Outer Senshi in Sailor Moon S

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Lillie4747

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I’ve been rewatching the 90s anime. My biggest complaint is the way that the outer senshi (Sailor Uranus and Neptune) act throughout the whole season. They act superior to the inner senshi, claiming that Sailor Moon and the others are incapable of doing anything. Obviously they weren’t around the previous two seasons, otherwise they’d know just what Sailor Moon and the others were capable of, but where do they get off on behaving this way? If they are so superior to the inner senshi, then why weren’t they around to save the world in the first two seasons? I wish Sailor Uranus and Neptune would stop being stubborn and denying that they are all Sailor guardians and need to be working together as a team.
 
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Yeah, I think you meant just regular S (season 3)

But yeah I know what you mean, though to be honest out of the 3 Pluto probably irks me more. While she didn't come off as cold as Uranus and Neptune, in her case though, she atleast knew, saw and witnessed what they did in R and how they saved the future, and presumingly she is probably aware of their actions in Classic too, and yet she'd also rather be on team: reject the "weaker" senshi.
 

Lillie4747

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Yeah, I think you meant just regular S (season 3)

But yeah I know what you mean, though to be honest out of the 3 Pluto probably irks me more. While she didn't come off as cold as Uranus and Neptune, in her case though, she atleast knew, saw and witnessed what they did in R and how they saved the future, and presumingly she is probably aware of their actions in Classic too, and yet she'd also rather be on team: reject the "weaker" senshi.
I just got to that part of there season. I completely agree. Pluto saw what Sailor Moon and the others are capable of and still went along with Uranus and Neptune. She’s supposed to be a friend of Neo Queen Serenity and Chibi-USA, but she doesn’t act like it during this season.
 

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I just got to that part of there season. I completely agree. Pluto saw what Sailor Moon and the others are capable of and still went along with Uranus and Neptune. She’s supposed to be a friend of Neo Queen Serenity and Chibi-USA, but she doesn’t act like it during this season.
Since she can see thru the various paths of future, she might have a good but undisclosable reason to stay w/ Uranus & Neptune, so that the future could turn out to fulfil the grand, overall purpose, i.e. how the story turns out at the end of the season. Again, that's just my headcanon. lol
 
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Uranus and Neptune are complex. They feel they failed as it was their job to guard against threats from outside of the Solar System, so they feel it's their job alone to fix things. They've also convinced themselves that very dark actions are required to save the world this time and they feel the Inner Senshi aren't capable of such sacrifice...Pluto may be thinking that way as well.
 
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After watching the battle with Mistress 9, I changed my mind about Pluto. I think she needed to pick the side of Uranus and Neptune to keep them safe. (She saved them from being killed in a helicopter explosion. It was then that she told them to look out for the true messiah.) Uranus and Neptune were still hellbent on killing Mistress 9 and even went as far as calling Sailor Moon selfish for wanting to protect Hotaru. In reality they are the selfish ones, Sailor Saturn needed to transform to save the day and because of Sailor Moons selfless desire to sacrifice herself for others, she was able to bring Saturn back from death.
 

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After watching the battle with Mistress 9, I changed my mind about Pluto. I think she needed to pick the side of Uranus and Neptune to keep them safe. (She saved them from being killed in a helicopter explosion. It was then that she told them to look out for the true messiah.) Uranus and Neptune were still hellbent on killing Mistress 9 and even went as far as calling Sailor Moon selfish for wanting to protect Hotaru. In reality they are the selfish ones, Sailor Saturn needed to transform to save the day and because of Sailor Moons selfless desire to sacrifice herself for others, she was able to bring Saturn back from death.
That's what I meant in my last post above. :) IIRC, she also had never said anything bitchy to the Inners, even tho she appeared as standing w/ Uranus & Neptune.
 

