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If you look up “Giorgio di Sant’ Angelo” or “Sant’ Angelo” on Google Shooping, you will find many outfits that reflect “the spirit” of this Chanel collection. Many beautiful scarves on eBay for under $40. Some made of silk.
The Sant’ Angelo dress that looks like Minako’s is on a consignment website, it is from the 70s, it costs $350 USD. A vintage piece.
Yves Saint Laurent was the first designer to put black models on the stage and to create an African-themed collection…
… but this Chanel collection, the inspiration, in my opinion, are the prints of Giorgio di Sant’ Angelo, a student of Pablo Picasso.
America has an incredible fashion history.
The Sant’ Angelo dress that looks like Minako’s is on a consignment website, it is from the 70s, it costs $350 USD. A vintage piece.
Yves Saint Laurent was the first designer to put black models on the stage and to create an African-themed collection…
… but this Chanel collection, the inspiration, in my opinion, are the prints of Giorgio di Sant’ Angelo, a student of Pablo Picasso.
America has an incredible fashion history.
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These Sant’ Angelo scarves are from the 60s and 70s, prints influenced by Africa. All under $40 on eBay.
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ikr all I know about fashion is Thierry Mugler 
(and I'm talking when Manfred was the creative director, I still don't like the rebranding of Mugler at all)
(and I'm talking when Manfred was the creative director, I still don't like the rebranding of Mugler at all)
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And I'm personally tired of people tone-policing and somehow acting like nonstop condescension isn't the norm. This is the forum that replaced "LOL" with "rantipole" with a word filter.
Except who are you to judge someone else's "whole online presence" based on whatever arguments they have? I've written fan fic, drawn atrocious fan art, and posted fan videos (the latter of which got yanked thanks to Viz getting the license), but according to you, if I were to hold firm to an opinion you would dismiss all of my entire being as worth less than you. "Toxic" is subjective and a pejorative label wielded by those with more power against those who have less in a dismissive insult.
Again, if it's just an opinion, why should you care how strongly someone holds or expresses them? Accepting they have different opinions means letting them exist. If I didn't accept they had different opinions, I would want their words and presence to stop existing so my opinion would be the only one that remained.
You...really think that's the worst possible accusation? I've not only been accused of being different posters but actual different people. People to this day think I am Nads6969's sockpuppet because I spoke out about the Sailor Moon fandom doxxing and harassing her and her family. Other people are convinced I'm a games journalist. I can't stop them from thinking I'm Oxford or whatever. That's just the Internet. I'm a "bigot" and according to the Positivity Police and the Curate Your Own Experience crowd people should block and doxx "bigots" so I don't have much sympathy for accusations made against other people. At least someone fights on your side. That's a sign you're not the victim.
Sorry, that you left, that's on you, and, no, you shouldn't call people out because it's just another form of bullying. I have more sympathy for people like BoonDocksMoon and LoyalMoonie who were doxxed and banned from this forum and never brought back. People like SerenaSailorMoonFan/TerriHawkesFan who got chased away and "called out" are fans who stopped making work for other fans because of the flack they got for liking the wrong version of Sailor Moon. If someone calls you out and no one is in your corner and you're not allowed to post, that is really what is "toxic." Discussions change over time, but preventing a "hatefest" is disingenuous. Groupthink and consensus are bad, as well as supporting people who are in a stronger position than you.
It would be nice if there had been positive discission about how the Optiminum DiC Dub should have remained the canonical version of Sailor Moon instead, but no, people said it was bad, were relentlessly negative about it -- even on this very board where you literally could not write "Sailor Scout" -- and any of its fans to the point where Viz got the license, it even started changing things the dub was accurate about because it wanted its own spin. The version of Sailor Moon I enjoyed and was canon has been erased. You'll never officially hear the lyrics "fighting evil by moonlight" even though those were the lyrics people grew up on. Negativity literally affected canon and has rewritten the North American fandom's memories. Trying to stop negativity because it's ruining your enjoyment is trying to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube.
