Sailor Moon Cosmos announced for Summer 2023 [SPOILERS ALERT]

[Sailor_FruitPUNCH]

I've always thought this but could it be that the reason Naoko was sooo hell bent and adamant on them following the Mangas dialogue to a t for these films was because had they not, that would lead to questions which then would expose that at the time when she wrote the manga, she really didn't know what she was doing?

I don't know if that makes sense but it kind of reminds me of managers at a job, a lot of them are just figure heads and don't actually know how to do the job their managing so when their employees ask them for help, instead of admitting they haven't a clue and directing that person to the appropriate party, because they dont want to feel stupid or expose how useless they are, they'll double down and keep suggesting something they know won't work until they ultimately just start ignoring you.

I would imagine Naoko was the same way with these films. Whether or not during the time she wrote the manga, she couldn't flesh everything out or make things make sense due to Toei pressuring her to keep up or she just thought she was the s*it and didn't need to improve, I'm not sure but hasn't it already been said that one of the directors or writers had to go through someone just to ask Naoko questions about what she wrote and what it meant and even then, she hardly gave a concrete answer and it was either someone else that helped "put it together" or the person was left to connect the dots on their own.

Either way, I guess Naoko thinks it's easier and much more comfortable for her to just say "Follow the manga" a.k.a use that as a crutch or safe space vs "I'm not sure, it was so long ago, let me get back to you" or "Yes, when I wrote that, my mindset was Yada Yada and that's why Usagi did what she did, but I would love for you to emphasize this more so ppl understand what I was trying to say" lol

 

[kasumigenx]

I've always thought this but could it be that the reason Naoko was sooo hell bent and adamant on them following the Mangas dialogue to a t for these films was because had they not, that would lead to questions which then would expose that at the time when she wrote the manga, she really didn't know what she was doing?

I don't know if that makes sense but it kind of reminds me of managers at a job, a lot of them are just figure heads and don't actually know how to do the job their managing so when their employees ask them for help, instead of admitting they haven't a clue and directing that person to the appropriate party, because they dont want to feel stupid or expose how useless they are, they'll double down and keep suggesting something they know won't work until they ultimately just start ignoring you.

I would imagine Naoko was the same way with these films. Whether or not during the time she wrote the manga, she couldn't flesh everything out or make things make sense due to Toei pressuring her to keep up or she just thought she was the s*it and didn't need to improve, I'm not sure but hasn't it already been said that one of the directors or writers had to go through someone just to ask Naoko questions about what she wrote and what it meant and even then, she hardly gave a concrete answer and it was either someone else that helped "put it together" or the person was left to connect the dots on their own.

Either way, I guess Naoko thinks it's easier and much more comfortable for her to just say "Follow the manga" a.k.a use that as a crutch or safe space vs "I'm not sure, it was so long ago, let me get back to you" or "Yes, when I wrote that, my mindset was Yada Yada and that's why Usagi did what she did, but I would love for you to emphasize this more so ppl understand what I was trying to say" lol

I agree that she did not know what she was doing and was doing the majority of Stars manga when she was upset and angry that things did not go her way even though Igarashi was on her side so it affected the plot and the production of the Dream arc Tankoubons as well.

 

[Clow]

And the official overseas release of Cosmos will flop because of people resorting to pirating the Blu-Ray

I think TOEI doesn’t care about money made outside of Japan.

Because there is a big chance that people will fansub the film and that Malaysian DVDs and bootlegs will be everywhere… before there is even an announcement.

The way I see it, the only way TOEI can make a profit at this point is if the film gets a theatrical release in Latin American and European countries where everybody loves Sailor Moon.

 

[ChibiNehellenia]

In the old anime during the R movie they had a good callback (imo) to how Usagi brought them together when everyone else made them feel like nothing. Usagi was the glue that held the group together to me and they really appreciated her. She was clumsy, goofy, forgetful and all that.

Crystal does sort of make them seem kinda more "obsessed" with every breath she takes regardless of what she does. Kinda like a cult..haha or maybe how the Black Moon Sisters are obsessed with things.

This is why I so badly want a crossover between the 90s anime and Crystal. Because both sides would think the other is insane.

