Sailor Moon Cosmos announced for Summer 2023 [SPOILERS ALERT]

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What I like in Takahashi’s designs is that his poses and lines are very dynamic, there is movement, lineart is bold, curves are strong. It’s very much mike HeartCatch Precure.

Tadano is sure pretty but characters seem to be just standing with flat bloody and no real expression. I really miss curves from hips or chest that Itoh introduced to the series (because Tadano never drew them very « sexy » or adult, this trend started from S).
Didn't Tadano state in an interview that men have an awkward way of drawing female characters? She said something like that but I don't remember which interview it was.

I kinda forgot most of what she said but I think she mentioned something about male animators always drawing female characters to always be sexy and she liked to draw them simple. I can't remember really how she worded it but I remember an interview about it.
 

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Didn't Tadano state in an interview that men have an awkward way of drawing female characters? She said something like that but I don't remember which interview it was.

I kinda forgot most of what she said but I think she mentioned something about male animators always drawing female characters to always be sexy and she liked to draw them simple. I can't remember really how she worded it but I remember an interview about it.
Well in the 90s her character design was more dynamic without being too sexy.

About the runtime: as always, it really depends on the screenplay and pacing. 120 minutes can be boring af and 60 minutes incredibly dense and entertaining.

i think we anyway should consider it as one movie with a runtime of 2,5 hours.
 

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Didn't Tadano state in an interview that men have an awkward way of drawing female characters? She said something like that but I don't remember which interview it was.

I kinda forgot most of what she said but I think she mentioned something about male animators always drawing female characters to always be sexy and she liked to draw them simple. I can't remember really how she worded it but I remember an interview about it.
The Animage one on Tuxedo Unmasked?
 
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The Animage one on Tuxedo Unmasked?
I can't even remember where it was from. I just remember her saying something about it. I don't even know if it was recently but I think it was during Eternal but I could be wrong I just remember someone posting it.

Maybe she'll speak on it again when they create the :chibiusa: spinoff series...*wink-wink* :booze:

At first I didn't really like S3 designs. I like them a little better at times and sometimes I hate them. I really like the Moon Spiral Heart Attack on S3 and stuff.

She was a part of the R movie which had a great style but I also remember it being pointed out she worked on the final episodes of the R series vs Doom Phantom which had some iffy scenes..lol

I like the way she does her eyes though. They are really nice colors.
 
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I’m happy that Moonlight Densetsu is finally being acknowledged and used for the reboot. Also, are we still gonna get any announcements on Usagi’s birthday this year? Also, I wish Luna was the one to make the last comments about Sailor Moon in the manga instead of Tuxedo Mask.
 
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What matters to me here is a dynamic design that feels alive. Tadano‘s bodies are stiff and boring.
I agree. Never liked Eternal's MOE-ish designs and body proportions. That's why I prefer the mess that is Eternal Part 2 with all the inconsistencies.

Last 2 episodes of Season 3 inconsistency had some really amazing frames.

So I'm at least expecting Part 2 of Cosmos to be inconsistent in terms of design.
 
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It's not bad - It's not good either. It's super basic.
While the expressions are rehashed over and over (Usagi and Ami have the same expression on page 3), there's no perspective thrown in, the camera/panel composition is always very close to the character, there's literally no work on the background (here it's one of the rare occasions, Takeuchi actually draws something like the game consoles), the last panels of the 4th page are LITERALLY SCRIBBLES and so on and so on.
Okay I see what you’re talking about now, do you mean the panel with Motoki on the first page and there’s literally no background drawn behind him? And the last few panels panels you’re talking about are when all the Juban residents get brainwashed and start causing havoc? Yeah it’s definitely not great, those zombified civilian scenes really should’ve been drawn more in-depth and been more drawn out for the reader to be able to feel the impact. It’s also really tough to see exactly where or what they’re doing, are they smashing some sort of store window? Probably, but again this is the sort of scene that really needed to be more detailed rather than just what looks to be hastily scribbled in, this is what I meant when I say the manga’s flaws have always been pacing and paneling.

That still doesn’t make the art in the other pages bad though.


I haven't read Sailor V, I have no idea what you are talking about
Okay not to be rude, but then why the f*ck are you commenting on something you haven’t even read like it’s fact or something?! Saying like you’re so certain Minako isn’t a memorable character in Sailor V… Um, maybe try reading it first?!?!

And I’m not just being sarcastic here I do sincerely mean that. No, Minako isn’t just iconic in Sailor V because of the “curse” (And it’s not even an actual, literal curse but you’ll see what I mean once you finish it) but because she’s brimming with personality and is such a fun and zany character. (Who does have hidden depths and is multifaceted that you’ll see once you get to the end) Really the overall tone of Sailor V is completely different from the SM manga proper and is more like the 90’s anime in this respect, if you’re more of a fan of the 90’s anime then I think you’ll really enjoy Sailor V, it only gets Manga SM serious at the very end.