You cry about a few months. Try close to 30 years since dub-bashing happened since Day One....with no hope of recovery. If it's ruining your enjoyment, it's because you and others who are now advocating toxic positivity are reaping what you've sown. Bashing the dub means you bash the franchise forever. You don't get to stop because you got what you want.
Except who are you to judge someone else's "whole online presence" based on whatever arguments they have? I've written fan fic, drawn atrocious fan art, and posted fan videos (the latter of which got yanked thanks to Viz getting the license), but according to you, if I were to hold firm to an opinion you would dismiss all of my entire being as worth less than you. "Toxic" is subjective and a pejorative label wielded by those with more power against those who have less in a dismissive insult.
Again, if it's just an opinion, why should you care how strongly someone holds or expresses them? Accepting they have different opinions means letting them exist. If I didn't accept they had different opinions, I would want their words and presence to stop existing so my opinion would be the only one that remained.
You...really think that's the worst possible accusation? I've not only been accused of being different posters but actual different people. People to this day think I am Nads6969's sockpuppet because I spoke out about the Sailor Moon fandom doxxing and harassing her and her family. Other people are convinced I'm a games journalist. I can't stop them from thinking I'm Oxford or whatever. That's just the Internet. I'm a "bigot" and according to the Positivity Police and the Curate Your Own Experience crowd people should block and doxx "bigots" so I don't have much sympathy for accusations made against other people. At least someone fights on your side. That's a sign you're not the victim.
Sorry, that you left, that's on you, and, no, you shouldn't call people out because it's just another form of bullying. I have more sympathy for people like BoonDocksMoon and LoyalMoonie who were doxxed and banned from this forum and never brought back. People like SerenaSailorMoonFan/TerriHawkesFan who got chased away and "called out" are fans who stopped making work for other fans because of the flack they got for liking the wrong version of Sailor Moon. If someone calls you out and no one is in your corner and you're not allowed to post, that is really what is "toxic." Discussions change over time, but preventing a "hatefest" is disingenuous. Groupthink and consensus are bad, as well as supporting people who are in a stronger position than you.
It would be nice if there had been positive discission about how the Optiminum DiC Dub should have remained the canonical version of Sailor Moon instead, but no, people said it was bad, were relentlessly negative about it -- even on this very board where you literally could not write "Sailor Scout" -- and any of its fans to the point where Viz got the license, it even started changing things the dub was accurate about because it wanted its own spin. The version of Sailor Moon I enjoyed and was canon has been erased. You'll never officially hear the lyrics "fighting evil by moonlight" even though those were the lyrics people grew up on. Negativity literally affected canon and has rewritten the North American fandom's memories. Trying to stop negativity because it's ruining your enjoyment is trying to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube.
You cry about a few months. Try close to 30 years since dub-bashing happened since Day One....with no hope of recovery. If it's ruining your enjoyment, it's because you and others who are now advocating toxic positivity are reaping what you've sown. Bashing the dub means you bash the franchise forever. You don't get to stop because you got what you want.
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Thank you for that, it makes me appreciate the clothes. At first I thought they were a bit random, even mismatched, but I think looking at those garments I get what the collaboration means to be about.
You're one step above me, all I know is the names of big labels, like Chanel, but I couldn't name any particular designer... unless there's a big label named after them, lol.
It shouldn't be the norm, and if it wasn't, nobody would complain.
I really think you're just not reading what I'm saying.
I'm not calling you toxic. You're able to discuss many different topics and aren't just focusing on hating one thing on every other post, and your avatar and signature aren't dedicated to hating on others. That's the online presence, by the way.
And if you had opinions contrary to mine, as you already do, I wouldn't dismiss "all of your entire being as worth less than me". That's what a few toxic posters in this forum are doing to others, and that's wrong, and I don't do it. I might be tired of them for other reasons but I don't think they're worth less than me. I don't know them, all I know is their online presence... which revolves around hate.
No and I never said that, I just gave that as an example of the kind of atmosphere this forum has where right off the bat I'm called an ignorant sockpuppet.
