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Some of those frames remind me a lot of newbie kid artists trying to do fanart. Full of anatomical errors, poor sense of perspective, lack of symmetry between eyes, etc etc.
Also trying to correct the awful frames from S1 is actually a lot of fun. I sometimes can’t believe someone actually drew some of these frames.. like how can you look at the first and submit it to anyone with dignity? I get they must’ve been rushed but even so..
Also trying to correct the awful frames from S1 is actually a lot of fun. I sometimes can’t believe someone actually drew some of these frames.. like how can you look at the first and submit it to anyone with dignity? I get they must’ve been rushed but even so..
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Because everything in the 90s anime makes so much sense. I am not against pointing the flaws to the manga, but please do not act as if the 90s show is some amazingly written masterpiece where there is no suspension of disbelieve and everything makes sense, when it is certainly not the case. We got it - you hate the manga, why can't you focus your time and posts on something more meaningful - like talk about what you like about the franchise - the 90s anime ( I presume).
I’ll probably make a new thread like I did for Eternal. And you know I’m pretty honest about what I think, I wont sugarcoat things like some fans seem to do 
I might be back in the UK on vacation when part 2 comes out so that may be late.. BUT I think after Part 1 we’ll definitely know what to expect, anyways.
I might be back in the UK on vacation when part 2 comes out so that may be late.. BUT I think after Part 1 we’ll definitely know what to expect, anyways.
I hope you have a great time during the movie
Sure!!!!!! It stimulates the imagination, that's something I won't deny.
The reboot is a flat interpretation of the manga because the directors don't allow you to use your imagination to fill in the blanks. But the panels are there, in colour. 
I mean, the manga has a lot of white backgrounds, no environments, but often nice light situations/shadows that suggest a certain atmosphere. The 90s anime was quite creative when it was about settings, locations and atmospheres. The reboot gave us mostly the most obvious, generic interpretations of the manga panels.
This is where you're wrong: I absolutely don't hate the manga. I have all japanese releases (so far), all Takeuchi's artbook (including infinity).
You know it's possible to like something but still be critical about it right ?
Indeed my tastes are more towards the OG anime (+ Crystal S3) but I can totally see what its weak points are and what people don't like in this version.
But for years we heard that the manga was the superior version, with more complex scenario, deeper characters and ethereal atmosphere... It's just interesting to see, now that it has been very faithfully translated into anime with Crystermos, that all the weaknesses become very visible. It should never have been adapted this way but since it's PrINCEss NaOko hime's wish, here we are...
Yes and maybe you will hear NaOkO sama's whispering at your ears all the missing story parts that she wasn't able to write because of her CRAZY schedule and all manga business people who were so mean with her
You know it's possible to like something but still be critical about it right ?
Indeed my tastes are more towards the OG anime (+ Crystal S3) but I can totally see what its weak points are and what people don't like in this version.
But for years we heard that the manga was the superior version, with more complex scenario, deeper characters and ethereal atmosphere... It's just interesting to see, now that it has been very faithfully translated into anime with Crystermos, that all the weaknesses become very visible. It should never have been adapted this way but since it's PrINCEss NaOko hime's wish, here we are...
Yes and maybe you will hear NaOkO sama's whispering at your ears all the missing story parts that she wasn't able to write because of her CRAZY schedule and all manga business people who were so mean with her
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Also trying to correct the awful frames from S1 is actually a lot of fun. I sometimes can’t believe someone actually drew some of these frames.. like how can you look at the first and submit it to anyone with dignity? I get they must’ve been rushed but even so..
This is where you're wrong: I absolutely don't hate the manga. I have all japanese releases (so far), all Takeuchi's artbook (including infinity).
You know it's possible to like something but still be critical about it right ?
Indeed my tastes are more towards the OG anime (+ Crystal S3) but I can totally see what its weak points are and what people don't like in this version.
