Is there a double standard regarding Naoko as a mangaka?

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Do you think there’s an unfair double standard being applied to Naoko

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 57.7%
  • No

    Votes: 11 42.3%

  • Total voters
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Slowpokeking

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That series started in 2004.Almost a decade after the 90s anime ended.They could have, but they choose not too.
7 years are ok to reboot.

They obviously tried to, not just negotiate with Naoko, but also try on others works to see can they make another huge hit. Pretty Cure was their answer.
 

Slowpokeking

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That's not true at all they stop at stars.Years pressure was even thought of?
Because Sailor Moon's popularity had dropped a lot by then. Also at that time, Naoko had a lot of beef with the anime director, mostly about Seiya.

I'm not saying that Toei said "We got Pretty Cure, we gotta cancel Sailor Moon."

They canceled Sailor Moon, but it was still a big franchise. They would have reboot/continue it after years like they did to many of their franchises. But They couldn't reach a satisfying deal with Naoko and obviously it's better to have their own series.
 
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For thousand time there was no beef with her and the anime staff.She dislike certain things and like other.Sailor moon ending had nothing do with Seyai.They were not going to continued sailor moon .
It’s hard to deny that Precure is Toei own SM reboot where they have total creative control which wasn’t the case with SM because of Takeuchi.

It’s the same basic concept, lot of same studios and animators worked in SM (Kagawa, Tamegai…), they even have a manga serialized in Nakayoshi (with nice art btw),

Obviously the didn’t want or were not able to work with Takeuchi, even if the reason is unclear.
 
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It’s hard to deny that Precure is Toei own SM reboot where they have total creative control which wasn’t the case with SM because of Takeuchi.

It’s the same basic concept, lot of same studios and animators worked in SM (Kagawa, Tamegai…), they even have a manga serialized in Nakayoshi (with nice art btw),

Obviously the didn’t want or were not able to work with Takeuchi, even if the reason is unclear.
It is not the same basic concept .The story of precure is very different.The first precure series was a duo of magical girls and not a group.It was the later seasons that they had a group.

The only similarity is they have magical creature and sometimes the group are five girls .That's it.
 

Slowpokeking

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For thousand time there was no beef with her and the anime staff.She dislike certain things and like other.Sailor moon ending had nothing do with Seyai.They were not going to continued sailor moon .
There was some during the last 2 seasons.

The ending was due to low viewrating, but it did show differences, and later let Toei prefer to have their own series.
 

Memento

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I would have prefered this kind of « milking » because it would have created something new, my reproach is the lack of creativity in this whole permanent anniversary we are trapped for more like 10 years now. Honestly a spin off manga by some other author would be so refreshing!
Naoko allowed another author to novelize the Dark Kingdom arc of the manga. I doubt that she said, "Only the Dark Kingdom arc can be novelized! Nothing else!" So why wasn't the rest of the manga novelized? Either sales of those three novelizations were really bad or Kodansha wasn't interested in continuing the project for some other reason. In either case, if that project was a bust, is it really realistic to expect Kodansha to pursue a spin-off or remake manga?

And we've been trapped in this endless anniversary for 10+ years because of Toei's incompetence; Naoko isn't responsible for that mess. And as I've said in another thread, it would make little sense to release a spin-off or remake manga by another manga artist while there's an ongoing anime adaptation of the existing manga. Let's just wait and see what happens once Cosmos is released. It's entirely possible that a new manga of some kind could come out in the near future.
 
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Naoko allowed another author to novelize the Dark Kingdom arc of the manga. I doubt that she said, "Only the Dark Kingdom arc can be novelized! Nothing else!" So why wasn't the rest of the manga novelized? Either sales of those three novelizations were really bad or Kodansha wasn't interested in continuing the project for some other reason. In either case, if that project was a bust, is it really realistic to expect Kodansha to pursue a spin-off or remake manga?
About the novelization, I checked my volumes not so long ago and noticed that they called that last chapter with the same title as the corresponding manga chapter, « beginning and ending / petite étrangère ». And the volume ends just after the 5 girls meet after battle. I suppose this novelization was canceled because they wouldn’t have used the petite étrangère thingy if they knew it would end with this volume.