 

[Memelord_Yoshi]

The whole body language thing is saying since their love in unrequited, they'd probably sleep with one another (it's like a very bad hentai...)

Gosh, can they go one day and shut up about Usagi

There are times it almost looks like the 90s anime, or at least, A 90s anime. I think it has a charm to it, but these scenes kind of dragged for me.
........, but as usual, the manga and Crystal often use the 90s anime to have us fill in the blanks for the personalities of the characters.

 

[Star Angel Haruki]

I was checking out some merch for Cosmos... slightly interested in buy it.. I saw the TAMASHII NATIONS - Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon Cosmos: The Sailor Cosmos Movie figure was $110 and you can preorder it for next year August 2024. They had another one with Eternal Sailor Moon for $99.00 (due this February ) and it appears they both had over 100 sales this past month alone, according to the display.. Sailor Moon will forever be a cash cow. Keep making that bank Usagi.


Props to the collectors who have the money to get all the items as they come out.

 

[Kon]

I think TOEI doesn’t care about money made outside of Japan.

Because there is a big chance that people will fansub the film and that Malaysian DVDs and bootlegs will be everywhere… before there is even an announcement.

The way I see it, the only way TOEI can make a profit at this point is if the film gets a theatrical release in Latin American and European countries where everybody loves Sailor Moon.

The issue is where the anime gets its profits. In the past, anime studios don't care about international audience, because merchandise sales were the most important (as Bandai was one of the main investors) and the bigger merchandise buyers are Japanese people.

In the last years, anime studios have been more interested on foreign markets (especially US), because streaming services could pay a good amount of money for the exclusive international broadcast rights.

However, this is pretty dependent on how much the streaming service wants to pay. Toei would only receive the money on the deal with the streaming service regardless how many people see Cosmos movie.

 

[MikeMasters05]

The issue is where the anime gets its most income from. In the past, anime studios don't care about international audience, because merchandise sales were the most important.

No, merchandise is still where money is $$$. The reason for it to be on streaming websites is just so people get to know the property but the cash is in collaborations and merchandise, that’s where money is.

Anime is justa cheaply produced commercial for it, the proof is that most countries have received merchandise for Cosmos even though is not yet released internationally.

I found a cosmos glitter figure in my local departamental store along with some figures of line and Artemis. The release was specifically for the overseas market as it had the cosmos movie logo localized.

As long as they sell figures without even having a movie, they don’t care about us because we are already buying what is important.

 

[saintfighteraqua]

I was checking out some merch for Cosmos... slightly interested in buy it.. I saw the TAMASHII NATIONS - Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon Cosmos: The Sailor Cosmos Movie figure was $110 and you can preorder it for next year August 2024. They had another one with Eternal Sailor Moon for $99.00 (due this February ) and it appears they both had over 100 sales this past month alone, according to the display.. Sailor Moon will forever be a cash cow. Keep making that bank Usagi.


Props to the collectors who have the money to get all the items as they come out.

I already received Moon from Japan. I haven't opened her because I'm deciding where to display the massive thing.
Now I guess I'll have to buy Cosmos...I could order her from Amazon and wait until August, just so they can cancel on me as usual (Amazon collectible preorders SUCK).
So I may just pay the extra $20 and get her early from Japan.

 

[Talentless Fool]

I still don't believe there is canon romantic Reinako. I won't be surprised if Viz really butchers the translation to cater, but standing around gabbing about a mission isn't exactly romantic and the whole scene comes across as fan service at most. Their defiant posture and claiming they don't need men doesn't equal "We're best lezzies forever".

Foolish Fool!
Haven't you seen the glorious wedding ceremony where they all marry our Lord and Saviour, Lady Usagi-Makoto-no-Hime-Sama????
Repent!

Oh boy, that shot of them all in the Cauldron all in couples is so cringe...
Ami/Makoto, Rei/Minako, Haruka/Michiru/Setsuna as the threesome...
It's really like a bad 90s hentai...

In the end, Takeuchi just wanted to write Yuri but she couldn't/didn't know how to draw the smut scenes

The Seiya scene bored me.

It annoyed me.

Seiya: 'Hey Bunny, I'm the new Mamoru X Haruka - the whole package. Come, fall in love with me, I already am with you'.