I have no idea about your personal story or drama in the fandom, and while I don't think this thread is the space to discuss it, I'm sorry people have been doxxed. That isn't okay, but going all "*shrugs* that's fandom, it's toxic, tough it up" isn't okay either. We should strive to be a better community.
I'm not calling out people, I'm calling out their attitudes towards others. This is akin to saying "if you face aggression you can't say anything otherwise you're a bully". Ignoring that attitude clearly isn't working because it's what we've all done and the forum is still overrun by it.
I'm sorry but it was never canon, it's just one of many versions. I didn't grow up with it, I'm sure a lot of people here didn't grow up with it either, I've never bashed it personally because I've barely even watched it, and if that's your bone to pick with the fandom or the franchise that leads you to wanting to enable perpetual bitterness I'm sorry... but in this very forum I've read positive discussions about the dub.
If you had a bad experience with the fandom being toxic that's bad, but we shouldn't enable that toxicity. I don't see any of that in any other Sailor Moon-related space but this one forum, and that's enough to prove that people can move past it and foster a more positive community instead of dwelling in bitterness and condescension.
ikr all I know about fashion is Thierry Mugler (and I'm talking when Manfred was the creative director, I still don't like the rebranding of Mugler at all)
(and I'm talking when Manfred was the creative director, I still don't like the rebranding of Mugler at all)
It shouldn't be the norm, and if it wasn't, nobody would complain.
I really think you're just not reading what I'm saying.
I'm not calling you toxic. You're able to discuss many different topics and aren't just focusing on hating one thing on every other post, and your avatar and signature aren't dedicated to hating on others. That's the online presence, by the way.
And if you had opinions contrary to mine, as you already do, I wouldn't dismiss "all of your entire being as worth less than me". That's what a few toxic posters in this forum are doing to others, and that's wrong, and I don't do it. I might be tired of them for other reasons but I don't think they're worth less than me. I don't know them, all I know is their online presence... which revolves around hate.
No and I never said that, I just gave that as an example of the kind of atmosphere this forum has where right off the bat I'm called an ignorant sockpuppet.
I have no idea about your personal story or drama in the fandom, and while I don't think this thread is the space to discuss it, I'm sorry people have been doxxed. That isn't okay, but going all "*shrugs* that's fandom, it's toxic, tough it up" isn't okay either. We should strive to be a better community.
I'm not calling out people, I'm calling out their attitudes towards others. This is akin to saying "if you face aggression you can't say anything otherwise you're a bully". Ignoring that attitude clearly isn't working because it's what we've all done and the forum is still overrun by it.
I'm sorry but it was never canon, it's just one of many versions. I didn't grow up with it, I'm sure a lot of people here didn't grow up with it either, I've never bashed it personally because I've barely even watched it, and if that's your bone to pick with the fandom or the franchise that leads you to wanting to enable perpetual bitterness I'm sorry... but in this very forum I've read positive discussions about the dub.
If you had a bad experience with the fandom being toxic that's bad, but we shouldn't enable that toxicity. I don't see any of that in any other Sailor Moon-related space but this one forum, and that's enough to prove that people can move past it and foster a more positive community instead of dwelling in bitterness and condescension.
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I do sympathize a bit with Nadia , because I know the feeling.There was a time I saw people was bashing the dub, but just people were terrible.Dosent mean people should be terrible now.
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You are welcome. I love literature, history, art and fashion.
Chanel was friends with Picasso (she probably met him through a poet and playwright, Jean Cocteau).
Sant’ Angelo … was Picasso’s student.
I think Sant‘ Angelo’s bold colors and motifs from the 70s influenced the Chanel collection. But that’s just my opinion.
Chanel was friends with Picasso (she probably met him through a poet and playwright, Jean Cocteau).
Sant’ Angelo … was Picasso’s student.
I think Sant‘ Angelo’s bold colors and motifs from the 70s influenced the Chanel collection. But that’s just my opinion.
I think looking at his work you can definitely see a link, especially in the patterns (I hope that's the right term). The spirit of the 70s comment on the official site lends credence to your opinion, I don't think it's too far off.