It is not the same basic concept .The story of precure is very different.The first precure series was a duo of magical girls and not a group.It was the later seasons that they had a group.

The only similarity is they have magical creature and sometimes the group are five girls .That's it.
I don’t want to sound rude but it’s absolutely clear that there is a strong family link between Precure and Sailormoon. Sure they tried to make it a little different for the first 2 seasons but it’s basically the same concept for younger audiences. Girls associated with elements/colors/animals/etc, fighting in uniforms, transforming and using items, in a series animated with partially the same staff and serialized in the very same magazine than SM.
I’m not sure about the theory that first Precure season is a ripoff of PQ Angels though, but Precure is clearlyyyyy done with Sailormoon in mind without having the burden to deal with an outside author.
 
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Masquerade

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#53
I think people are hating on her because they're bored. Sailor Moon is a franchise that resisted time and so did its fandom.
I mean, it was fun to be a fan years ago. Back in 2014-2016, we were excited.
Crystal was being released, and good or bad, we had art and episodes to talk about.
The manga was getting printed for the first time in some places.
Now? All we have to talk about is some recycled art from Eternal and Cosmos reprinted and reprinted over the same merch. We're not excited for Cosmos because most of us disliked Eternal.
We want to be in this fandom, but there's anything to talk about and all we have is to complain.
People say that Naoko has the right to retire. And I agree with them. But the fact is that she doesn't act like Sailor Moon is a legacy franchise.
She greenlights new low-budget anime. She has an official fanclub for the franchise. She reprints the manga in fancy new formats. She has an official store. She releases cute letters asking people to watch new low-budget SM anime.
I think every creator would put him/herself in a bad position running a beloved franchise like this. You can't get much if you don't want to give much.
And what she did to Eternal... Sorry. She was setting her up to heat by making SM the first major anime property to have honorifics in official translations. That was the crappiest move ever and even borders xenophobia.
Japanese content has been localized since the 60s with National Kid, Ultraman and other tokusatsu. There were sure plenty of people to tell her that was ridiculous.
She's different from other major mangaka and that's why she gets a different scrutiny.
 
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Clow

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Okay, let’s try to approach this topic through a different perspective:

I love Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles and all I have available are 2 DVDs (52 episodes in total), 5 OVAS and a 35 minutes film.

Sailor Moon fans have:
  • The 90’s anime (200 episodes in total)
  • 3 animated films
  • Countless musicals
  • A tokusatsu/live action series
  • A faithful adaptation of the manga through an anime consisting of 3 seasons (39 episodes and 4 films (Eternal and Cosmos), all of which are available for streaming through Netflix, a global media platform.
  • Collaborations with Vans, Uniqlo, Jimmy Choo, and even the Japanese Ministry of Health
What else do you guys want?

:kero:
 

YuYu Yuichiro

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Okay, let’s try to approach this topic through a different perspective:


Sailor Moon fans have:
  • The 90’s anime (200 episodes in total)
  • 3 animated films
  • Countless musicals
  • A tokusatsu/live action series
  • A faithful adaptation of the manga through an anime consisting of 3 seasons (39 episodes and 4 films (Eternal and Cosmos), all of which are available for streaming through Netflix, a global media platform.
  • Collaborations with Vans, Uniqlo, Jimmy Choo, and even the Japanese Ministry of Health
There's also:
  • The 90s anime specials
  • The 90s anime CD/audio dramas
  • The 90s anime visual novel.
 
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Memento

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About the novelization, I checked my volumes not so long ago and noticed that they called that last chapter with the same title as the corresponding manga chapter, « beginning and ending / petite étrangère ». And the volume ends just after the 5 girls meet after battle. I suppose this novelization was canceled because they wouldn’t have used the petite étrangère thingy if they knew it would end with this volume
The author was not familiar with Sailor Moon (she said as much on her blog) and thought Queen Beryl had black hair and that Queen Serenity was blonde. I wouldn't be surprised if she just didn't know what "Petite Etrangere" meant and didn't bother to look it up, and clearly the editor was asleep at the switchboard, so I wouldn't read anything into that chapter title's not getting changed. If they expected to carry on, they wouldn't have ended the book before Chibiusa's arrival.
 

