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But it's a bit tiring to go into every thread where these users are on and everything has been diverted to sh*t-talking.
Many users are critical when they have to be, when they find something they don't like, not on absolutely every aspect and every issue of the franchise,basing his whole personality on spreading hate.
That said, I quite like the illustrations. Usagi's face is beautiful. Mercury, Venus and Uranus look the best. There are others that look a bit worse, the worst being Chibiusa and Hotaru.
I personally like these model-like poses. When Naoko did that skateboard collaboration for the Olympics, much more dynamic, she also got tons of cr*p.
Many users are critical when they have to be, when they find something they don't like, not on absolutely every aspect and every issue of the franchise,basing his whole personality on spreading hate.
That said, I quite like the illustrations. Usagi's face is beautiful. Mercury, Venus and Uranus look the best. There are others that look a bit worse, the worst being Chibiusa and Hotaru.
I personally like these model-like poses. When Naoko did that skateboard collaboration for the Olympics, much more dynamic, she also got tons of cr*p.
Jackson Pollock is an excellent example.
Pollock had a chaotic life, he was expelled from 2 different high schools and struggled for a long time with alcoholism.
The chaotic aspect of his life transcribed into his own art as he became a major figure in abstract expressionism.
This 'art chaos' resonated with a large number of people for a different number of reasons and that's why he is remembered.
Art is feelings.
Art is expression.
Art gives inspiration.
Art is life.
Yes, art is subjective BUT any professional art piece must have some semblance of feeling and give off an expression.
When I judge Takeuchi's work, I base it off on several criteria:
1) The level that is expected from her as not only a veteran mangaka but also as one of the most wealthy/successful ones.
2) Comparing her work to those of her peers of the same status (veteran mangakas) and how she holds up to them.
3) Comparing her current work with Chanel to those of other mangakas that may have done fashion collabs too (like Araki did with Gucci).
4) The current standards of the manga industry expected of any mangaka (debutant or veteran).
5) Comparing her to her own past work during the run of Sailor Moon (which like I've said those Chanel illustrations are recycled from various pieces of her past works).
And even if I try to judge her work out of those criteria, it's not good.
For example, people here will know what Rei is doing because they're Sailor Moon fans.
For a random person, she looks ridiculous either doing a karate pose or a Kamen Raiden one...
If she wanted to do fashion illustrations, she could have had Haruka sitting on a ornate chair posing with the Sword with a melancholic expression.
Setsuna could have been lying on the floor with her in an upward position at 45 degrees to the camera while posing with the Garnet Orb.
But of course, all of these poses are quite difficult to draw and Takeuchi since 2003 has only been doing characters in an upright, standing position, that's mainly why the Olympic drawing was such a disaster.
Pollock had a chaotic life, he was expelled from 2 different high schools and struggled for a long time with alcoholism.
The chaotic aspect of his life transcribed into his own art as he became a major figure in abstract expressionism.
This 'art chaos' resonated with a large number of people for a different number of reasons and that's why he is remembered.
Art is feelings.
Art is expression.
Art gives inspiration.
Art is life.
Yes, art is subjective BUT any professional art piece must have some semblance of feeling and give off an expression.
When I judge Takeuchi's work, I base it off on several criteria:
1) The level that is expected from her as not only a veteran mangaka but also as one of the most wealthy/successful ones.
2) Comparing her work to those of her peers of the same status (veteran mangakas) and how she holds up to them.
3) Comparing her current work with Chanel to those of other mangakas that may have done fashion collabs too (like Araki did with Gucci).
4) The current standards of the manga industry expected of any mangaka (debutant or veteran).
5) Comparing her to her own past work during the run of Sailor Moon (which like I've said those Chanel illustrations are recycled from various pieces of her past works).
And even if I try to judge her work out of those criteria, it's not good.
For example, people here will know what Rei is doing because they're Sailor Moon fans.
For a random person, she looks ridiculous either doing a karate pose or a Kamen Raiden one...
If she wanted to do fashion illustrations, she could have had Haruka sitting on a ornate chair posing with the Sword with a melancholic expression.
Setsuna could have been lying on the floor with her in an upward position at 45 degrees to the camera while posing with the Garnet Orb.