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Yeah, I think you meant just regular S (season 3)

But yeah I know what you mean, though to be honest out of the 3 Pluto probably irks me more. While she didn't come off as cold as Uranus and Neptune, in her case though, she atleast knew, saw and witnessed what they did in R and how they saved the future, and presumingly she is probably aware of their actions in Classic too, and yet she'd also rather be on team: reject the "weaker" senshi.
I’ve always thought Pluto was strongly neutral to the whole team. She agrees with Uranus and she also know what Sailor Moon was capable of. After all the scene of the outer in the helicopter, Uranus states their was no Messiah. We then see Pluto recalling back from the past of Sailor Moon stating she will protect everyone at all cost, even if it means to save Hotaru. I think she knew right there Sailor Moon was the “messiah” after all!
 

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I’ve always thought Pluto was strongly neutral to the whole team. She agrees with Uranus and she also know what Sailor Moon was capable of. After all the scene of the outer in the helicopter, Uranus states their was no Messiah. We then see Pluto recalling back from the past of Sailor Moon stating she will protect everyone at all cost, even if it means to save Hotaru. I think she knew right there Sailor Moon was the “messiah” after all!
Yeah, I suppose she should've already known everything & every possible paths into the future, as every possible events in the past, present, & future, as seen by her, are nodes all "simultaneously" interlinked in a network/web. :)
 

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I’ve been rewatching the 90s anime. My biggest complaint is the way that the outer senshi (Sailor Uranus and Neptune) act throughout the whole season. They act superior to the inner senshi, claiming that Sailor Moon and the others are incapable of doing anything. Obviously they weren’t around the previous two seasons, otherwise they’d know just what Sailor Moon and the others were capable of, but where do they get off on behaving this way? If they are so superior to the inner senshi, then why weren’t they around to save the world in the first two seasons? I wish Sailor Uranus and Neptune would stop being stubborn and denying that they are all Sailor guardians and need to be working together as a team.
You are not the only one with that complaint. For the longest time, I utterly hated both of them simply because of their attitude and how it hampered the heroes and helped the enemy. It was bad enough when they walked away from Nekoneru. It was worse when after Sailor Moon got the Holy Grail and powered up, instead of those two and Pluto saying they'd work with our gang just to keep it from falling into the wrong hands, they decide, "No, we have to find who this treasure really should belong to and are going to leave you girls to rot with your own battles."

That said, over the years, I've learned to understand their point of view no matter how much I personally disagree with it. As you mention, they were not around the previous two seasons, largely because they were fighting their own battles against the proto-Daimons at the same time. In other words, much like the general public, they were unaware of the extent of the Sailor Team's exploits. If they don't know, then of course they're going to see these girls who are claiming to be Sailor Guardians but can't even battle mere minions and look down on them. Coupled with their protests about letting the enemy attack people and steal their heat crystals, they deemed these girls as both immature and incompatible with their goals. They have a job to do and don't have time to babysit junior heroes who are a hindrance.

There's also the issue that deep down, both of them keep an antagonistic attitude because both of them know they'll have to do some rotten things and make some hard choices and they don't want the other girls to have share in that. Since they're older, they have a responsibility to take on the burden and when it's all said and done, there might not be a place for them at the table, so to speak. For that reason, they don't want anyone to miss them when they're gone. If the others hate them, then it won't make anyone sad if they lost their lives or worse.
 
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90s Uranus and Neptune's logic was seem like adapted Manga's Black Moon Clan a bit, their way to blamed Usagi was rather like Manga Sapphir.
There are many differences but I think both were in conflict with femininity or masculinity.
90s Sailor Moon was feminine girl who believes to all (or person very close to her) lives should be protected, while 90s Uranus was masculne girl who believes should protect many over few.
Manga BMC believed macho politics filled with violence and death is just, and 30th's female line politics filled with peace and immortality is bad.

Also Uranus/Neptune and Demande/Esmeraude have some similarities, Naoko said Neptune is Quiet Esmeraude. Manga Uranus and Demande have same hair color and both kissed Sailor Moon suddenly. Are Uranus and Neptune be Senshi version of Demande and Esmeraude?
 
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