Slowpokeking

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Okay, let’s try to approach this topic through a different perspective:

I love Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles and all I have available are 2 DVDs (52 episodes in total), 5 OVAS and a 35 minutes film.

Sailor Moon fans have:
  • The 90’s anime (200 episodes in total)
  • 3 animated films
  • Countless musicals
  • A tokusatsu/live action series
  • A faithful adaptation of the manga through an anime consisting of 3 seasons (39 episodes and 4 films (Eternal and Cosmos), all of which are available for streaming through Netflix, a global media platform.
  • Collaborations with Vans, Uniqlo, Jimmy Choo, and even the Japanese Ministry of Health
What else do you guys want?

:kero:
More games, Another Story being adapted.

Not sure why this franchise didn't have many good games.
 
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There might be a little bit it, might be even a little compliment considering Sailor Moon is a magical girl created by a woman that has lasted quite a while, as long as (though nothing too new in terms of plot/series) as shounen shows like Dragon Ball.

Okay, let’s try to approach this topic through a different perspective:

I love Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles and all I have available are 2 DVDs (52 episodes in total), 5 OVAS and a 35 minutes film.

Sailor Moon fans have:
  • The 90’s anime (200 episodes in total)
  • 3 animated films
  • Countless musicals
  • A tokusatsu/live action series
  • A faithful adaptation of the manga through an anime consisting of 3 seasons (39 episodes and 4 films (Eternal and Cosmos), all of which are available for streaming through Netflix, a global media platform.
  • Collaborations with Vans, Uniqlo, Jimmy Choo, and even the Japanese Ministry of Health
What else do you guys want?

:kero:
I'd say they want more and better content probably.

1.) 90's anime/movies are a classic but dated.

2.) The musicals and PGSM are loved but not as popular as the the 90's and no one really talks THAT much about them. If you were to announce all three, PGSM, Musical, Anime...the anime is going to have a line longer that Sailor Star Makers neck in that new artist poster art.

3.) Somewhat faithful but riddled with lots of errors, excessive wait times between episodes, wrong attack sequences, poorly done and frequently inconsistent art, forgettable characters, shoehorned InnerxShittenou sidenplot, barley well-received transformations, Venus not killing Queen Beryl, etc .

I feel like for that Venus one someone suggested it would be better for Sailor Moon to end Beryl because it is her show..lol

There probably needs to be a fun poll but I don't believe the majority wanted a "faithful" adaptation of the manga. I think they wanted a continuation of the 90's with an art style and sort of seriousness the manga had or rather, as serious as Sailor Moon S series was since after S, the series became rather "soft."

I personally feel Crystal did a decent job with "some things."

4.) The collaborations are nice if you're into those things which I am sure is why the series is still kinda going. The Jimmy Choo Collab is a high end products and I don't know too many people who are going to be tossing their wallets in droves for it. However, the collabs are essential as they keep the series alive.

Another thing could be the cause, a lot of those items are for girls/women. Sailor Moon has a large male fan base as well and Crystal for the most part and everything after it has made it a habit to ignore that (though noting new for the franchise). So maybe some of the hate is coming from some disguised male fans?

Jealousy?

Could also be people who think the series needs to be adapted better like some of their other favorite shows.

Some people don't want SM to be "forgotten" and think it deserves better treatment.

There lots of other reasons probably why they want more.

Maybe
 
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#59
Okay, let’s try to approach this topic through a different perspective:

I love Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles and all I have available are 2 DVDs (52 episodes in total), 5 OVAS and a 35 minutes film.

Sailor Moon fans have:

  • A faithful adaptation of the manga through an anime consisting of 3 seasons (39 episodes and 4 films (Eternal and Cosmos), all of which are available for streaming through Netflix, a global media platform.
  • Collaborations with Vans, Uniqlo, Jimmy Choo
What else do you guys want?

:kero:
I removed everything that is exclusive to Japan and any content that isn't 25+ years old. Quite a short list isn't it
 

YuYu Yuichiro

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I removed everything that is exclusive to Japan and any content that isn't 25+ years old. Quite a short list isn't it
You can also look at is as:
  • 3 seasons
  • 4 films
  • and 3 individual collaborations
Being fair if we remove the original anime from both series [considering Clow's asking us to look at it from another fandom's perspective] the other series has:

Quite the short list isn't it.