But of course, all of these poses are quite difficult to draw and Takeuchi since 2003 has only been doing characters in an upright, standing position, that's mainly why the Olympic drawing was such a disaster.
Yes, it can be quite overwhelming when you like some new trailer and check this forum to see discussions and you see people discussing ad-hominem about how horrible it looks. Of course if something has flaws we should talk about it, but it's exhausting the way it happens here, almost as if they want us to feel guilty for not thinking Cosmos looks horrible from the trailers?
When it's all huge dissertative thesis about how Naoko's a horrible mangaka, or about how Toei sucks, or how the 90s anime is so much better, about how they didn't draw 4000 frames for a 10-second sequence in some new trailer, and how Sailor Moon's "forgotten and irrelevant" and that's why Toei's cheap about it... it's exhausting.
And when they get called out on it, they play the victim and answer with sarcastic condescending comments saying we want "everyone to love crystal" and how we think "Princess Naoko-hime-sama can't do no wrong" when literally the only thing we want is not just see endless toxic rambling about something these people are supposedly fans of.
When it's all huge dissertative thesis about how Naoko's a horrible mangaka, or about how Toei sucks, or how the 90s anime is so much better, about how they didn't draw 4000 frames for a 10-second sequence in some new trailer, and how Sailor Moon's "forgotten and irrelevant" and that's why Toei's cheap about it... it's exhausting.
And when they get called out on it, they play the victim and answer with sarcastic condescending comments saying we want "everyone to love crystal" and how we think "Princess Naoko-hime-sama can't do no wrong" when literally the only thing we want is not just see endless toxic rambling about something these people are supposedly fans of.
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- Is Naoko Takeuchi a veteran mangaka?
- She hasn’t published any manga for almost 16 years (and I doubt she will).
- The last series she completed was Toki-Meca and Toki-Meca really wasn’t as well received as Sailor Moon.
- CLAMP was active back in the early-90s and it still is very much active.
- From a strictly professional (industry) standpoint, is it fair to compare Naoko Takeuchi to her peers, e.g. CLAMP?
- Does Naoko Takeuchi even want to be a mangaka these days?
She is still pushing re-editions of her manga, isn't she?
@Hadibou mentioned having bought all of the Japanese editions - don't you think Takeuchi has a certain duty to uphold towards such dedicated fans?
And again, there are lots of mangakas who retired or didn't published any manga BUT continued to draw and it showed whenever they published any new artwork.
She doesn't want to draw manga, anymore - it's clear.
But, again, as a veteran mangaka (a mangaka who supposedly would have years of experience and knowledge and maturity), she has a certain standard that is to be expected from her.
I can't judge her and expect her to be on the same level as a Free-lance Deviant-Art artist.
@Hadibou mentioned having bought all of the Japanese editions - don't you think Takeuchi has a certain duty to uphold towards such dedicated fans?
And again, there are lots of mangakas who retired or didn't published any manga BUT continued to draw and it showed whenever they published any new artwork.
She doesn't want to draw manga, anymore - it's clear.
But, again, as a veteran mangaka (a mangaka who supposedly would have years of experience and knowledge and maturity), she has a certain standard that is to be expected from her.
I can't judge her and expect her to be on the same level as a Free-lance Deviant-Art artist.
I don't give a bip about your opinion, all your posts are always reminding us the same thing that Naoko Takeuchi does [BLEEP], that you know everything about everything and that you have the skills for everything....
So make a career out of it and become a millionaire instead of constantly busting our guts in this forum.
You have your opinion, like it or not we can all have our opinions and yours is not more powerful as the others.
What kind of artistic credibility do you have? do you have a degree? did you make a manga that sold millions of copies worldwide? so please, you can give your opinion if you want to, but you don't have to insult people who don't share your opinion by pretending to be something you are not.
So make a career out of it and become a millionaire instead of constantly busting our guts in this forum.
You have your opinion, like it or not we can all have our opinions and yours is not more powerful as the others.
What kind of artistic credibility do you have? do you have a degree? did you make a manga that sold millions of copies worldwide? so please, you can give your opinion if you want to, but you don't have to insult people who don't share your opinion by pretending to be something you are not.
- Releasing new editions of a serialized manga that ended in 1997 … is not the same thing as having the desire to create new manga.
- Takeuchi is merely managing the intelectual property that she created 26 years ago. As a businesswoman.
