PGSM Community Re-Watch Thread (2018-2019)

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Act 9

- Another fun episode that follows a chapter from the manga. In hindsight, it's pretty crazy how closely PGSM followed the manga at first, only to wildly diverge from it (which really kicks into high gear in just a few more episodes). But it also makes me wonder how the 90s anime might have turned out had they given the manga another month or two before starting production.
- Some nice stuff with Ami this episode.
- So... That guy who wanted to hire Rei was full of crap, right? Since his "crystal" shattered, it was obviously just a hunk of glass, and he had to have known that...right?
- Also, who determined the value of the Silver Crystal, how, and why? Just because a phantom thief is after a gem no one's heard of before, that makes it worth millions?
- The impostor Tuxedo Masks were funny but...they make no sense. What is the point in pretending to be a famous phantom thief? It's just going to call attention to you which will make it harder for you to steal things, and should you be caught, you're going to end up facing a ton of burglary and theft charges for which you're innocent. Stupid criminals are stupid.
- Tuxedo!Usagi was adorable.
- So... Does Mamoru return the stuff he steals once he realizes they're not the Silver Crystal, or....? Because I feel like that's not really addressed and could really go either way...

Act 10

- I keep forgetting to mention this, but Nephrite's blue contacts really creep me out
- They should sell Zoisite's stationery.
- I liked how this episode made use of the Princess Kaguya legend. It's odd to me that it never really came up in the anime or manga until the Snow Princess Kaguya story.
- A bittersweet episode for a change, but they can't all be goofy shenanigans.
- With this episode, the monsters of the day finally start to have a cohesive aesthetic.
 
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- Another fun episode that follows a chapter from the manga. In hindsight, it's pretty crazy how closely PGSM followed the manga at first, only to wildly diverge from it (which really kicks into high gear in just a few more episodes). But it also makes me wonder how the 90s anime might have turned out had they given the manga another month or two before starting production.
Right?? It's actually kind of stunning. Watching PGSM again makes me realize that Crystal really could've been something special if the producers were allowed to deviate a little bit.

- So... That guy who wanted to hire Rei was full of crap, right? Since his "crystal" shattered, it was obviously just a hunk of glass, and he had to have known that...right?
I never thought of that. Maybe he was just trying to run some kind of publicity stunt?

- The impostor Tuxedo Masks were funny but...they make no sense. What is the point in pretending to be a famous phantom thief? It's just going to call attention to you which will make it harder for you to steal things, and should you be caught, you're going to end up facing a ton of burglary and theft charges for which you're innocent. Stupid criminals are stupid.
It seems like they were just trying to...get into the craze? I guess? I doubt they were actually looking to steal anything. They just wanted their 15 minutes of fame. Or the rush of it. Who knows?

- I keep forgetting to mention this, but Nephrite's blue contacts really creep me out
YES.

- I liked how this episode made use of the Princess Kaguya legend. It's odd to me that it never really came up in the anime or manga until the Snow Princess Kaguya story.
Yeah, for a legend that basically exists in the fiber of Sailor Moon's essence, it's surprising how rarely the characters even speak of it.

- With this episode, the monsters of the day finally start to have a cohesive aesthetic.
I actually wish they were a bit more random, but I see the appeal of cohesion here.

I think we'll be taking another few days to let people continue to catch up. :)
 
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Watching PGSM again makes me realize that Crystal really could've been something special if the producers were allowed to deviate a little bit.
I wish that the Crystal staff would deviate from the manga too.
 

