Sailor Moon Cosmos announced for Summer 2023 [SPOILERS ALERT]

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I low-key wanted more Chi and Phi... Idk if anyone has ever played King of Fighters games (and I haven't in a while) but they both remind me of Mature/ Vice some.

Another thing....Sailor Chibi Chibi is really strong but Galactic Cannon...seemed to be really powerful enough to knock her way. Unless as Sailor Chibi Chibi she isn't using most of her power. The aftermath of Galactic Cannon looks like pure devastation. If Saturn can bring down entire worlds and she is combining powers with time master Pluto I wonder if Galactic Cannon is a sort of black hole attack....and in that case....really dangerous duo.

I would totally be down for more combination attacks as it reminds me of Another Story game.

I would have loved a similar sequence with the Inners like there was with Pluto and Saturn..

Like a sort of Aqua Evolution and Burning Love and Beauty Shock kind of thing.

I think instead of doing individual attacks they should have done that for fun too.
 

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I low-key wanted more Chi and Phi... Idk if anyone has ever played King of Fighters games (and I haven't in a while) but they both remind me of Mature/ Vice some.
I was thinking about them this morning, are they not the most underdeveloped characters of all Series (i mean even for the manga level). What do we know about Phi and Chi ? It seems they even self don't know what they are doing around.
 
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I've been waiting for the starlight transformation OST to come out since I saw the trailer for it. <3

The backgrounds are really nice and the animation quite smooth.
I still don't like Tadano's style in these films, plus there are errors in the animation that are frankly avoidable.
The colors make everything more alive, an upgrade compared to eternal.

The movie format doesn't give you the space needed to add depth to scenes, everything happens too quickly.

I would have preferred the animation of many attacks to be in real time, blended with the fights.

The comedy scenes aren't spot on in my opinion.

The message:
The thing that intrigued me the most throughout the 2nd Part was the message the story was trying to convey.

In her dying moments, Kakyuu prays for a time when the battle between light and dark ceases to exist and that they (Sailor Senshis) can have a peaceful life.
Lethe & Mnemosyne have a similar speech condemning their suffering onto Usagi's light and Chaos.
Similarly, for all of the Animamates, the concept of being a Senshi was what led to all of their bloodshed.
Even in Eternal, we see that the Inners & Outers have to renounce any peace because they are a Sailor Senshi.
For several times, Usagi is blamed as the source of everything because she is in possession of the Silver Crystal.

Being a Sailor Senshi is a miserable existence and everyone, except Usagi of course, has had nothing but pain and suffering in the end.
Being born as a Senshi is synonymous to a life of tragedies and loss and that is what seems to be the point of the movie.
Usagi however prefers to embrace the good while Galaxia embraces the bad.

Even Galaxia herself comments on this and laughs at the faint concept of life because Senshi will always be reborn.
They can be given birth as easily as it is to kill them so life has little importance to her.

Later on, at one point even Usagi seems to have made her peace with her destiny - there is life and death, joy and pain, light and darkness.

In the end, Usagi sacrifices herself calling on to all of the Senshi of the universe slumbering into the Cauldron as well as to her fallen comrades to lend her their strength so that she can extinct Chaos.
It's all of the Senshi that exist vs Chaos and I really like it.

Yet, after her sacrifice she is given the easy choice to return home along with all of her friends... It's just feels anticlimactic.

Furthermore, before we all thought that Cosmos was from the far, far future and thus even if Usagi gets the perfect (and selfish) ending, it's OK, the girls will eventually lead a happy and peaceful life.
But no, that's not the case, like Kakyuu, Lethe and Galaxia lamented on, in the end because of Chaos who is attracted to Usagi's light, more death and tragedies will occur.

So what was the point of everyone commenting on how the battle of light and darkness should be stopped?

I would have preferred that Usagi made a deal with the Cauldron - she destroys her Silver Crystal and shares her light to the still budding Star Seeds so that they'll too have the same strength to embrace hope as her.
With her death and sacrifice, even though Chaos will eventually be reborn, it will never become as strong and dangerous as the Silver Crystal will never exist - light and darkness are equivalent, without an infinite light there won't be an infinite darkness either.

Of course, Chibi-Usa wouldn't exist and neither would Cosmos' devastated future.

In exchange, she requests her friends are sent back home without their Sailor Crystals instead of being reincarnated as new people; everyone finally gets to have a normal life and decide of their own path in life liberated from the shackles of being a Sailor Senshi and Usagi truly becomes the messiah who saved the Galaxy, a fact known only to her few comrades.
A bittersweet ending.
Your reasoning is right and the ending you propose is intriguing.

It reminds me of how Goku decided not to come back to life after the fight against Cell because he felt he was attracting all those strong enemies.

But, even if she had sacrificed herself by sharing her gift with the other starseeds, a quantity of darkness would have been born equal to the distributed light, perhaps more evil individuals, less strong than sailor chaos, but still an army that stands up to the light.

