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First I doubt the majority of people on here are particularly interested in the dub version anyway. Second - we waited 9 years for this, they made us wait 6 months more and I think it is fair for people to decide not to oblige any longer, as if they are dubbing it now, knowing how long in advance Eternal was doing that it might premier on netflix next july as a 10th Crystal anniversary thing 
Nobody is going to wait THAT long.
Nobody is going to wait THAT long.
I mean I don’t fully disagree with you, but Toei should take a lot of blame for not communicating with fans. Like I really don’t understand the secrecy surrounding this series sometimes. A simple apologetic message that says the international release is delayed until *estimated time* would have been better than just keeping fans in the dark.
The international fans pirating the release should have been an obvious conclusion…
The international fans pirating the release should have been an obvious conclusion…
We're also not all from the United States and are not all neurotic and moralistic about piracy... Naoko and Toei ain't getting poorer because a few of us are impatient with this radio silence about two anime films that are nowhere on streaming.
It's also not fair to lump all fans who watched this leak with the nutjobs harassing the japanese fans on twitter, I sure didn't.
It's also not fair to lump all fans who watched this leak with the nutjobs harassing the japanese fans on twitter, I sure didn't.
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We have every right to be impatient. Now I myself have never insulted anyone personally. But whatever happened to the whole we want our international fans to enjoy Crystal too mindset from Toei? Back when Crystal first started the first three seasons were easily accessible and readily available with subtitles in many different languages for international fans shortly after episodes were released in Japan. Then along came the Sailor Moon Eternal movies and that mindset changed. Even though the Eternal movies did end up going to Netflix for us international fans none of us were happy about the wait. Sailor Moon is a global icon, it’s not an obscure franchise that no one has heard of. Toei and Naoko need to pay more attention the international market cause us international fans will bring them even more money. Plus, we want to see these movies too. I don’t think any of us like or want to resort to watching these movies illegally but what else can we do when we’re not being treated on the same level as the Japanese fans?
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I'm sorry but the movies are out OFFICIALLY. I already spent 22.000 Yen on mine so I'm supporting the license to the fullest ( also with all the official merchandise I buy to them as I am a collector ).
I'm not going to wait more months ( not even having any international release and no streaming confirmed ) to watch these damn movies that I had already seen most of it trough all the official trailers/spots/shorts/visual book and merchandise. It's awful getting to a movie where you have already watched most of it months before. The experience is worst everytime. If i wait longer then there's no point in watching them cause I have already seen 50% of them on social networks and official channels.
This should be a learned lesson for every company out there. I don't care about dubbings. I watch all products in their original versions with their original languages. I get that dubbing takes time and money but I'm not that public, I don't consume the dubbing version. We are not in 1992. People have internet and can read subtitles.
They could PERFECTLY had ready at least an english subbed version for this release, legally. For renting or online buying. There's no excuse for that.
It doesn't make any sense in 2023 to have to wait MONTHS to watch a product that it has already been published in one country.
It's ok to watch the movies ilegally now ( it still is a crime, of course, I don't deny the laws ) if you will support the license later by watching on streaming, getting the domestical release or adquiring official merchandise.
Of course there will always be people that will pirate everyting and wont spend a single dollar to support the license. I agree with you that this is a problem and I don't even think you can be called a fan if you never support the franchise economically. But that's another subject that would take hundreds of pages of discussion.
I'm not going to wait more months ( not even having any international release and no streaming confirmed ) to watch these damn movies that I had already seen most of it trough all the official trailers/spots/shorts/visual book and merchandise. It's awful getting to a movie where you have already watched most of it months before. The experience is worst everytime. If i wait longer then there's no point in watching them cause I have already seen 50% of them on social networks and official channels.
This should be a learned lesson for every company out there. I don't care about dubbings. I watch all products in their original versions with their original languages. I get that dubbing takes time and money but I'm not that public, I don't consume the dubbing version. We are not in 1992. People have internet and can read subtitles.
They could PERFECTLY had ready at least an english subbed version for this release, legally. For renting or online buying. There's no excuse for that.