- She owes us nothing.
- Nobody, absolutely nobody, is being forced to buy any Sailor Moon merchandise or new editions of the manga (I certainly do not).
1) She is putting her manga on the market continuously - it is unrealistic for her new art to not be judged in comparison to what she is releasing - new or not.
2)??? How does that come in to discussion? Kurumada also manages all of his properties yet he is still making manga and has a family too. Takeuchi is a TV show/anime supervisor, a lyricist, a fashion design collaborator, bizarrely everything BUT a mangaka...
3) She owes her fame and wealth to the fans - I sure she is very happy with all the extra money fans throw at her.
4) If you DO NOT buy her products, it doesn't mean other people don't do so nor feel the need to buy the new editions. Ever heard of impulse buying? Ever heard of collectors? There was no need to put more editions following the Kanzenban edition, yet she did. If it isn't for people who already bought previous editions of the manga, then for whom is she pumping out these new ones for?
2)??? How does that come in to discussion? Kurumada also manages all of his properties yet he is still making manga and has a family too. Takeuchi is a TV show/anime supervisor, a lyricist, a fashion design collaborator, bizarrely everything BUT a mangaka...
3) She owes her fame and wealth to the fans - I sure she is very happy with all the extra money fans throw at her.
4) If you DO NOT buy her products, it doesn't mean other people don't do so nor feel the need to buy the new editions. Ever heard of impulse buying? Ever heard of collectors? There was no need to put more editions following the Kanzenban edition, yet she did. If it isn't for people who already bought previous editions of the manga, then for whom is she pumping out these new ones for?
I think even the more ‘critical’ members (myself included) have given Cosmos its dues and positive feedback at one point or another. I understand nitpicking everything isn’t to everyone’s taste but I think a lot of us do it with our ‘sakuga otaku glasses’ on. At the end of the day we all want the same thing, for this franchise to get the treatment it deserves. I understand it’s tiring to hear the same old stuff but we have limited things we CAN talk about seeing as this franchise hasn’t had an original story for over 25 years. I think it’s just how it goes, unfortunately. I don’t agree about tearing Naoko apart, especially the tired car ‘jokes’ (which have never been funny.) But aside from a couple of people all the criticism leveled at Naoko has been fair game, to me. I think it’s also understandable seeing as she’s such an elusive figure. We really only have baseless conjecture and rumors to work with.
I remember there was a lot of similar head-butting happening before the release of Eternal. The sooner these movies are released the better, for all our sanity!
I remember there was a lot of similar head-butting happening before the release of Eternal. The sooner these movies are released the better, for all our sanity!
I don’t think anyone’s expecting it, realistically. But yet, you, me and everyone else is still here talking in circles about a dusty 30 year old franchise. We all hold it dear, for whatever reason. Probably half nostalgia but also the other half because we all know that the series has has glimpses of greatness in each version and yet they’ve still failed to tap into its true potential. We should probably all just to come to terms with the fact it’ll never happen, but hey.
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The main reason we are on here talking is because of Crystal, prior to that the forum existed but it never crossed my mind to join it. I absolutely agree new stuff will keep the fandom alive and kicking - BUT not at the expense of the legacy. You can see what is happening to stuff like Dead Note, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Saint Seiya, The Witcher - sure they constantly get new stuff, sequels, reboots and remakes, but nobody likes them and every discourse surrounding them is mostly negative. Honestly I'd rather re-read the manga and re-watch the show/ live action, get some new musical occasioanlly than deal with the insulting [BLEEP] some fandoms are getting and being forced to tolerate and like.
Personally, I think the one thing that bugs me the most in this kind of ongoing circular Discussions is that a vast Majority of the people who constantly complain & criticize the livin' fecal matter out of every Nook & Cranny allegedly aren't professional Mangaka, Animators, Authors, (Script) Writers and/or Directors themselves, so - for Goodnesses' sake - by WHAT 'right' they decide to do so? I really wanna know. 
And don't come to me with this so-called 'Freedom of Speech' thing again because, at some point or another, the former just doesn't cover such mean & toxic behavior anymore. You can stone me now if you want.
And don't come to me with this so-called 'Freedom of Speech' thing again because, at some point or another, the former just doesn't cover such mean & toxic behavior anymore. You can stone me now if you want.
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