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Act 11

- Honestly, it would make so much more sense if the "Sailor V" persona were just something Minako made up (for whatever reason) and the costume were an actual, regular costume she had to physically put on instead of magically transform into. It would resolve the weird discrepancy that that form creates. Too bad the show retcons this idea in the next episode.
- Also, good job keeping your costume in a bag that doesn't even have a lock on it. What if your assistant had opened it to make sure nothing inside it had been damaged?
- Why is the show keeping Artemis's appearance a mystery? There's no point in keeping him a secret from the audience...
- I love Minako's manager...even if he seems borderline insane.
- Is Minako supposed to be an orphan in this series? I mean, she's in the hospital...yet there are no parents in sight. Her parents aren't even
mentioned by anyone. Minako talks about being alone, but does that mean she's an orphan? That her parents are estranged from her? I wish the show had explored Minako's family the way it did Ami's and Rei's.
- I think Usagi's stanning for Minako is cute (if bordering on psychotic) and I love her and Makoto's dynamic in this episode.
- Can we get an "Ami and Rei: Sailor Sleuths" spin-off?
- Usagi needs to take some Adderall.
- Luna being bound and tagged is possibly the funniest visual gag of the series
- Minako is obnoxious AF regarding Usagi. Like, girl: your biggest hit (only hit?) is a pun on your secret identity. You're not exactly all that slick yourself, so stop acting like Usagi is some kind of disgrace for having a fun personality.
- I hate the way the show split-screened multiple transformations/attacks. Good concept, but in reality it just looked very cheap and awkward.
- In hindsight, Mamoru's dreams/visions were a dead giveaway that when she finally properly appeared, Princess Serenity would be cheaply dressed.
- That Mamoru/Zoisite moment was pretty epic.

Act 12

- Santa Usagi!
- Really Minako? You're going to throw away your jacket because you got some paint on it? How entitled and wasteful are you!?
- How stupid are Minako's fans? Did they really not see Usagi put on Minako's jacket and hat? Also, I feel like some of her fans were, well, a little old to be her fans...
- I want cake
- So... Rei and Ami chased Youma!Manager around from like mid-afternoon until dark? They need to do some training, stat. Defeating a monster should not be an all day affair.
- Goof alert! Sailor V's Crescent Cutter changes position between shots. (First it faces to the right, then it suddenly faces left in the close-up)
- CGI Artemis looks so weird.
 
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^ Reading your & others' posts on the PGSM episodes always gives me the good old feel of such posts back in the days when the show was still airing. :)
I love reading Memento's post too! ::love:: They do make plenty of good observations. :happy: :happy:
 

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Before we get into it, a few things: I'm really glad that I decided to keep this up. I've been having a hard time lately with my health and I was contemplating just pausing this or letting someone else take over -- in fact I as considering another hiatus from this board, not because of anything happening here but rather because of unrelated things keeping me busy -- but then I saw this:

^ Reading your & others' posts on the PGSM episodes always gives me the good old feel of such posts back in the days when the show was still airing. :)
It made me remember that so many of us here love PGSM and that it's worth continuing this re-watch. I will pay attention to my health and try to be mindful in other ways.

To quickly respond to some other points:

- Honestly, it would make so much more sense if the "Sailor V" persona were just something Minako made up (for whatever reason) and the costume were an actual, regular costume she had to physically put on instead of magically transform into. It would resolve the weird discrepancy that that form creates. Too bad the show retcons this idea in the next episode.
- Also, good job keeping your costume in a bag that doesn't even have a lock on it. What if your assistant had opened it to make sure nothing inside it had been damaged?
Yeah, I was surprised when she took the costume out of the bag -- but then in episode 12, Sailor V is just a disguise version of her regular Sailor Venus form? I think? They kept it vague but that was the idea I was left with. And considering how idols in Japan are basically managed full-time by their agencies, I'm surprised Minako has enough privacy to keep that Sailor V costume a secret.

- Why is the show keeping Artemis's appearance a mystery? There's no point in keeping him a secret from the audience...

Typical J-drama way of keeping up a sense of mystery, I suppose. But is Artemis even in the opening sequence?? If not, I could see how they would want to keep him a surprise for the audience members who might've been new to Sailor Moon (younger kids, I guess). Even though Artemis was present in the opening sequence back in the days of the DiC dub, I remember being pleasantly surprised when he finally showed up and was revealed to be male, so maybe they wanted to go for something like that? Who knows. xD

- I love Minako's manager...even if he seems borderline insane.
The obvious queer coding (done in a slightly negative way) kinda bugs me, but it's a Japanese show from more than a decade ago so I give it a pass for him.