P.S.: That whole wacky 90’s anime Minako we all know and love from S onwards? The one some people complain about that she did a total 108 from her more “serious” (really just wooden) portrayal in Classic and R and just became “Usagi 2.0?” Yeah, that’s because more Sailor V chapters were finally releasing and Toei were basing her personality off of that - that episode in S where she’s trying to prove she has a Pure Heart and starts donating blood is basically ripped off from a chapter in the Sailor V manga.

(Also sorry if I had jumped to conclusions and automatically assumed you had read Sailor V too, I figured since we’re all hardcore SM fans here everyone’s read at least the manga and Sailor V - Sailor V technically is part of the manga it just became it’s prequel)


In R, while being over Alan, she still struggles to admit the reality that she has to find someone new.
In S, all of this culminates to the point that even though she's the so-called Goddess of Love, her love life is non-existent and a failure in her eyes, causing her to doubt her self-worth and capabilities as a Senshi and worrying about her personal life and future.
It's only in her two-timing SuperS episode's end that she finally gets a resolve to her character arc as she discusses with Artemis and he offers her a fresh perspective over her life.
As she acquires maturity and wisdom after exploring her own trauma, Artemis helps her to understand that life is all about trials and failures and it's OK.
She ends the episode by saying she'll lead her life by her pace, one step at a time till the day comes when she finally finds her special someone.
She ends the series by getting over the trauma of rejection and loneliness her broken heart caused her.
Wait…—— You… You actually thought all those Minako spotlight episodes were meant to be connected and form an “arc” of sorts for Minako…?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!



Newsflash: They’re not, the 90’s anime doesn’t have that sort of sense of strong continuity (god do I wish it did), each season is generally meant to be seen as disconnected from the previous one and a soft reboot, this means all the characters also get reset in development somehow and the lessons they learned in their spotlight episodes before just completely go by the wayside or why else do you think none of the other Inners had an “arc” through their focus episodes and Mako for instance is still desperately pining away after Senpai even though she already learned her lesson that she should try to move on from him like a season ago?
 
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No, Minako isn’t just iconic in Sailor V because of the “curse” (And it’s not even an actual, literal curse but you’ll see what I mean once you finish it) but because she’s brimming with personality and is such a fun and zany character. (Who does have hidden depths and is multifaceted that you’ll see once you get to the end) Really the overall tone of Sailor V is completely different from the SM manga proper and is more like the 90’s anime in this respect, if you’re more of a fan of the 90’s anime then I think you’ll really enjoy Sailor V, it only gets Manga SM serious at the very end.

P.S.: That whole wacky 90’s anime Minako we all know and love from S onwards? The one some people complain about that she did a total 108 from her more “serious” (really just wooden) portrayal in Classic and R and just became “Usagi 2.0?” Yeah, that’s because more Sailor V chapters were finally releasing and Toei were basing her personality off of that - that episode in S where she’s trying to prove she has a Pure Heart and starts donating blood is basically ripped off from a chapter in the Sailor V manga.
I actually thought the Sailor V manga has a much better pace, overall, than the Sailor Moon manga. SM manga was written with pressure from Toei for Naoko to pump out new characters and settings (many of which Toei didn't use) and I think that has a lot to do with how her arcs seem rushed and underdeveloped, and how similar their structure is (first part - villain of the week gets killed each chapter, plot thickens. second part - sailor moon and others go out and spend half the arc building up to the final fight).

The Sailor V manga, however, was pretty much written at its own pace. The main storyline unfolded slowly from chapter to chapter, there was no abrupt moment halfway in which Sailor V did nothing but go through her final fight. Most of it was very wacky and funny - funny like the 90s anime, and there was a sense of comfort and lightness that I don't think the SM manga has. I think this is also true for the short stories, for the same reasons.

I totally understand if no studio wants to do an anime of it because it's not necessarily successful by itself, although I think that it being a sister series to Sailor Moon, which is successful (you're tripping if you think it's niche, come on. niche/forgotten series don't get Jimmy Choo collections inspired by them) could be a good argument for it. And, if it has the right designs (by Tadano?), budget, quality control and direction, it could be a very cool shoujo/josei 90s retro-aesthetic funny and dramatic anime, maybe even better than crystal season III. Especially because it won't be a remake of a previous anime, so people at least won't have any excuse to complain by comparing it to "the 90s one".