I used to overlook fashion but thanks to revisiting Sailor Moon and to knowing someone who works with it, I've come to appreciate it a lot, even if I'm still a layman when it comes to it. On that interview I translated Takeuchi talked about how fashion weaves stories and I think that perspective helps me appreciate something like this collection (and Sant' Angelo's work) more than I would otherwise.
I really like these pictures, they all look so happy and it's nice to see. But the comments on the tweet say that these are unofficial cards from TaoBao. Do you if they're taken from another work by Takeuchi or if they're fanart?
I used to overlook fashion but thanks to revisiting Sailor Moon and to knowing someone who works with it, I've come to appreciate it a lot, even if I'm still a layman when it comes to it. On that interview I translated Takeuchi talked about how fashion weaves stories and I think that perspective helps me appreciate something like this collection (and Sant' Angelo's work) more than I would otherwise.
I really like these pictures, they all look so happy and it's nice to see. But the comments on the tweet say that these are unofficial cards from TaoBao. Do you if they're taken from another work by Takeuchi or if they're fanart?
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You say condescension shouldn't be the norm, but your very next sentence is exactly that.
I read and understand what you're saying. Your stated belief is constant negativity fosters an environment where people feel unwelcome to discuss matters or express positivity when they will be met with mockery and relentless, repetitive protests. I also am reading the unsaid, in that you feel unwelcome and you also judge the complaints as baseless because they are repetitive.
It doesn't matter if you're calling me toxic. You're calling other people toxic
You already suggested I can't read revolves around hate
When you're saying their online presence, you're reducing them. You're not following them to get a whole picture of who they are. You're making a snap judgment.
You led into this with your describing how you were treated. But when I describe how I was treated it's not the topic for discission . That's what I don't like; the different treatment of personal anecdotes. Why is your pain relevant while mine is not?
Then that means the forum...has a different culture.
Once upon a time, I used to complain that the forum had a harmful administration and a fan base. Guess what?
I. Got. Banned.
I was cut off from the community for seemingly forever because other people deemed me toxic, so yes, I know what it's like to be labelled as such.
If it's an official release, it's canon.
It doesn't matter that you never bashed it, but you benefited from the bashing with a new release.
That other people did not grow up with it makes it all the more important for people to keep a record of this as a reminder of what it was.
And that there is positive discussion here compared to elsewhere is proof that forum isn't just a hatefest.
Again, this forum is a lot better than it was in the past. You know some of those posters who write walls of text and have gotten called out for their attitudes? They used to be considered quality. Once upon a time, the attitudes you're calling out were those of the mods.
The problem isn't people weren't just terrible. People effected change by being terrible. If the fandom had been as positive about the version of Sailor Moon that aired on American TV, it is much less likely it would have been replaced in a manner that would have erased everything.
I read and understand what you're saying. Your stated belief is constant negativity fosters an environment where people feel unwelcome to discuss matters or express positivity when they will be met with mockery and relentless, repetitive protests. I also am reading the unsaid, in that you feel unwelcome and you also judge the complaints as baseless because they are repetitive.
It doesn't matter if you're calling me toxic. You're calling other people toxic
You already suggested I can't read revolves around hate
When you're saying their online presence, you're reducing them. You're not following them to get a whole picture of who they are. You're making a snap judgment.
You led into this with your describing how you were treated. But when I describe how I was treated it's not the topic for discission . That's what I don't like; the different treatment of personal anecdotes. Why is your pain relevant while mine is not?
Then that means the forum...has a different culture.
Once upon a time, I used to complain that the forum had a harmful administration and a fan base. Guess what?
I. Got. Banned.
I was cut off from the community for seemingly forever because other people deemed me toxic, so yes, I know what it's like to be labelled as such.
If it's an official release, it's canon.
It doesn't matter that you never bashed it, but you benefited from the bashing with a new release.
That other people did not grow up with it makes it all the more important for people to keep a record of this as a reminder of what it was.
And that there is positive discussion here compared to elsewhere is proof that forum isn't just a hatefest.