- Minako is obnoxious AF regarding Usagi. Like, girl: your biggest hit (only hit?) is a pun on your secret identity. You're not exactly all that slick yourself, so stop acting like Usagi is some kind of disgrace for having a fun personality.
I don't think she's acting like Usagi is a disgrace...she's just taken back or surprised that the princess is a normal, fun-loving girl who likes pop stars. But I do love your sass here, Memento. xD

- Really Minako? You're going to throw away your jacket because you got some paint on it? How entitled and wasteful are you!?
Right??? Especially because wet paint could probably come off if they could quickly run it under some water, and then it would be much easier to repair/clean the jacket afterwards.

- How stupid are Minako's fans? Did they really not see Usagi put on Minako's jacket and hat? Also, I feel like some of her fans were, well, a little old to be her fans...
They all looked to be the correct age range to me -- especially the "older" fans. Lmfao XD XD I feel like this is way more common than it should be, but hey, I'm a 28 year-old dude who loves Sailor Moon, I can't argue.

That cake really did look good.

Okay...moving on to episodes 13 and 14! The show is moving into some interesting new directions. :)




We just spent two episodes focusing on Minako and the reveal that Sailor V/enus is the "princess" (we all know better than that though, lol) -- and now the show is completely ignoring all of that to focus on more of the Sailor Moon mythology. I think this actually works really well. The show's year-long run and focus on only one arc is really working in its favor -- it allows us to do something like spend two episodes with Minako and then shift to a completely different narrative. In Act 13, Usagi and Mamoru meet the mysterious and amnesiac Shin while searching for Motoki's lost turtle.

This episode is probably the first time I ever truly "liked" Usagi and Mamoru together on-screen -- and I think I mean in the entirety of Sailor Moon (except maybe the manga...but this might include the manga too). When they're going around town and shopping for random things to jog Shin's memory, it really made me pay attention to their chemistry. At the beach, Mamoru tells Usagi that Shin might not get his memories back, and she snaps at him and asks why he's bullying her -- but he then explains that he just doesn't want her to get depressed if it doesn't work. Mamoru's mature, realistic approach nicely offsets Usagi's eager idealism and it just makes me think that their dynamic in PGSM seems quite believable.

When I saw Shin/Kunzite in the preview from last episode, I initially was like, "UGH no, not this asshole again, whyyyyy" but then I realized that I quite like Shin, and his dilemma is an interesting one. Kunzite is a real threat and I like him a lot more than PGSM's versions of Zoisite (who is so detached from Beryl and the Dark Kingdom it makes me wonder why he's even bothering) and Nephrite (who's just an annoying kiss-ass) -- the show didn't give us enough of Jadeite for me to have a strong opinion on him. But yeah, Kunzite was a welcome addition to the cast, but there's just something in his actor's face that I don't like. Maybe that's intentional on the actor's part, though.

That werewolf monster suit though...that was painful to look at, lmao. And we see it again in Act 14!

Speaking of Act 14...I love watching how Japanese people/Asians in general celebrate New Year's as that's one of my favorite holidays. It was nice seeing the main girls in kimonos, even though I wish they could've had Minako there (not that it would've worked at this point in the story, but just the idea alone is nice). It was cool to see how everyone handles the situation in different ways. Rei goes off to handle it spiritually, while Makoto physically looks for Kunzite to fight him. We don't see too much of their adventures in this episode, though -- it's dedicated to Ami, who nurtures Usagi back to health (or tries to, anyway).

