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I know Andoh is always soooo off-model and all... Yet I still like his style a little bit but I kinda enjoy SD and chibi characters generally so that explains why. Well he really made zero effort in his last episode, truuuuue, but so did Tadano in the last R one :3 (and in her Cosmos art 
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I would take 1 Andoh over 10 Nakamura, anyday, anytime,
)I would take 1 Andoh over 10 Nakamura, anyday, anytime,
Ando's style is good for little kid anime.
Not mature, sophisticated fare such as Bishōjo Senshi Sērā Mūn.
I did like his style in earlier episodes, it works for the girls when they're really young...
I'm just not a fan of how he did eyes and chins, though it admittedly has its charm.
Why they gave him some pivotal episodes is beyond me, though. Maybe his talents in other areas made it worth it.
His episodes were always a bit jarring because the style was so different. I think if the show had consistently been drawn this way, I'd be fine with it. Thank goodness it wasn't.
Not mature, sophisticated fare such as Bishōjo Senshi Sērā Mūn.
I did like his style in earlier episodes, it works for the girls when they're really young...
I'm just not a fan of how he did eyes and chins, though it admittedly has its charm.
Why they gave him some pivotal episodes is beyond me, though. Maybe his talents in other areas made it worth it.
His episodes were always a bit jarring because the style was so different. I think if the show had consistently been drawn this way, I'd be fine with it. Thank goodness it wasn't.
"As expected she's amazing! My spiritual intuition can't rival hers! Is this really what difference in experience makes?"
"Well it would be true that I've had more experience under my belt ~" (Are we still talking about what we're supposed to be talking?!)
"You can even mind read?!!!"
"YOU said it out loud... AND with such passion!" (And we say only Haruka teases the girls...)
In the 90s anime, Michiru-sama has a distinct and unique body language, reflecting her lady-like and refine nature.
Crystermos just pissed on that
It's really interesting that they attributed a spider theme to Nehenelia.
Well, the image of a Black Widow Spider would fit perfectly to her!
See, it's not impossible to draw characters in wide shots that look good!
Beautiful Rei!
Love the perspective! Very beautiful art!
Eternal? But.... it's just a f**k*ng flashy thin stick!!! 
....each to their own....I guess....
....each to their own....I guess....
I find that bulky, orange arrow ugly and from certain angles it looks more like a rocket. So yeah, to each their own. The condescension on here is mindblowing sometimes.
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I don't think she was being condescending; just genuinely perplexed, as was I. Because you initially said that the '90s one was "generic" and "plain" when it's the Eternal one that's like that. The '90s one has a unique, identifiable design to it, even if it's one you're not fond of, whereas the Eternal one doesn't.
None of the 2 are actually correct though.
In the Eternal version, she grabs the arc then is shown to not even be holding it afterwards.
The arrow itself is very simple looking and doesn't even have fletching it would seem like, Rei is holding just the tip!
In Eternal, I'm not seeing anything more than the 90s version about the steps of actually firing an arrow.
In the Eternal version, she grabs the arc then is shown to not even be holding it afterwards.
The arrow itself is very simple looking and doesn't even have fletching it would seem like, Rei is holding just the tip!
In Eternal, I'm not seeing anything more than the 90s version about the steps of actually firing an arrow.
True, I can see that I probably didn't choose the best descriptors. I simply don't find the 90's arrow to be as representative of archery/kyudo as Eternal, and I find it lacks a certain spiritedness. Like I said, sometimes it has a weird rocket/torpedo-esque shape to it depending on the angle.
Sure, Eternal is just a "stick", but the tassels remind me of Rei's temple and her miko duties. I like how the arrow charges up cause it feels like it's coming to life. I feel like there's a little more to study here than the 90's arrow, but since it's Crysternmos it gets overlooked.
1. The fletching part of the arrow is pretty clear. If you're referring to the arrow before and after the attack, then yes, but I was referring to the stock footage.
2. She's not holding the bow in the 90s anime either? Did I miss something? Why would that be a critique of Eternal and not the 90s?
