Sailor Moon Cosmos announced for Summer 2023 [SPOILERS ALERT]

[Talentless Fool]

Also I know I’ve said it before but ENOUGH with all these still frames/3 frame animation segments.

I’ve only just scratched the surface, too. Seriously, there are so many. Kon really tried to squeeze that hexagonal sparkle filter dry, didn’t she? I don’t mind when they’re used sparingly but they literally already cut the run time down from a 13 episode series to a 70 minutes. There’s absolutely no excuse for them to be overusing cheap tricks to cut corners like this. Not only is it lazy but it’s also just creatively bankrupt. If I wanted still frames the manga is right there.

Unfortunately it looks like this problem is also gonna plague Cosmos but I hope to not quite the same degree as Eternal because it was just overkill.

Whoever introduced Kon to the Hexagon Crystal paint tool (which also plagues the Outers' Henshins) needs to be Therapy Kissed into oblivion.

There's so much stuff they could have done even by keeping these scenes as still frames - switch to art nouveau style, at one time use a traditional watercolor color on paper style, at another use a crayon/oil paint style to add more depth and personality to the scenes, change into a Shikishi board style (like the Tadano's Sailor Girls X Winx Club flower dress line-up)...
But everyone was fed up of Sailor Moon by Eternal...

 

[danilushk]

technically :nerdyglasses:
each ep ~23 mins long - OP&ED - recap&what's in next ep= actual episode is around 18 mins
18x11( since kanzenban's stars is 11 chapters long)=198 mins in total
let's take a word that both movies are 90 minutes so 180 mins - credits roll(they were 4mins long in earch eternal movie) = 172 mins in total
198-172=26 mins
so basically cosmos only one and quarter short in time for movies compared to actual episode format if we take as each act=1 ep

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

technically :nerdyglasses:
each ep ~23 mins long - OP&ED - recap&what's in next ep= actual episode is around 18 mins
18x11( since kanzenban's stars is 11 chapters long)=198 mins in total
let's take a word that both movies are 90 minutes so 180 mins - credits roll(they were 4mins long in earch eternal movie) = 172 mins in total
198-180=18 mins
so basically cosmos only one episode short in time for movies compared to actual episode format if we take as each act=1 ep

Shouldn't it be 198 - 172?

 

[danilushk]

Shouldn't it be 198 - 172?

oops yeah lol
never math on empty stomach
fixed*

 

[sailormoongalaxy]

Movies aren't 80 minutes? Because Eternal, is 2*80.

 

[Jawshx]

technically :nerdyglasses:
each ep ~23 mins long - OP&ED - recap&what's in next ep= actual episode is around 18 mins
18x11( since kanzenban's stars is 11 chapters long)=198 mins in total
let's take a word that both movies are 90 minutes so 180 mins - credits roll(they were 4mins long in earch eternal movie) = 172 mins in total
198-172=26 mins
so basically cosmos only one and quarter short in time for movies compared to actual episode format if we take as each act=1 ep

Even so, most TV anime are typically 12-13 episodes long. You’re still looking at around 50 minutes/ 1 hour of extra runtime. It’s no secret having extra run-time for Infinity helped a lot with the pacing and overall quality of the product whether you like the artistic direction or not.

Also one big factor people forget is that S3 had individual episode directors whereas Eternal was all Kon. Some of the best episodes of S3 were helmed by industry veterans which also probably explains the drop in storyboarding quality in Eternal. I’m not saying Kon is bad, per say. She seemed to have her sh** together more than the previous director and she definitely managed to rally a good team together for S3..but going from a team effort to helming the whole thing by yourself can’t be easy. I think she was probably stressed and out of her depth for Eternal and the pandemic interrupting things probably didn’t help, either. That probably goes a long way to explaining the rather boring copy/paste job we got and probably answers the question of why she declined to come back for Cosmos.

 

[Crystal Moon]

Why every director of Crystal kind of has PTSD after taking the project?

 

[Jawshx]

Whoever introduced Kon to the Hexagon Crystal paint tool (which also plagues the Outers' Henshins) needs to be Therapy Kissed into oblivion.

There's so much stuff they could have done even by keeping these scenes as still frames - switch to art nouveau style, at one time use a traditional watercolor color on paper style, at another use a crayon/oil paint style to add more depth and personality to the scenes, change into a Shikishi board style (like the Tadano's Sailor Girls X Winx Club flower dress line-up)...
But everyone was fed up of Sailor Moon by Eternal...

For real.

The OG Sailor Moon had to cut corners because they were limited to Toei’s restrictions of 2000 frames of animation per episode (I’m guessing cels and ink were pricey) so they they didn’t really have a choice BUT to use stills in place of movement. But even when their hand was forced they still put in the extra effort to make said stills look ‘effing gorgeous and convey the atmosphere perfectly, probably even better than they would’ve done had it been fully animated.

I’m not even saying Eternal/Cosmos needs to make illustrations of this caliber to look pretty but their stills are literally just an average frame of animation with some annoying filter plastered all over it. Where is the creativity? They could easily use Naoko for inspiration here and make the stills ultra pretty with the detailed hair that is difficult to animate under normal circumstances. Maybe use a ‘faux’ digital watercolor to give it a more traditional feel. Literally so many options.

 

[SignorinaTsukino]

Movies aren't 80 minutes? Because Eternal, is 2*80.

Yes it is confirmed Cosmos part 1 will be 80 minutes(like Eternal) so probably part 2 will be the same. Yikes there will be a lot of cuts I am afraid..

 

[Crystal Moon]

Yes it is confirmed Cosmos part 1 will be 80 minutes(like Eternal) so probably part 2 will be the same. Yikes there will be a lot of cuts I am afraid..