This episode just...it really blew me away. It seems like it's setting up so much! Mercury has always been a fan-favorite in Japan, and it really shows -- the upcoming issues between Ami and Usagi's friends are foreshadowed here, as is everything with Dark Mercury. That water/ice sword was STUNNING and I completely forgot about it! I last saw PGSM maybe 10 years ago so I thought that Mercury only gets a sword when she turns evil -- I was stunned and surprised, in a good way, that she first uses her sword in this episode. It was just so great to see Ami stand up for herself, do what needed to be done for Usagi, and handle everything in such a great way. I also just love how the Inners in PGSM really connect to their elements, like we see Ami do in this episode.

(We also see Ami's aquarium in the scenes where Usagi is resting at her place. This, combined with the many lovely shots of Mamoru and Usagi in town from the previous episode, really make me want to point out that the way PGSM frames things is always thoughtful and interesting. I'm not sure how else to verbalize it -- maybe someone else can help me out?)

And her fight against Kunzite was BRUTAL! Okay, maybe "brutal" isn't the right word -- but there was no ballet-fu to be found here. Mercury was rolling around the ground, mud and dirt on her face...she was really getting into it, and she was serious. Actually, scratch that -- I believe there was some ballet-fu when Mars and Jupiter showed up. But hey. That's fine lol.

In general, the whole idea of these two episodes is "normal people becoming monsters" -- even though he was just a prison or forced disguise for Kunzite, Shin was struggling with the possibility that he had a monster within him. Later on, Kunzite turns a random civilian into a monster and later attempts to do the same with Sailor Moon (which is also kind of foreshadowing if you know anything about Princess Sailor Moon). Even though the weird werewolf suit was just laughable, I thought it was an interesting premise and it's one that speaks to the various different types of monsters from Sailor Moon's first story arc -- in the 90s anime, anyway.

What do you guys think about Kunzite? Is he a jerk or is he actually a formidable opponent? Also, any thoughts of Mamoru and Usagi's development so far? That's always a sensitive topic in the Sailor Moon fandom -- I feel like here in PGSM, their budding friendship/relationship actually feels organic and "real" and I really appreciate it. Finally -- thoughts on Ami? The show is clearly picking her out as a potential "favorite" and it's not hard to see why.
 

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Act 13

- I'm sorry but...HOW do you lose a TURTLE? It's not like they can run. You are a bad, bad, bad pet parent, Motoki.
(Also, do you think Motoki has two tanks for Kamekichi - one at Crown and one at his home - or does he just take that tank back and forth with him?)
- And how did Kamekichi make it from Crown to Shin's house? That is one lucky, speedy turtle...
- I do love how this show gaves us a look, however briefly, at at least one of the Four Commanders' lives as regular modern humans before being awakened as Dark Kingdom henchmen. If only we could have seen Jadeite's, Nephrite's, and Zoisite's modern day, pre-DK lives too.
- That slapstick scene at the temple xD
- (But I'm not totally sure why Usagi wanted Rei to come to Shin's house? I guess she thought Rei could psychically read Shin's lost memories or something?)
- I agree Usagi. Everything in Japan is hella overpriced.
- Our first character image song! (But Here We Go >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over Rainbow Tour)
- Like John said, this episode really gives you a sense of how great the chemistry between Usagi and Mamoru (not just Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask) is. PGSM is still, in my opinion, the only version of Sailor Moon that naturally and believably built up their relationship. Elsewhere they go from lowkey antagonists to soulmates in the blink of an eye just because they learn in their past lives they were in love. In PGSM, they have such a great arc of developing feelings for each other as just as Usagi and Mamoru, not as Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask or as Serenity and Endymion, and I love that so much.
- Hair skeezes me out so much, so I will forever be grossed out by Kunzite's hair attack thing. Also, this subplot (of his enchanting~ that random schoolgirl and turning her into a monster) reminds me of the Mugen Academy students turning into Daimones in the manga/Crystal. I wonder if that was the inspiration of that's just a coincidence?
- That brief heart-to-heart moment between Shin and Mamoru was really nice. I wish we could have gotten more scenes like that between them and between Mamoru and the other Commanders.
- That scene with Mamoru and Usagi towards the end is so weird... So, like... Mamoru is in Shin's house, watching as this cyclone of black rose petals fills the room while Shin lies on the floor in pain, and then...senses? that Usagi's outside and just gets up and walks out to awkwardly tell her that Shin's a-okay in a lifeless monotone? Like, he speaks to her with the same dead-inside intonation the characters on this show always use when they're possessed, so I was fully expecting him to be possessed and attack her the first time I saw this episode. It's just...such a weird moment. I don't understand what they were going for at all.
- Such a dramatic ending!
- Sidenote, but... I wonder why they gave Kunzite and Zoisite such radically different looks from the manga/anime? Jadeite and Nephrite still have basically their standard look/color scheme, but then they gave Zoisite Kunzite's white color scheme and gave Kunzite a look that is maybe vaguely inspired by the brown uniforms the non-Dark Kingdom version of the Four Commanders wear in the manga?
 