Again, this forum is a lot better than it was in the past. You know some of those posters who write walls of text and have gotten called out for their attitudes? They used to be considered quality. Once upon a time, the attitudes you're calling out were those of the mods.
The problem isn't people weren't just terrible. People effected change by being terrible. If the fandom had been as positive about the version of Sailor Moon that aired on American TV, it is much less likely it would have been replaced in a manner that would have erased everything.
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Nadia the dic dub was not erase from assistance.The dic dub realistically was old and incomplete.In fact I don't think Dic had any plans on finishing it.To my understanding it stop airing at episode 65.Than later it was picked up toonami
Even if dub was more positive received.Viz would had to redubbed it anyway.Espevially since it was old and never completed in the first place.
Even if dub was more positive received.Viz would had to redubbed it anyway.Espevially since it was old and never completed in the first place.
Well, as I mentioned in a previous thread, people experience the “Sailor Moon” franchise differently.
There is no wrong or right way to define an experience.
If you were a kid or teenager in the early-90s living in North America, your experience was defined by the DIC dub. And many people loved the DIC/TokyoPop experience and do not want to have this experience erased. These are valid emotions.
Telling people that the original Japanese version is better than the DIC version is wrong and shouldn’t happen. We should show solidarity and hope that the DIC dub will become available.
In the early-00s, a lot of people hated PGSM and told PGSM fans that PGSM was pure garbage. That was also wrong.
Telling Crysternal fans that they have bad taste and that Naoko Takeuchi is not a true artist… well, I see a pattern being repeated here.
And, yes, unfortunate events happened in the past and people got hurt. However, we can control what happens in the present.
There is no wrong or right way to define an experience.
If you were a kid or teenager in the early-90s living in North America, your experience was defined by the DIC dub. And many people loved the DIC/TokyoPop experience and do not want to have this experience erased. These are valid emotions.
Telling people that the original Japanese version is better than the DIC version is wrong and shouldn’t happen. We should show solidarity and hope that the DIC dub will become available.
In the early-00s, a lot of people hated PGSM and told PGSM fans that PGSM was pure garbage. That was also wrong.
Telling Crysternal fans that they have bad taste and that Naoko Takeuchi is not a true artist… well, I see a pattern being repeated here.
And, yes, unfortunate events happened in the past and people got hurt. However, we can control what happens in the present.
I didn't mean to be condescending, and I'm sorry if I came off that way. I was earnest when I said it was like you didn't read my post because you told me I would dismiss the entire beings of people with different opinions even though I had said nothing like that.
You got my stated belief right, but the unsaid one isn't so accurate because it's not just me feeling unwelcome, other people feel the same way as expressed in this thread even before I came back. Also, I don't think the complaints are baseless, what they are is subjective, and several people also agree with that take. Repeating subjective opinions and acting as if they were facts is what's tiresome, but I did state that before. I'd prefer it if you didn't read the unsaid because it seems that's how you end up getting me wrong, what I say is what I mean.
We're all reduced to online presences here, it's part of being online. All I can know about anyone here is their online presence, and a few people choose to present themselves with demeaning avatars, signatures, and repetitive content based on hating things for months, so that's all I can assess them on. I'd say reducing people is when you belittle others or treat them as ignorant, and that's part of what some people do in their online presence.
I didn't mean to imply your experience wasn't important, but you're talking about things that happened in the past whereas I'm talking about current attitudes present in the forum and in this very topic, that's why I brought them up as examples.
I think I've said everything I have to about this issue as clearly possible. I think continuing this back and forth will only derail the topic even further, so maybe we could do that elsewhere, although I only continued to reply because I felt I wasn't being understood. Now you've made it clear that you understand what my stated belief is and that's enough for me, even if you disagree with it.
Finally, for whatever it's worth, I assure you haven't "benefitted" from people bashing on the old English dub because I've never watched Sailor Moon in English and I doubt I ever will, and English releases are completely irrelevant to how I've accessed the series. I understand you feel strongly about that dub but please, don't bring me into that as I really have no relation to any English dub. All I can say is that I feel that hatefully bashing it, or any other adaptation, is wrong and shouldn't happen.
