usagi/Mamoru being the #1 example, but not the only one). But I dunno. I think if both parties are mature and consenting, and are careful not to violate the law (you gotta wait for certain things until everybody's at least 18 in the US or, what was it, 16 in Japan?), then this isn't necessarily a problem, just a complicated situation.
In other other words, Sailor Moon's fandom seems pretty normal to me. A little on the older sisde maybe, since the franchise hasn't seen consistent releases or major revitalization since it's heyday, and the mainstream cultural thing has broken down since then anyway. But I haven't really been THAT active I guess, I don't know.
My views are pretty accepting and liberal anyway, so I don't think these are inappropriate subjects to consider, and I'm not seeing any drama specific to Sailor Moon that isn't going on in plenty of other places already.
If we're talking about bad fandoms, why not the Dream Daddy dating sim? Someone drew all the characters as females and was bombarded with death threats.
Anyways, while I was doing my web comic on [THE HAPPY PLACE], I've received hate mail because I did not like the drama of Usagi Kou. I brushed it aside and mocked the improper spelling in said pieces, who knew I was going end up a website criticizing Sailor Moon OCs? Which, I did get threats on Tumblr by the artist, due to the fact I called her corset wearing senshi a Sue.
Plus in this forum, we has meltdowns over which is the proper translation of the manga/material collections of Sailor Moon. and let's not forget the catfights between 90s anime vs crystal. (Where it was hinted that Crystal doesn't want male fans of the series.) So yeah, the SM fandom can be bad, but we can improve with every post we make.
Anyways, while I was doing my web comic on [THE HAPPY PLACE], I've received hate mail because I did not like the drama of Usagi Kou. I brushed it aside and mocked the improper spelling in said pieces, who knew I was going end up a website criticizing Sailor Moon OCs? Which, I did get threats on Tumblr by the artist, due to the fact I called her corset wearing senshi a Sue.
Plus in this forum, we has meltdowns over which is the proper translation of the manga/material collections of Sailor Moon. and let's not forget the catfights between 90s anime vs crystal. (Where it was hinted that Crystal doesn't want male fans of the series.) So yeah, the SM fandom can be bad, but we can improve with every post we make.
It's not as bad as some people think.
Granted, it's pretty bad -- but that's not a Sailor Moon thing. It's a fandom thing. Fandom itself is generally pretty crappy. But at the end of the day, we all like Sailor Moon and I think most of us here remember that. Even though we all can be infected with "nerd rage" now and then, lol.
Basically, all of the in-fighting and Naoko-bashing and anything else you can think of for the Sailor Moon fandom exists in all KINDS of other fandoms (especially things like anime or large franchises like Transformers). I mean, the Star Trek fandom was arguably the first "modern" fandom and they've probably seen it all.
Granted, it's pretty bad -- but that's not a Sailor Moon thing. It's a fandom thing. Fandom itself is generally pretty crappy. But at the end of the day, we all like Sailor Moon and I think most of us here remember that. Even though we all can be infected with "nerd rage" now and then, lol.
Basically, all of the in-fighting and Naoko-bashing and anything else you can think of for the Sailor Moon fandom exists in all KINDS of other fandoms (especially things like anime or large franchises like Transformers). I mean, the Star Trek fandom was arguably the first "modern" fandom and they've probably seen it all.
It's the same as any forum that you run into.
1) There are always toxic members who make the place not very friendly to others. You could run into a k-pop convention with a bunch of singers and there will be anti fan members in each group. I don't need to go any further, since it will slide off-topic.
2) There is always going to be bickering and fights amongst the members. Every once in a while, if someone doesn't agree with another person, they will be quick to argue and turn it into a full on fight.
3) People will talk randomly and will bring off topic conversations, which is sometimes good because it helps bring up a good relationship among members. It also sheds light on what members like and dislike.
4) People will mention their favorite memories of the fandom, such as when they used to go home to watch Sailor Moon or watch Saturday morning cartoons.
This forum is what anyone makes it to be. It can be bad, or it can be good. It's the same thing with any forum. If you're going to have arguments all the time, it can turn out to be bad and people leave, or it can be good if people accept different viewpoints and can point out mistakes that one person made so it doesn't happen twice.
1) There are always toxic members who make the place not very friendly to others. You could run into a k-pop convention with a bunch of singers and there will be anti fan members in each group. I don't need to go any further, since it will slide off-topic.
2) There is always going to be bickering and fights amongst the members. Every once in a while, if someone doesn't agree with another person, they will be quick to argue and turn it into a full on fight.
3) People will talk randomly and will bring off topic conversations, which is sometimes good because it helps bring up a good relationship among members. It also sheds light on what members like and dislike.
4) People will mention their favorite memories of the fandom, such as when they used to go home to watch Sailor Moon or watch Saturday morning cartoons.
This forum is what anyone makes it to be. It can be bad, or it can be good. It's the same thing with any forum. If you're going to have arguments all the time, it can turn out to be bad and people leave, or it can be good if people accept different viewpoints and can point out mistakes that one person made so it doesn't happen twice.
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I guess I'm pretty sheltered from all the terribleness myself. Apart from here and the Galaxy Cauldron I'm not on really another other site so I can't claim to know a great deal about the fandom, but from my experience the fandom is more or less like any other; it has it's good and positive elements as well as it's hardcore fanatics. You guys are more likely much better judges than myself, but I think the fandom is fine, certainly everyone here is okay.