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PGSM is still, in my opinion, the only version of Sailor Moon that naturally and believably built up their relationship. In PGSM, they have such a great arc of developing feelings for each other as just as Usagi and Mamoru
I can agree with this statement! I love how Usagi's relationship with Mamoru is well developed in this iteration!
 

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- That scene with Mamoru and Usagi towards the end is so weird... So, like... Mamoru is in Shin's house, watching as this cyclone of black rose petals fills the room while Shin lies on the floor in pain, and then...senses? that Usagi's outside and just gets up and walks out to awkwardly tell her that Shin's a-okay in a lifeless monotone? Like, he speaks to her with the same dead-inside intonation the characters on this show always use when they're possessed, so I was fully expecting him to be possessed and attack her the first time I saw this episode. It's just...such a weird moment. I don't understand what they were going for at all.
I feel like this must have been an editing mistake. Or maybe just a horrible brain fart on the writer's part. Because you're right -- it doesn't make any sense at all.

- Sidenote, but... I wonder why they gave Kunzite and Zoisite such radically different looks from the manga/anime? Jadeite and Nephrite still have basically their standard look/color scheme, but then they gave Zoisite Kunzite's white color scheme and gave Kunzite a look that is maybe vaguely inspired by the brown uniforms the non-Dark Kingdom version of the Four Commanders wear in the manga?
Do you think Nephrite really looks the same? I'm not seeing it. I mean I guess I can see the basic inspiration, but he's still a far cry from the close resemblance bared by Jadeite. But that said...yeah, I'm not sure how they determined that Zoisite and Kunzite would get the biggest overhauls.
 

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I don't think he looks the same exactly, just that he still has the same image color and doesn't feel as radically different to me as Zoisite and Kunzite do.
 

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Do you think Nephrite really looks the same? I'm not seeing it. I mean I guess I can see the basic inspiration, but he's still a far cry from the close resemblance bared by Jadeite.
I think even Jadeite has also got a very different feel in his character design from his anime counterpart, even tho his physical appearance isn't as literally different as the other three's, but still he's got the youngest look of the four & gives the most immature feel, like a kiddy boy. XD
 
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I think even Jadeite has also got a very different feel in his character design from his anime counterpart, even tho his physical appearance isn't as literally different as the other three's, but still he's got the youngest look of the four & gives the most immature feel, like a kiddy boy. XD
I love precious PGSm Jadeite.
 

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Something a bit different this week! We're still gonna move at 2 episodes per week, so this week the thread is moving on to covering Acts 15 and 16 -- but I've been having the busiest weekend (and week in general) of my life, so I've only had time to watch episode 15 today. I'll try to do 16 tomorrow. Either way, the weekly pace should be unaffected. :)

Time for me to go over Act 15!



I think I'll be adopting a list format for this episode. It seems to work really well for other members and I feel like this particular episode lends itself well to such a format.

-That's Minako's house at the beginning of the episode! She's saying good-night to someone -- maybe her parents? I wish we could see more of her personal life in PGSM.