But for years we heard that the manga was the superior version, with more complex scenario, deeper characters and ethereal atmosphere... It's just interesting to see, now that it has been very faithfully translated into anime with Crystermos, that all the weaknesses become very visible. It should never have been adapted this way but since it's PrINCEss NaOko hime's wish, here we are...
Yes and maybe you will hear NaOkO sama's whispering at your hear all the missing story parts that she wasn't able to write because of her CRAZY schedule and all manga business people who were so mean with her
You know it's possible to like something but still be critical about it right ?
Indeed my tastes are more towards the OG anime (+ Crystal S3) but I can totally see what its weak points are and what people don't like in this version.
But for years we heard that the manga was the superior version, with more complex scenario, deeper characters and ethereal atmosphere... It's just interesting to see, now that it has been very faithfully translated into anime with Crystermos, that all the weaknesses become very visible. It should never have been adapted this way but since it's PrINCEss NaOko hime's wish, here we are...
Yes and maybe you will hear NaOkO sama's whispering at your hear all the missing story parts that she wasn't able to write because of her CRAZY schedule and all manga business people who were so mean with her
How could it be more faithful ? At this point most of the shots are copy or adaptation of manga panels, dialogues are mostly the same, including some that sounds absolutely bad when spoken and should have been changed. Sure they changed some minor parts like Beryl's death, shitenno... removed some lines here and there. But that doesn't change the whole picture at all.
It's a serious question: how could it be more faithful to the initial material ?
(same question with people wanting a new version of Kaguya's Lover: what's the point ? The S movie is pretty much the same, they didn't change that much and that seemed quite faithful to the manga spirit)
I understand what you mean by saying "world building" but this seems a strong word from this series (manga or anime btw), the whole Sailormoon lore remains very shallow. She throws us lot of concepts that will never be explained, characters that we will never see again, and concepts that she will leave on the side of the road with no explanations. And she does this till the last chapter of the manga.
That's the main problem: the manga is ONLY a skeleton. it's not enough by itself and should have never been translated to anime form this way without some very big corrections. There was surely a way to find a balance between the OG anime which is sooooo far from the manga, and this whole reboot which is a colored copy of the manga.
It's a serious question: how could it be more faithful to the initial material ?
(same question with people wanting a new version of Kaguya's Lover: what's the point ? The S movie is pretty much the same, they didn't change that much and that seemed quite faithful to the manga spirit)
I understand what you mean by saying "world building" but this seems a strong word from this series (manga or anime btw), the whole Sailormoon lore remains very shallow. She throws us lot of concepts that will never be explained, characters that we will never see again, and concepts that she will leave on the side of the road with no explanations. And she does this till the last chapter of the manga.
That's the main problem: the manga is ONLY a skeleton. it's not enough by itself and should have never been translated to anime form this way without some very big corrections. There was surely a way to find a balance between the OG anime which is sooooo far from the manga, and this whole reboot which is a colored copy of the manga.
Don't you already have a specific thread to spew your misogynistic comments about the author of Sailor Moon? God, I'm so bored of reading the same old song.
At least this time you were wittier and didn't bring out the Porsche.
At least this time you were wittier and didn't bring out the Porsche.
Misogynistic...... homophobic, transphobic, racist, hater, xenophobic, toxic, whatever-word-phobic........... I don't know which word is my favourite.
I wouldn't call the '90s anime writing bad at all. The worst I can say about the '90s anime writing is that is repetitive but that's how it was created to be I suppose in a way to sell toys. The '90s anime actually improved the story of the manga and certain aspects which were. A good example of this is how popular and memorable the '90s anime is to a lot people.
Anyways, so I saw the Pluto and Saturn trailer and I thought it was okay. Didn't see anything really new but I guess that's expected since they won't be lasting long. I just wish that, and I know it was a little bit too late to be making a request, that this would have been a series so that we could have seen a little bit more throughout the story. I feel like that even though the stars arc is more akin to a film, it would have benefited from maybe 12 episodes where we could actually make everything not seem so rushed, and allow breathing room for the inners and outers to make themselves useful before Galaxia gets rid of them.