Sometimes, the cut is necessary. SME movies are short, but they didn't use the time wisely either. Too much time for talking and shouting "Prince! Princess!". Lazy camera angles.... I can tell "they didn't want to think about, draw, or animate" SME.

 

[Talentless Fool]

For real.

The OG Sailor Moon had to cut corners because they were limited to Toei’s restrictions of 2000 frames of animation per episode (I’m guessing cels and ink were pricey) so they they didn’t really have a choice BUT to use stills in place of movement. But even when their hand was forced they still put in the extra effort to make said stills look ‘effing gorgeous and convey the atmosphere perfectly, probably even better than they would’ve done had it been fully animated.

I’m not even saying Eternal/Cosmos needs to make illustrations of this caliber to look pretty but their stills are literally just an average frame of animation with some annoying filter plastered all over it. Where is the creativity? They could easily use Naoko for inspiration here and make the stills ultra pretty with the detailed hair that is difficult to animate under normal circumstances. Maybe use a ‘faux’ digital watercolor to give it a more traditional feel. Literally so many options.

I remember in 2019 when I went to the MAPPA exhibition and in the Banana Fish corner, they had displayed the original illustration of the 2nd ending hand-painted on watercolor.
It had this very real, tea-brown colored, worn 80s old photo vibe to it (which was the intended feel).
And here with Eternal, they couldn't even put a harmony cell-style shot

 

[Jawshx]

As much as I think Sidney Deng should stop correcting others staff members work if he wants to keep working in the industry (as a fan, go all out, but as a member of the team.. girl, stop.) I begrudgingly admit that this is definitely what the character design for Cosmos SHOULD be.

https://twitter.com/statuses/1634335346988314624

 

[sapphire91]

As much as I think Sidney Deng should stop correcting others staff members work if he wants to keep working in the industry (as a fan, go all out, but as a member of the team.. girl, stop.) I begrudgingly admit that this is definitely what the character design for Cosmos SHOULD be.

https://twitter.com/statuses/1634335346988314624

I agree, eyes aside. Somehow Tadano's eyes are unbeatable.

 

[Crystal Moon]

As much as I think Sidney Deng should stop correcting others staff members work if he wants to keep working in the industry (as a fan, go all out, but as a member of the team.. girl, stop.) I begrudgingly admit that this is definitely what the character design for Cosmos SHOULD be.

https://twitter.com/statuses/1634335346988314624

Yeah, he fixed the "sausage" arms and legs. We can see more curves here.

 

[Shinjik]

Love Yuu Yoshiyama. She’s a fellow Sailor Moon stan and also a brilliant animator. Just a shame her work on the reboot doesn’t really have the same shine as on Precure due to the lack of frames (we know who to blame for that, lol)

Anyway, some one one Twitter are saying we are getting THREE transformations. The last being a redux of the one seen in Eternal. It’s very surprising that we are getting so many transformations for Moon, even though a quick one would do. Would be nice if they could’ve used some of the man power for all these Chibi Chibi, Chibi Usa and Moon henshins to create new ones for the Inners or Outers instead. Oh well

The third transformation is a copy from the Eternal.

 

[Star Angel Haruki]

Is he allowed to make this statement when he's working for SMCosmos?

https://twitter.com/statuses/1659751802403983360

Well, there are who do like it....what is he trying to accomplish? Is this a "I can do much better than them" kind of thing..?

I think he’s definitely talented, no doubt about that. But like, even if it’s just remote work that he did for Cosmos it’s still.. not very classy nor professional to be critical of others work like that, especially in Japan and especially when the movie hasn’t been released yet?! I understand if he’s a stan, but you should separate your work commitments/ personal feelings. At the very least until the movie is out, no?

Agreed. Is he a member on this site? He probably is a lurker....

 

[Star Angel Haruki]

Also, speaking of Yuu Yoshiyama, she did this,

yuu yoshiyama hugtto! precure precure animated effects hair henshin impact frames | #79500 | sakugabooru

I’d LOVE for the franchise to do some real-time henshins like this. Time-saving while moving the plot forward.

This would s what I would have liked to see for the Inners. Something a little similar.

 

[SignorinaTsukino]

Rereading the first chapters of Stars I feel like they will probably cut Asanuma's apperance(Usagi does not need to ask him Mamoru's phone number in america since they upgraded the setting and he probably has a mobile phone) and maaybe Nyanko's cover as student(something completely pointless in my opinion since it is only purpose was to confirm the Three Lights are women jn disguise). Also I feel like they will shorten a lot the girls discussing Sailor Iron Mouse's attack

 

[Lady Pen]

For real.

The OG Sailor Moon had to cut corners because they were limited to Toei’s restrictions of 2000 frames of animation per episode (I’m guessing cels and ink were pricey) so they they didn’t really have a choice BUT to use stills in place of movement. But even when their hand was forced they still put in the extra effort to make said stills look ‘effing gorgeous and convey the atmosphere perfectly, probably even better than they would’ve done had it been fully animated.

I’m not even saying Eternal/Cosmos needs to make illustrations of this caliber to look pretty but their stills are literally just an average frame of animation with some annoying filter plastered all over it. Where is the creativity? They could easily use Naoko for inspiration here and make the stills ultra pretty with the detailed hair that is difficult to animate under normal circumstances. Maybe use a ‘faux’ digital watercolor to give it a more traditional feel. Literally so many options.

You're comparing crème de la crème to fast food. Not even Naoko had this level.

I made a quick edit because your forgot our VIP. Crystal thought they had seen the last of her..

I CAN'T !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sailor_Art]

How many scenes did he take part in that project? If he did less than others, he could have time to polish it.

For the moment it seems he only did the Chibi Chibi Henshin.