3. I never claimed Eternal had better steps on how to actually fire an arrow. She follows the same movement patterns in both. I'm just saying that it has more realistic aspects than the 90's version (again, the bowstring, shooting an actual arrow, the "fletching"). Again, as an archer I appreciate those small details more. I don't expect others to. That also doesn't mean I want it to be 100% true to archery/kyudo. It's an anime.
4. I don't understand the inclusion of Saint Seiya. This was a comparison between 90s and Eternal. It adds nothing to the discussion and if we want to get into proper archery form in anime, all 3 of these examples would fail miserably.
Sure, Eternal is just a "stick", but the tassels remind me of Rei's temple and her miko duties. I like how the arrow charges up cause it feels like it's coming to life. I feel like there's a little more to study here than the 90's arrow, but since it's Crysternmos it gets overlooked.
None of the 2 are actually correct though.
In the Eternal version, she grabs the arc then is shown to not even be holding it afterwards.
The arrow itself is very simple looking and doesn't even have fletching it would seem like, Rei is holding just the tip!
In Eternal, I'm not seeing anything more than the 90s version about the steps of actually firing an arrow.
In the Eternal version, she grabs the arc then is shown to not even be holding it afterwards.
The arrow itself is very simple looking and doesn't even have fletching it would seem like, Rei is holding just the tip!
In Eternal, I'm not seeing anything more than the 90s version about the steps of actually firing an arrow.
2. She's not holding the bow in the 90s anime either? Did I miss something? Why would that be a critique of Eternal and not the 90s?
3. I never claimed Eternal had better steps on how to actually fire an arrow. She follows the same movement patterns in both. I'm just saying that it has more realistic aspects than the 90's version (again, the bowstring, shooting an actual arrow, the "fletching"). Again, as an archer I appreciate those small details more. I don't expect others to. That also doesn't mean I want it to be 100% true to archery/kyudo. It's an anime.
4. I don't understand the inclusion of Saint Seiya. This was a comparison between 90s and Eternal. It adds nothing to the discussion and if we want to get into proper archery form in anime, all 3 of these examples would fail miserably.
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In the stock, she's holding the tip of the arrow (which looks like a normal piece of stick) - essentially there's no fletching for her to hold on to and it simply generates flames.
It would have been different if the tip of her fingers stretched and drew the arrow and amidst the flames, the fletching appeared and she held on to it.
At least in the 90s anime, she is not shown holding it and not holding just after.
You're saying that you find the 90s anime inferior because she doesn't have a string attached to the bow and the arrow is plain looking.
Yet, the very things you find the Eternal version better, making it more realistic are by definition implying it's a better way to show how to fire an arrow.
Hence why the comparison with the Saint Seiya shot - the bow is extended, the arrow is positioned, the bow is stretched and aim is taken which none of the 90s nor Eternal version actually have.
It would have been different if the tip of her fingers stretched and drew the arrow and amidst the flames, the fletching appeared and she held on to it.
At least in the 90s anime, she is not shown holding it and not holding just after.
You're saying that you find the 90s anime inferior because she doesn't have a string attached to the bow and the arrow is plain looking.
Yet, the very things you find the Eternal version better, making it more realistic are by definition implying it's a better way to show how to fire an arrow.
Hence why the comparison with the Saint Seiya shot - the bow is extended, the arrow is positioned, the bow is stretched and aim is taken which none of the 90s nor Eternal version actually have.
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You are conflating equipment and form.
The "equipment" present in Eternal (bowstring, fletching, "plain" arrow) gives a slice of realism within the fantasy over the 90s, which I prefer. Her actual steps of shooting would be another thing. Yes, I did mention her elbow positioning is more accurate in Eternal, but again, that doesn't mean that I need her to have 100% accurate archery form or actually shoot the arrow better.
With the Saint Seiya example, it's almost like you're saying "well, if you like it to be realistic then throw the baby with the bathwater away cause it's not as realistic as this." You're bringing in a whole other anime when I'm just talking Mars Flame Sniper.