And the story is all there, finished, waiting to be adapted. Different from a new story involving Chibi Moon (which would also be cool, but I'd find it harder to happen, realistically.)
 
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I actually thought the Sailor V manga has a much better pace, overall, than the Sailor Moon manga. SM manga was written with pressure from Toei for Naoko to pump out new characters and settings (many of which Toei didn't use) and I think that has a lot to do with how her arcs seem rushed and underdeveloped, and how similar their structure is (first part - villain of the week gets killed each chapter, plot thickens. second part - sailor moon and others go out and spend half the arc building up to the final fight).
It is! Though to be honest the end when things start getting serious still feels a bit rushed due to Naoko cramming all the plot at the very backend, but tbh I feel that’s just a side-effect of her manga being short in general and her not being willing to go over a certain amount of chapters.

All of the other villains aside from Ace are still flat and one-note though but I excuse this somewhat due to V’s more comedic tone.
 
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Really the overall tone of Sailor V is completely different from the SM manga proper and is more like the 90’s anime in this respect, if you’re more of a fan of the 90’s anime then I think you’ll really enjoy Sailor V, it only gets Manga SM serious at the very end.
You answered your question yourself.
If Sailor V is so different from Sailor Moon aka Sailor Moon Crystermos why should we adapt it when the Crystal adaptation is itself a mess struggling to find it's identity?
Sailor Moon is no more as popular or iconic in the minds of Japanese people anymore.
A lot of people don't even know that Sailor V exists. Moreover it's way too short to make a series of it.
The best they could have done was include it in during the Dark Kingdom arc to flesh out Minako's character.
What do you think Toei is gonna bank more money in - an unpopular spin-off of Sailor Moon or an another re-imagination of it?
Short spin-offs generally don't get anime adaptations.

Wait…—— You… You actually thought all those Minako spotlight episodes were meant to be connected and form an “arc” of sorts for Minako…?
Sometimes people should just go an rewatch the series and not binge-watch it and claim they know all about it.
There's no arc per se BUT the characters DO have a trajectory they're been set on and on which they follow through for the 1st 4 seasons.
It's not my fault if you failed to notice these tiny details.
 
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Sometimes people should just go an rewatch the series and not binge-watch it and claim they know all about it.
There's no arc per se BUT the characters DO have a trajectory they're been set on and on which they follow through for the 1st 4 seasons.
It's not my fault if you failed to notice these tiny details.
That would imply the 90’s anime had a strong sense of continuity which we know it doesn’t and couldn’t because this was a show specifically made to sell toys to kids so they had to make it in a way in which every new season was easy for a new audience of kids to jump into without any prior knowledge.

It’s not Pokémon anime levels of loose continuity, but it’s not a linear story either the way anime and manga franchises that aren’t toyetic are.
 
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That would imply the 90’s anime had a strong sense of continuity which we know it doesn’t and couldn’t because this is a show specifically made to sell toys to kids so they had to make it in a way in which every new season was easy for a new audience of kids to jump into without any prior knowledge.

It’s not Pokémon anime levels of loose continuity, but it’s not a linear story either the way anime and manga franchises that aren’t toyetic are.
You do realize the 90s anime was written by professionals?
Especially, an anime production that was planned to go for another year, yet could be terminated at any moment because of declining ratings?
So yes, when it came to the ending, they may have had to change things but at the start they had to decide and outline what they wanted to do with the characters.

And for ALL the people complaining about the Inners during the 90s anime, what were you expecting them to do?
Imagine original story arcs so that Miss.Takeuchi would go on to complain on the preface of her manga how the vile anime staff were murdering her characters?

Do you mean that because it was meant to sell toys, it was a mindless disjointed mess?
Does not having a perfect, strong continuity means zero, impossible continuity?
I must say for a show meant to be easily assimilated by kids, they were dropping some very mature messages and character interactions in there.

You do realize that's not how writing works, do you?
Nobody - no matter how good of a writer they are - are able to plan and decide perfectly what they are going to do with their characters.
Same thing for traditional mangas - they are written as the serialization goes on, especially when it comes to new story arcs.

Animes such as Yu-Gi-Oh! GX/5D's/Zexal were all meant to sell merchandising AND over the course of the production had several internal problems within the staff and story beats and character arcs were dropped or shuffled - yet story elements play into the following arcs albeit not in a perfect manner.

That's all the wonder of good, competent writing.
 
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You do realize the 90s anime was written by professionals
Do you mean that because it was meant to sell toys, it was a mindless disjointed mess?
I must say for a show meant to be easily assimilated by kids, they were dropping some very mature messages and character interactions in there.
The 90’s anime was as good as it was for a toyetic series compared to it’s spiritual successor Precure because it had that talent on it. The IP would be in much better hands today if Sato and Ikuhara also owned it and not just Toei and Naoko, hell I wish Toei/Naoko would someday sell the rights to whichever studio Ikuhara is working at now.