Exactly. I can always count on you to get to the point, lol. There's no reason to normalize bad experiences just because they were common in the past, we can always strive to make the present better.
NOW, back on topic...
I found this video of the Chanel magazine/catalogue:
ちびび ໒꒱* 。㊗️セーラームーン30周年 en Twitter: "いつも元気をいただいているのでと、女神すぎるフォロワー様から、シャネルのカタログ冊子をいただいてしまいました！ CHANEL × セーラームーン描き下ろしのセーラー戦士たちが美しすぎる〜！ https://t.co/DCnGIR8b09" / Twitter
Since the official website said that the magazine wasn't for sale, I wonder how you would go about acquiring it. I imagine it'll be expensive to buy it from resellers, so all I wish is that someone will actually scan it to have the art available in high quality.
You got my stated belief right, but the unsaid one isn't so accurate because it's not just me feeling unwelcome, other people feel the same way as expressed in this thread even before I came back. Also, I don't think the complaints are baseless, what they are is subjective, and several people also agree with that take. Repeating subjective opinions and acting as if they were facts is what's tiresome, but I did state that before. I'd prefer it if you didn't read the unsaid because it seems that's how you end up getting me wrong, what I say is what I mean.
We're all reduced to online presences here, it's part of being online. All I can know about anyone here is their online presence, and a few people choose to present themselves with demeaning avatars, signatures, and repetitive content based on hating things for months, so that's all I can assess them on. I'd say reducing people is when you belittle others or treat them as ignorant, and that's part of what some people do in their online presence.
I didn't mean to imply your experience wasn't important, but you're talking about things that happened in the past whereas I'm talking about current attitudes present in the forum and in this very topic, that's why I brought them up as examples.
I think I've said everything I have to about this issue as clearly possible. I think continuing this back and forth will only derail the topic even further, so maybe we could do that elsewhere, although I only continued to reply because I felt I wasn't being understood. Now you've made it clear that you understand what my stated belief is and that's enough for me, even if you disagree with it.
Finally, for whatever it's worth, I assure you haven't "benefitted" from people bashing on the old English dub because I've never watched Sailor Moon in English and I doubt I ever will, and English releases are completely irrelevant to how I've accessed the series. I understand you feel strongly about that dub but please, don't bring me into that as I really have no relation to any English dub. All I can say is that I feel that hatefully bashing it, or any other adaptation, is wrong and shouldn't happen.
Exactly. I can always count on you to get to the point, lol. There's no reason to normalize bad experiences just because they were common in the past, we can always strive to make the present better.
NOW, back on topic...
I found this video of the Chanel magazine/catalogue:
ちびび ໒꒱* 。㊗️セーラームーン30周年 en Twitter: "いつも元気をいただいているのでと、女神すぎるフォロワー様から、シャネルのカタログ冊子をいただいてしまいました！ CHANEL × セーラームーン描き下ろしのセーラー戦士たちが美しすぎる〜！ https://t.co/DCnGIR8b09" / Twitter
Since the official website said that the magazine wasn't for sale, I wonder how you would go about acquiring it. I imagine it'll be expensive to buy it from resellers, so all I wish is that someone will actually scan it to have the art available in high quality.
Quoting myself w/ certain words bolded in the quote:
Those words bolded in the above quote were originally in the post when it was posted, & weren't added later.
I did noticed those memes on other threads after my posting that post, tho, but for now I wouldn't like to apply that restriction on other or even all threads - I hope I wouldn't be compelled to do so in due course, because I don't like such restrictions, personally.
Those words bolded in the above quote were originally in the post when it was posted, & weren't added later.
I did noticed those memes on other threads after my posting that post, tho, but for now I wouldn't like to apply that restriction on other or even all threads - I hope I wouldn't be compelled to do so in due course, because I don't like such restrictions, personally.