It doesn't make any sense in 2023 to have to wait MONTHS to watch a product that it has already been published in one country.
It's ok to watch the movies ilegally now ( it still is a crime, of course, I don't deny the laws ) if you will support the license later by watching on streaming, getting the domestical release or adquiring official merchandise.
Of course there will always be people that will pirate everyting and wont spend a single dollar to support the license. I agree with you that this is a problem and I don't even think you can be called a fan if you never support the franchise economically. But that's another subject that would take hundreds of pages of discussion.
To be honest, I bought my copy of the blu ray months ago... I, unfortunately, live in Eastern Europe so my copy needs to go to the UK and then to me via second party provider which not only makes it significantly more expensive but also adds at least a couple of weeks more and as they are releasing it so close to Christmas with all the holydays on the horizon - I might end up waiting till mid January for it. As if I am waiting that long.
I am not watching the films until there is a sub where I can truly enjoy it. If one becomes available, I will absolutely watch it. We’ve waited years for this release.
That being said, I will also purchase a copy when it is available as well, or stream it on Netflix until I can purchase it. I guess I don’t see the problem for international fans trying to enjoy a property that spent 9 years releasing 5 arcs. It’s also the end of the series and it’s not like we will be getting more after this (unless they redo it in another 20 years). Shaming someone who loves Sailor Moon and wants to see it is a waste of energy.
That being said, I will also purchase a copy when it is available as well, or stream it on Netflix until I can purchase it. I guess I don’t see the problem for international fans trying to enjoy a property that spent 9 years releasing 5 arcs. It’s also the end of the series and it’s not like we will be getting more after this (unless they redo it in another 20 years). Shaming someone who loves Sailor Moon and wants to see it is a waste of energy.
I'm from Brazil 
We don't have no viz media redubbing the whole series in HD and putting it on streaming and blu-ray here, so if I didn't resort to pirating the whole series with our dub from the 90s/2000s, Sailor Moon would've just been an early childhood memory. The only official physical media we have here are the manga volumes, of which I bought all of them, side stories and Sailor V included.
We don't have no viz media redubbing the whole series in HD and putting it on streaming and blu-ray here, so if I didn't resort to pirating the whole series with our dub from the 90s/2000s, Sailor Moon would've just been an early childhood memory. The only official physical media we have here are the manga volumes, of which I bought all of them, side stories and Sailor V included.
Also at this point between the Japanese official site and the fans leaking, the entire movie is going to be spoiled for everyone. I don't blame anyone for watching the leak (a very different matter from pestering Japanese fans to leak the movie and get arrested) because I don't think people understand how much this stuff gets spread around social media. I have seen Cosmos spoilers on my Instagram, and I don't even follow any major Sailor Moon accounts.
To be honest, I watched and enjoyed the movies. At least it's a better animated product than even Otona Precure which looked worse and recycled stock footage from more than two decades ago. I'm just kind of relieved to have gotten this over with so I can eventually engage with this franchise even less because all parties have made it a miserable experience.
To be honest, I watched and enjoyed the movies. At least it's a better animated product than even Otona Precure which looked worse and recycled stock footage from more than two decades ago. I'm just kind of relieved to have gotten this over with so I can eventually engage with this franchise even less because all parties have made it a miserable experience.
I was thinking about this too. In the manga, it feels like it happens very quickly. In the movie, it was so extended that it made me think of the end of the 90s Season 1. Mars would have lit her ass up! 
If they had composed the scene for it to happen pretty quickly, then the choke hold would have made more sense.
Because of the immediacy, it also feels more cathartic, because you know others have died and you expect Mars and Venus to die, only to be relieved that they are fine, only for Galaxia to step in out of nowhere and kill them. It's brutal. This is again a problem of how one interprets the manga when adapting it to animation. If you decide the scene can take time--like they can really run to Sailor Moon, rather than them just expressing immediate relief--you risk making the scene come off as silly. Personally, I feel like composing the scene where they both turn and thank Sailor Moon and are interrupted mid-turn and mid-sentence would have conveyed the same feeling of shock in the manga.