And for ALL the people complaining about the Inners during the 90s anime, what were you expecting them to do?
I love the Inners in the 90’s anime (well maybe except for Minako in Classic and early R outside of her backstory episode) they’re certainly better and more memorable characters then their manga counterparts thanks to their increased screentime and focus, that doesn’t change the fact that I don’t think any of them really “develop” as characters except maybe Ami (she starts out as this super withdrawn serious girl who only cares about studying but by Stars she’s learned to let loose and gets just as goofy as the other girls while allowing herself to care about more regular teenage things). They’re good characters because of their characterization but they don’t grow or change in any significant ways either, they’re largely static characters (in fact I think most of our redeemed villains have more actual character development than them) and yes that’s directly tied to the episodic and disjointed format the 90’s anime had to be in. I’ve no doubt Sato and Ikuhara could’ve given them stellar development if they were allowed to, alas their hands were tied by Corporate and there was only so much creative control they were allowed. (Hence Ikuhara getting fed up and leaving Toei in the end).

For what it’s worth, it’s not like the Manga Inners besides Minako (that is if you’ve read Sailor V) also develop as characters. They’re also very static so it’s not like the manga is better off in this regard, actually it’s worse because not only do they not really grow and change as characters but we don’t even get to see much of their actual characterization in action either since they don’t get much screentime, because again, Naoko sucks at pacing and panel allotment, refuses to make her manga longer, and this is the Usagi and Chibi-Usa show. In that respect the 90’s anime Inners are better than the manga’s because at least they actually get screentime and ample characterization.

Neither is good at actual character development though, for that you’ll have to watch PGSM if you’re looking for actual long-involved arcs for the Inners where they grow as characters.


That's all the wonder of good, competent writing.
Which of course the 90’s anime had and what’s made Sailor Moon as iconic of a franchise as it is but that doesn’t change the fact that those excellent writers and directors still had their hands tied by the Toei and Bandai Suits and so were confined to a specific format that doesn’t take good writing into account.


Does not having a perfect, strong continuity means zero, impossible continuity?
Like I said, it’s not Pokémon anime levels of disjointedness, but it’s also definitely not linear enough for it to be allowed to have well-realized character arcs through spotlight/filler episodes.

Or maybe it does, maybe you’re right and I should rewatch those Minako episodes to see what I might have missed. She definitely felt like an afterthought in Classic and early R overall though.

It’s not just me who noticed this either, those who don’t have some sort of aversion to “Minako being Usagi 2.0” (actually it’s the exact opposite lol) like YuYuYuichiro and the Sailor Business podcast also noticed this on their rewatches.
 
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Like I said, it’s not Pokémon anime levels of disjointedness, but it’s also definitely not linear enough for it to be allowed to have well-realized character arcs through spotlight/filler episodes.
The thing is that the Inners DO get a character... in Classic that is.
Ami develops to grow out of her shell, learns how it feels to have friends and in her last episode entertains the thought of even dating.
Rei probably has the best arc as she grows from being frustrated all the time of Usagi to acknowledging her worth, moves on from Mamoru and gives Usagi her blessing and starts to develop feelings for Yuuichiro.
Makoto as she flip flops from having crushes over random guys who look like her senpai-sama, finally understands she has to move on but nonetheless accepts she likes to have crushes on random guys.
Minako finally deals with Katarina & Alan and likewise gives Katarina her blessings and decides to move on.

Granted all of their character arc (which are closed by their final Classic episodes) involve their love-life/guys mainly but Sailor Moon was a shoujo with an all-girls team afterall.
The problem after that is that Takeuchi gives the anime staff NOTHING to work with on the following 4 arcs.
Now that their arcs are over what can they do? So the anime staff, rather than creating something new and risking plot-holes or inconsistencies, prefers to explore and develop the character routes they initiated in Classic.
Ami faces criticism, self-doubt and loneliness throughout the series.
Rei explores her feelings towards Yuuichiro and her desire to be a 'madonna' by being a career woman.
Makoto (unfortunately suffers the most of having fewer episodes) explores the alleys of finding someone who could accept her as the woman she is.

I think it's a trend in modern anime/manga. At least they have a nose.
I like the nose! :P
I like her lips too, it gives Usagi a nice profile, is quite old-school looking and she shows her forehead too, which gives a sign of maturity to her.
Not a fan of those origami-paper like hands though.
But my main concern is what is Mamoru looking at? The floor?
This shot would have been stronger if he was looking towards her instead of daydreaming into the void.