Even so, I'm still excited to see what they have in store for us for part one and part 2 of these movies. I'm especially curious about part two as well. I'm wondering what they changed from the manga even if it's a tiny change.
Anyways, so I saw the Pluto and Saturn trailer and I thought it was okay. Didn't see anything really new but I guess that's expected since they won't be lasting long. I just wish that, and I know it was a little bit too late to be making a request, that this would have been a series so that we could have seen a little bit more throughout the story. I feel like that even though the stars arc is more akin to a film, it would have benefited from maybe 12 episodes where we could actually make everything not seem so rushed, and allow breathing room for the inners and outers to make themselves useful before Galaxia gets rid of them.
Even so, I'm still excited to see what they have in store for us for part one and part 2 of these movies. I'm especially curious about part two as well. I'm wondering what they changed from the manga even if it's a tiny change.
I am confused…
Is Eternal Sailor Moon’s brooch the same brooch from the 90’s anime?
Is Eternal Sailor Moon’s brooch the same brooch from the 90’s anime?
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The first two arcs in Crystal also used the actual planetary sigils for the Inners, but starting in the Infinity arc (I think? Maybe it was just the Eternal films) they switched back to the 90s style of having hearts instead of circles.
I guess they might be trying to incorporate more elements from the 90s anime, which they’ve really been doing all along in small ways like many of the attacks and transformations being close redraws (but often lacking the sharp movements from the 90s anime).
I was watching parts of the Eternal films tonight (en Castellano/“Español de España”) and it made me excited for the Cosmos films. I expect the same general quality as the Eternal films and I’m at peace with that. I just hope Netflix announces they secured the rights soon. Or that someone does. I’m really excited to hear more from this version of Galaxia, and I really like the Stars arc in the manga so of course I’m looking forward to seeing it animated.
And overall, I’m looking forward to the Crystal reboot ending. I accepted it being a more-or-less direct manga adaptation back when it first started airing, but I would have liked to see more polish and consistency overall, and a little bit more of a cinematic reimagining for the Eternal films. The Crystal era has been a rough decade (give or take) to be in the Sailor Moon fandom no matter what your feelings are on Crystal and the manga, and I hope in the future the fandom can just chill out a bit like we tend to do when the franchise goes into stasis. Not just referring to this forum but the online fan community as a whole.
I hope the next thing Takeuchi does with the franchise, if anything at all, is another tokusatsu attempt. PGSM was just so great for so many reasons, and if we can get a quasi-original story or something that has all of the Senshi in it from the start in a slightly updated PGSM style, that would be really fascinating.
I guess they might be trying to incorporate more elements from the 90s anime, which they’ve really been doing all along in small ways like many of the attacks and transformations being close redraws (but often lacking the sharp movements from the 90s anime).
I was watching parts of the Eternal films tonight (en Castellano/“Español de España”) and it made me excited for the Cosmos films. I expect the same general quality as the Eternal films and I’m at peace with that. I just hope Netflix announces they secured the rights soon. Or that someone does. I’m really excited to hear more from this version of Galaxia, and I really like the Stars arc in the manga so of course I’m looking forward to seeing it animated.
And overall, I’m looking forward to the Crystal reboot ending. I accepted it being a more-or-less direct manga adaptation back when it first started airing, but I would have liked to see more polish and consistency overall, and a little bit more of a cinematic reimagining for the Eternal films. The Crystal era has been a rough decade (give or take) to be in the Sailor Moon fandom no matter what your feelings are on Crystal and the manga, and I hope in the future the fandom can just chill out a bit like we tend to do when the franchise goes into stasis. Not just referring to this forum but the online fan community as a whole.
I hope the next thing Takeuchi does with the franchise, if anything at all, is another tokusatsu attempt. PGSM was just so great for so many reasons, and if we can get a quasi-original story or something that has all of the Senshi in it from the start in a slightly updated PGSM style, that would be really fascinating.
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