Yeah, I'd hate it if all the memes got cut off completely. Some of them might go a bit far but the ones especially made for the forum keep me cracked up even when I don't agree with the viewpoints 100%.
(not mentioning any names but
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I love when I say something critical and get smacked with a "why won't you worship Sailor Moon meme."
Every version of Sailor Moon is flawed but yet, here we still are. The people being critical wouldn't be here if they didn't care about the franchise.
Sometimes I believe the more exaggerated rhetoric is their own way of being fans. And we all can get a little heated when we feel called out on both sides.
I love Sailor Moon, but it's not that big of a deal if someone else thinks it sucks. But most of the people here love it even if they think it does suck.
(not mentioning any names but
! )I love when I say something critical and get smacked with a "why won't you worship Sailor Moon meme."
Every version of Sailor Moon is flawed but yet, here we still are. The people being critical wouldn't be here if they didn't care about the franchise.
Sometimes I believe the more exaggerated rhetoric is their own way of being fans. And we all can get a little heated when we feel called out on both sides.
I love Sailor Moon, but it's not that big of a deal if someone else thinks it sucks. But most of the people here love it even if they think it does suck.
To be honest I’m a bit concerned that anything that is a (valid) criticism is now being called « bashing ». It’s a public forum and reading last pages, it’s basically people saying « I just want to read posts that have the same opinion as mine. If it’s different, it’s hate / toxicity / bashing ».
It’s a public forum and not a private fan club of an author or a series, of course when posting there you will be engaged in debates. That’s the very definition of a forum. You may dislike Lady Pen or Talentless Fool posts but for me they are often the most interesting one, they have valid points and argumented ideas. Sure I tend to be in the more critical side of users there but there are lot of other users I could think of that I believe are interesting even if they are very defensive of Takeuchi or things I dislike in the franchise.
Isn’t it a bit sad that people just want to read opinions that are the same as their own ?
(Nothing personal in this post, I replied this to you but it could have been to other users too).
It’s a public forum and not a private fan club of an author or a series, of course when posting there you will be engaged in debates. That’s the very definition of a forum. You may dislike Lady Pen or Talentless Fool posts but for me they are often the most interesting one, they have valid points and argumented ideas. Sure I tend to be in the more critical side of users there but there are lot of other users I could think of that I believe are interesting even if they are very defensive of Takeuchi or things I dislike in the franchise.
Isn’t it a bit sad that people just want to read opinions that are the same as their own ?
(Nothing personal in this post, I replied this to you but it could have been to other users too).
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I don’t think people want to just read opinions that align with their own; I think people want to engage with other fans, critically or otherwise, without feeling like they are being disparaged for liking something that is of low quality.
Of course the key is to just not care what these people say and think. At the end of the day if people think I have bad taste or I’m not smart because I like the manga or these new illustrations…..I don’t care lmao. Got a thousand other things to put my emotional energy into. And I would advise other users to do the same. These people are going to continue making fun of you no matter what. You just have to ignore them.
It’s frustrating to see this constantly reduced to “people are allowed to disagree” — like yes, of course they are, I have disagreed with @Clow over PGSM but he only ever made critical remarks about the show, not about the people who like it. And of course the other way is just as important to discuss, some people go too far and take it personally when others critique something they love, but I would say the way the critiquing is done by many fans seems like it’s done on purpose to push people’s buttons. Not just referring to here but to fandoms in general.
Of course the key is to just not care what these people say and think. At the end of the day if people think I have bad taste or I’m not smart because I like the manga or these new illustrations…..I don’t care lmao. Got a thousand other things to put my emotional energy into. And I would advise other users to do the same. These people are going to continue making fun of you no matter what. You just have to ignore them.
It’s frustrating to see this constantly reduced to “people are allowed to disagree” — like yes, of course they are, I have disagreed with @Clow over PGSM but he only ever made critical remarks about the show, not about the people who like it. And of course the other way is just as important to discuss, some people go too far and take it personally when others critique something they love, but I would say the way the critiquing is done by many fans seems like it’s done on purpose to push people’s buttons. Not just referring to here but to fandoms in general.