At this point in time, we already know Mamoru is dead; we've seen it with our own eyes, as well as has Usagi.
And for most of the arc, she is depressed and blah, blah, blah.
Yet, here she is like back to Dark Kingdom arc Usagi?

In the 90s anime, she was mostly annoyed by Seiya and felt embarrassed only when Seiya was physically extra close to her. The other times she blushed was simply because she realized Seiya was not just the jerk she thought of initially.

Here, in less than 1 minute, we got through their whole 90s anime character development of several episodes; she is smitten, she is entranced, Seiya immediately feels close to her, she starts singing, Usagi immediately understands everything about Seiya...
Arg, I forgot how obnoxious Usa-Me is in Stars...

Either way, the people working on the film did a good job with what they were given to work with, I have no doubt had they been given more flexibility, not restrained by stock footage (a film should have had real time attacks) and not held back by nostalgia and PNP, the movie would have been even better in their hands.

The only way for this movie to work (for how bad the story and characters are) is to play on the nostalgia and Sailor Moon nostalgia = lots of stocks

That mustn't have been an easy pill to swallow for PNP.

 

[sailormoongalaxy]

My CDJapan shipment (one of many) is awaiting shipment. I ordered all the Blu-ray editions on CDJapan, is the ultimate version on Amazon as well.

 

[Crystal Moon]

 

[kasumigenx]

In the end, Takeuchi just wanted to write Yuri but she couldn't/didn't know how to draw the smut scenes

I think if she accepted being in Shonen Jump, she can do that, she can write a Yuri manga in Young Jump.

 

[Kon]

No, merchandise is still where money is $$$. The reason for it to be on streaming websites is just so people get to know the property but the cash is in collaborations and merchandise, that’s where money is.

I know the merchandise is still where the money is.

However, the amount of money that streaming services paid for the exclusive foreign licenses has been pretty big. That's why anime studios have taken risky decisions to appeal foreign audience in the last years.

That said, it's pretty likely streaming services won't want to pay so much anymore.

 

[sapphire91]

I know the merchandise is still where the money is.

However, the amount of money that streaming services paid for the exclusive foreign licenses has been pretty big. That's why anime studios have taken risky decisions to appeal foreign audience in the last years.

That said, it's pretty likely streaming services won't want to pay so much anymore.

Can you give some examples on how they tried to appeal to foreign markets? What titles come to mind and in what ways?

 

[Kon]

Can you give some examples on how they tried to appeal to foreign markets? What titles come to mind and in what ways?

Well, Knights of the Zodiac was created entirely by Toei in attempt to appeal foreign audience. There isn't even merchandise for that show, so the money comes from selling the distribution rights.

It's also weird that MAPPA decided to create Chainsaw Man without an anime production committee (where merchandise companies like Bandai are involved to invest). That means the merchandise sales wouldn't be so relevant for that anime, since MAPPA is only selling the Chainsaw Man license.

 

[Yamoon]

Well, Knights of the Zodiac was created entirely by Toei in attempt to appeal foreign audience. There isn't even merchandise for that show, so the money comes from selling the distribution rights.

hmmm what ? There is ton of merchandising for Saint Seiya (Myth Cloth/Ex Myth Cloth) distributed by Bandai internationnaly

 

[sapphire91]

Well, Knights of the Zodiac was created entirely by Toei in attempt to appeal foreign audience. There isn't even merchandise for that show, so the money comes from selling the distribution rights.

It's also weird that MAPPA decided to create Chainsaw Man without an anime production committee (where companies like Bandai are involved). That means the merchandise sales wouldn't be so relevant for that anime, since MAPPA is only selling licenses.

No, I am not at all getting into the merch discussion. I just never actually seen anime that attempts to appeal to West (which in my book is a great thing) But I also don't want as much anime as before so I might missed some tendencies.

 

[Kon]

hmmm what ? There is ton of merchandising for Saint Seiya (Myth Cloth/Ex Myth Cloth) distributed by Bandai internationnaly

I'm speaking about the CGI Knights of the Zodiac show, which was entirely created by Toei. There isn't merchandise for that show.

 

[Flame of Hikari]

They finally show the Flame Sniper attack