-Queen Beryl's line about how she doesn't intend on staying in such a crappy place as where the Dark Kingdom is sealed cracked me up for some reason. It reminded me of the slightly sassy Beryl from the DiC dub.

-Hmmm, Minako was burglarized and Sailor V, who would've normally shown up, was nowhere to be seen. I can't believe nobody was able to put two and two together about this, lmao.

-Naru is kind of being awful to Ami, but at the same time, I can't say I blame her. From Naru's perspective, Ami's presence in Usagi's life is threatening to take Usagi away from her. The show is starting to become less subtle about this issue, but it's doing so in an organic, natural way. I'm into it.

-On the other hand, the whole thing about Naru setting up a date for Usagi and Mamoru kinda rubbed me the wrong way. I hate it when friends think they know what's going on and take action, only to make something worse. Granted, we know this is the best thing that could happen to these two characters, but from a real-life perspective, I find it annoying when people think they know best and do something to influence a situation when they really have no knowledge of it in the first place. Their intentions are good and I appreciate that, but it's kind of presumptuous. How do you guys feel about this scenario, either as it's depicted in PGSM or a real life alternative?

-The thieves look like typical Japanese thugs and their behavior comes across as comedic. I found this to be refreshing. I was expecting something serious so I'm glad we got bumbling thieves instead of super-serious yakuza types.

-The scene I picked for the screencap above really made my night. I thought it was just hilarious. XD Their reactions say everything about what Usagi basically just let slip.

-In fact, I really enjoy that Usagi and Mamoru get more time to develop as friends/comrades in this episode while busting the jewelry thievery. They work well together and they actually have chemistry! Of course, Mamoru got that phone call earlier in the episode...we all know where this is going. But for now, I'm really enjoying the Usa/Mamo dynamic as it's depicted in PGSM. Have these episodes made any of you guys change your minds about their relationship across all of Sailor Moon's many adaptations? Or were you always fine with the pairing?

-Holy crap, Mamoru, where'd you get those smoke-spraying things?? XD Maybe from his thieving days as Tuxedo Mask? Either way, I feel like those should be hard to get a hold of in Japan.

-I admit, when Sailor Moon was "saved" from the monster's sword slash...I thought it would be Tuxedo Mask. I *LOVE* that she saved herself with the Moon Stick though! What a great way to play with the audience's expectations. If this were the 90s anime, it would've been Tuxedo Mask or one of the Inners etc.

-I feel like the ballet-fu was fine in this episode. Sailor Moon's battle choreography actually looked polished and somewhat realistic in that she was using her flips etc. to dodge attacks. Very nice.

-I still don't understand how Minako and Artemis used the thievery to hide. Can someone else explain what was going on? This may have been a bad translation for me (I'm using the Miss Dream subs because of the relatively higher video quality on the softsubs -- I already noticed quite a few mistakes and odd choices in this episode alone, so I wouldn't be surprised if they botched the entire thing with Minako's secret plan. Lmao. But yeah, seriously, what was that all about? How was it connected? What did it have to do with her in the first place besides the jewels being hers? Did she plan for them to get stolen? Or did she hire the guys to pretend to steal them?

-I loved the directorial choices with the Inners in the last scene. The way the camera shook when Makoto sneezed was cute, and the way we visually saw a change in the style when Rei sensed the monster's presence struck me as surreal and cool. Of course, this scene also furthered along the Ami/Usagi issue to play out in the near future. Can't wait to see all of that once again.

-And I love the Inners' outfits in that final scene, especially Rei's attire. They look so comfortable and fashionable! XD
 
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Have these episodes made any of you guys change your minds about their relationship across all of Sailor Moon's many adaptations?
Yes, I always preferred how Usagi and Mamoru's relationship was developed in PGSM. I felt that in both the 90's anime and Crystal, they had very little chemistry.


Addition# 1: I thought it was interesting that Moon Healing Escalation was Sailor Moon's first attack in PGSM!
 
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