In a thread about underappreciated, overlooked details, I simply wanted to make note of what I like about Eternal Mars Flame Sniper over the original. I don't think we will see eye to eye on this, and that's fine.
The "equipment" present in Eternal (bowstring, fletching, "plain" arrow) gives a slice of realism within the fantasy over the 90s, which I prefer. Her actual steps of shooting would be another thing. Yes, I did mention her elbow positioning is more accurate in Eternal, but again, that doesn't mean that I need her to have 100% accurate archery form or actually shoot the arrow better.
With the Saint Seiya example, it's almost like you're saying "well, if you like it to be realistic then throw the baby with the bathwater away cause it's not as realistic as this." You're bringing in a whole other anime when I'm just talking Mars Flame Sniper.
In a thread about underappreciated, overlooked details, I simply wanted to make note of what I like about Eternal Mars Flame Sniper over the original. I don't think we will see eye to eye on this, and that's fine.
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The thing that you're missing here is that it's not supposed to be rooted in 'realism'.
If you want an anime about archery, it's Tsurune.
Despite supposedly the Flame Sniper taking origin from Rei's very obscure manga-exclusive archery skills, in the 90s anime it's meant as a fantasy take on firing a fire-imbued arrow.
It's not supposed to be realistic, it's supposed to be about the aesthetics - that's literally the whole stock footage, Rei looking badass with an arrow.
In the whole sequence of the 90s Fire Sniper, true to it's name, Rei takes more inspiration from as handling it as a sniper gun rather than a bow and arrow from the way she crouches, takes aim and moves the arrow.
The Eternal version, in turn, tries to copy part of it and I'll admit, it looks visually more appetizing at first, but in essence there's much less character acting going on than during the 90s version.
Sorry but a realistic bow and arrow doesn't sell it for me, it makes it dull.
What I'll commend though is the addition of a talisman tied to the arrow which if the sequence was a completely original one with perhaps focusing on the spiritual aspect of the bow and arrow, it could have been a really cool sequence.
If you want an anime about archery, it's Tsurune.
Despite supposedly the Flame Sniper taking origin from Rei's very obscure manga-exclusive archery skills, in the 90s anime it's meant as a fantasy take on firing a fire-imbued arrow.
It's not supposed to be realistic, it's supposed to be about the aesthetics - that's literally the whole stock footage, Rei looking badass with an arrow.
In the whole sequence of the 90s Fire Sniper, true to it's name, Rei takes more inspiration from as handling it as a sniper gun rather than a bow and arrow from the way she crouches, takes aim and moves the arrow.
The Eternal version, in turn, tries to copy part of it and I'll admit, it looks visually more appetizing at first, but in essence there's much less character acting going on than during the 90s version.
Sorry but a realistic bow and arrow doesn't sell it for me, it makes it dull.
What I'll commend though is the addition of a talisman tied to the arrow which if the sequence was a completely original one with perhaps focusing on the spiritual aspect of the bow and arrow, it could have been a really cool sequence.
Beautiful expressions!
Notice the animation error on the bust of Usagi which is missing
: Shoot! Have you forgotten our duty?! Didn't we take the oath to protect the Princess no matter what may happen to us?!
: Usagi...!
"Even if I die, you'll remain! You'll still be left to protect the Princess! So shoot!"
"I can't keep uselessly remain fickle like this! I've got to protect her! On the honor of Sailor Mars, the Warrior of Fire!"
Oh my! Look! The 90s anime doing again what the manga tried to do in Mars' 'development' in Dreams and effortless surpassing it
"Mars!... Flame..."
"Oh! You're going to shoot her? You're going to shoot down your sister in arms?"
An amazing shot! Love her index finger pointing forwards!
"I'm ready, give me all you've got!" (Uh... Are we still talking about what we're still supposed to be talking?"
"The heck?! They didn't say there was gonna be a reverse play!"
"SNIPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Oh sheet!! I'm the one who got penetrated, uh I mean shot!!!!!!! Noooooo!!!"