If they had composed the scene for it to happen pretty quickly, then the choke hold would have made more sense.Because of the immediacy, it also feels more cathartic, because you know others have died and you expect Mars and Venus to die, only to be relieved that they are fine, only for Galaxia to step in out of nowhere and kill them. It's brutal. This is again a problem of how one interprets the manga when adapting it to animation. If you decide the scene can take time--like they can really run to Sailor Moon, rather than them just expressing immediate relief--you risk making the scene come off as silly. Personally, I feel like composing the scene where they both turn and thank Sailor Moon and are interrupted mid-turn and mid-sentence would have conveyed the same feeling of shock in the manga.
I will say the scene where ESM dodges Galaxia's dark orbs was very nice. I loved seeing her move around instead of having those big clunky wings disabling her from doing too much like in the 90's.
I also love how they made her appear very capable of holding her own, blocking attacks while in flight and zipping off.
Definitely a good scene, alongside Uranus suddenly slapping Venus (which I find so humorous... probably because, I'd expect Venus to hold her composure a little better... hahaha), but of course nothing can compare to when ESM jumps into the cauldron impo. I almost teared up, mostly cause this is the final arc and it may be the end for a while but it was quite touching to see and listen to the gentle music before her arm just........
Until we hopefully meet again Sailor Moon in the future... The Crystermos arc has finally come to an end.
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Agree even though Otona is also made by Deen it looks cheaply made, not to Crystal 1-2 standards but its close backgrounds look extremely generic and other than fights the rest of th animation looks stiff, motionless and sometimes off-model.
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The movies are about what I expected and are more or less on par with the rest of this reboot. Like Seira, I'm just glad to be done with this era of the franchise. Here's hoping the next era is handled with more competence, love, and creativity, and that the fandom gets even just a little less toxic.
Can we talk about Venus being the one having more screen time while literally doing NOTHING as a senshi in both movies?
She is in the fight against Iron Mouse: does nothing.
She is in the fight against Aluminum Siren: does nothing
She is in the fight against Lead Crow: does nothing.
Toei come on... She is the only inner senshi she doesnt have her regular attack in the movies. The only sequence is with her being evil.
To me it's one of the worst aspects of the movies. She has a magic chain she can use to do anything at any direction. If i was the director I would have added at least a 5 second scene where she uses against Lead Crow to save Mars. But nah, her best attack in that scene is screaming for help.
Not even that... she even gets slapped by Uranus. LOL.
She is in the fight against Iron Mouse: does nothing.
She is in the fight against Aluminum Siren: does nothing
She is in the fight against Lead Crow: does nothing.
Toei come on... She is the only inner senshi she doesnt have her regular attack in the movies. The only sequence is with her being evil.
To me it's one of the worst aspects of the movies. She has a magic chain she can use to do anything at any direction. If i was the director I would have added at least a 5 second scene where she uses against Lead Crow to save Mars. But nah, her best attack in that scene is screaming for help.
Not even that... she even gets slapped by Uranus. LOL.
Well that´s true, they sucked out the life out of the city. One of the things I loved about Yes, pretty cure 5 was the French inspired architecture and the backgrounds looked pencil made. But ironically Otona which is all about the city looks super plain, even the sky tree.
One thing about Cosmos, which I thank the director for is the change in background artists, some times they look even more detailed than the characters haha.
One thing about Cosmos, which I thank the director for is the change in background artists, some times they look even more detailed than the characters haha.
OMG!!!! You're right!!!!! how dare we watch the movies after so many years and not WORSHIP and RESPECT a super dupper amazing company that couldn't even fix the few but very notorious frames in ESM 2nd henshin for a Bluray release... Poor Toei/Naoko/PNP that holds us fans and Sailor Moon franchise in such high esteem.....................
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They also cut her Love Whip having Galaxies like beads instead of roses while being a Galactica Golem. Such a cool detail lost because of stock footage
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