This talk of gender reversed stuff causing major drama got me to thinking. Would people freak out much (at least around here, social trends are a whole other question) if someone made an alternate-continuity fanfic/comic/drawings thing, where somehow the Moon kingdom got corrupted instead of the Earth, so that you wind up with a thing where Mamoru and the Shitennou are battling villainous, brainwashed (but sympathetic, as much so as the Shittenou were) versions of the Sailor Senshi? And a disguised Sailor Moon running around bailing Mamoru out of his own foolishness with a well-timed Moon Tiara and goofy speech, then running off, and eventually being the brainwashed Princess Serenity for their final battle? (Mamoru would presumably also wear a Shitennou-type uniform most of the time, and nobody realizes he's the prince at first.)
So basically a distaff Dark Kingdom arc? (possibly with reversed ages, too. And I think Rei/Mars would be the equivalent 'Masato Sanjoin' with her billions of goals for careers, and her prophetic visions/fire readings trying to nudge her in the right direction when she doesn't quite get it, just like the stars seemed to be doing with him.)
I haven't made any of the above, and it would need to be carefully handled if anyone ever did, but it's a subject I've given some thought to because I like both sides of the conflict so much that it's fun for me to think about, but I suspect some people would be offended. So just in case I ever get around to using those ideas (or if anyone else wants to), I figure it's worth asking.
Also, without starting some sort of fight (and everybody probably dropping the subject if it starts turning into one): what's wrong about MissDream exactly? I haven't socialized with them at all, but I've looked up their translations for things that I couldn't get in hard copy (and as a second source when the hard copies seemed iffy).
So basically a distaff Dark Kingdom arc? (possibly with reversed ages, too. And I think Rei/Mars would be the equivalent 'Masato Sanjoin' with her billions of goals for careers, and her prophetic visions/fire readings trying to nudge her in the right direction when she doesn't quite get it, just like the stars seemed to be doing with him.)
I haven't made any of the above, and it would need to be carefully handled if anyone ever did, but it's a subject I've given some thought to because I like both sides of the conflict so much that it's fun for me to think about, but I suspect some people would be offended.
So just in case I ever get around to using those ideas (or if anyone else wants to), I figure it's worth asking.Also, without starting some sort of fight (and everybody probably dropping the subject if it starts turning into one): what's wrong about MissDream exactly? I haven't socialized with them at all, but I've looked up their translations for things that I couldn't get in hard copy (and as a second source when the hard copies seemed iffy).
Mitsukara said:
This talk of gender reversed stuff causing major drama got me to thinking. Would people freak out much (at least around here, social trends are a whole other question) if someone made an alternate-continuity fanfic/comic/drawings thing, where somehow the Moon kingdom got corrupted instead of the Earth, so that you wind up with a thing where Mamoru and the Shitennou are battling villainous, brainwashed (but sympathetic, as much so as the Shittenou were) versions of the Sailor Senshi? And a disguised Sailor Moon running around bailing Mamoru out of his own foolishness with a well-timed Moon Tiara and goofy speech, then running off, and eventually being the brainwashed Princess Serenity for their final battle? (Mamoru would presumably also wear a Shitennou-type uniform most of the time, and nobody realizes he's the prince at first.)
So basically a distaff Dark Kingdom arc? (possibly with reversed ages, too. And I think Rei/Mars would be the equivalent 'Masato Sanjoin' with her billions of goals for careers, and her prophetic visions/fire readings trying to nudge her in the right direction when she doesn't quite get it, just like the stars seemed to be doing with him.)
I haven't made any of the above, and it would need to be carefully handled if anyone ever did, but it's a subject I've given some thought to because I like both sides of the conflict so much that it's fun for me to think about, but I suspect some people would be offended. So just in case I ever get around to using those ideas (or if anyone else wants to), I figure it's worth asking.
Also, without starting some sort of fight (and everybody probably dropping the subject if it starts turning into one): what's wrong about MissDream exactly? I haven't socialized with them at all, but I've looked up their translations for things that I couldn't get in hard copy (and as a second source when the hard copies seemed iffy).
So basically a distaff Dark Kingdom arc? (possibly with reversed ages, too. And I think Rei/Mars would be the equivalent 'Masato Sanjoin' with her billions of goals for careers, and her prophetic visions/fire readings trying to nudge her in the right direction when she doesn't quite get it, just like the stars seemed to be doing with him.)
I haven't made any of the above, and it would need to be carefully handled if anyone ever did, but it's a subject I've given some thought to because I like both sides of the conflict so much that it's fun for me to think about, but I suspect some people would be offended.
So just in case I ever get around to using those ideas (or if anyone else wants to), I figure it's worth asking.Also, without starting some sort of fight (and everybody probably dropping the subject if it starts turning into one): what's wrong about MissDream exactly? I haven't socialized with them at all, but I've looked up their translations for things that I couldn't get in hard copy (and as a second source when the hard copies seemed iffy).
Miss Dream's people are horrible. They harass anyone that tries to fan sub or translate that isn't part of their group, trying to force them to stop. They lie and claim they're the only ones with "permission" to translate things, and thus no one else should even try. They cyber bulled the owner of another SM forum when they found it they were a guy posting under Usagi's name. They once tried to stage a coup here and failed, which is why they have their own site now. Basically scum.
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