Even Cosmos' idea of destroying cauldron... would still cause another one to be born elsewhere with the same consequences.

Maybe they could be able to find a way to coexist, after all it's still a balance and Galaxia seemed intrigued by Eternal Sailormoon's words.
The two sides do not necessarily have to clash.

I wonder how Cosmos dealt with the terrible future she returned to...

It would be nice if Naoko gave us an update on the future that awaits her.
 
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Not all. There are new dialogues, dialogues half copied from the manga. Hence why I laugh when I read the fansubs which stupidly copy the manga panel by panel, while the Japanese dub says something else at times and has nothing to do with the manga.
Uhm... can you provide examples, beside Cosmos's "mukashi no watashi" and the one about the cats? I thought it was extremely close to the manga, but my Japanese is just terrible. Thanks in advance.
 

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Uhm... can you provide examples, beside Cosmos's "mukashi no watashi" and the one about the cats? I thought it was extremely close to the manga, but my Japanese is just terrible. Thanks in advance.
There are things about the dialogues between Cosmos and the Amazons that have changed, too. Because when I listen and read the Japanese subtitles, there are things that have changed.

Sailor Cosmos is ready to lose her powers and memories by going back to the past. But in the manga, it's not said.

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Looking at the departure of Sailor Cosmos, we see her Star Seed (the cosmos seed).
He too will be rebooted by the Cauldron before returning to the future.
 

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I would have preferred that Usagi made a deal with the Cauldron - she destroys her Silver Crystal and shares her light to the still budding Star Seeds so that they'll too have the same strength to embrace hope as her.
With her death and sacrifice, even though Chaos will eventually be reborn, it will never become as strong and dangerous as the Silver Crystal will never exist - light and darkness are equivalent, without an infinite light there won't be an infinite darkness either.
Or have Usagi be given a choice to refuse to have the Cosmos Crystal and live a long life as Neo Queen Serenity but still choose to have the Cosmos Crystal like Sailor Moon was given a chance to refuse the light of hope and kill Galaxia, this was hinted to be a part of the earlier drafts of the manga/anime because Cosmos was hinted to be originally planned to appear at the same time as Kakyuu.

Another bitter-sweet ending that I would have liked is for Usagi to remain in Galaxia's Castle as Sailor Cosmos watching over her friends far away and Chibiusa takes Usagi's place similar to Madoka's ending.

There are things about the dialogues between Cosmos and the Amazons that have changed, too. Because when I listen and read the Japanese subtitles, there are things that have changed.

Sailor Cosmos is ready to lose her powers and memories by going back to the past. But in the manga, it's not said.

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Looking at the departure of Sailor Cosmos, we see her Star Seed (the cosmos seed).
He too will be rebooted by the Cauldron before returning to the future.
Cosmos is going to Usagi's actual future timeline, the changes that she made to the past will be part of her reality.

I think Sailor Moon Cosmos should have been narrated by Cosmos...that is my only complaint.
 
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There are things about the dialogues between Cosmos and the Amazons that have changed, too. Because when I listen and read the Japanese subtitles, there are things that have changed.

Sailor Cosmos is ready to lose her powers and memories by going back to the past. But in the manga, it's not said.

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Looking at the departure of Sailor Cosmos, we see her Star Seed (the cosmos seed).
He too will be rebooted by the Cauldron before returning to the future.
Nice catch, thanks!!!
 
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I would totally be down for more combination attacks as it reminds me of Another Story game.

I would have loved a similar sequence with the Inners like there was with Pluto and Saturn..

Like a sort of Aqua Evolution and Burning Love and Beauty Shock kind of thing.

I think instead of doing individual attacks they should have done that for fun too.
That would have been so cool! :wow:

Mars: Mandala Jin!
Venus: Gleaming Chaînon!
In unison: Galactica Light & Heat Devastation!

Jupiter: Crown of Devilry!
Mercury: Harp of Treachery!
Both: Galactica Despair Symphony!

Uranus + Neptune + Pluto: Ougi of Galactica's 3 Sacred Kings! Galactica Triangle Catastrophe!


But, even if she had sacrificed herself by sharing her gift with the other starseeds, a quantity of darkness would have been born equal to the distributed light, perhaps more evil individuals, less strong than sailor chaos, but still an army that stands up to the light.

Even Cosmos' idea of destroying cauldron... would still cause another one to be born elsewhere with the same consequences.

Maybe they could be able to find a way to coexist, after all it's still a balance and Galaxia seemed intrigued by Eternal Sailormoon's words.
The two sides do not necessarily have to clash.

I wonder how Cosmos dealt with the terrible future she returned to...

It would be nice if Naoko gave us an update on the future that awaits her.
Oh no, I'm all for destroying the Silver Crystal for good - it shouldn't exist.

By sharing her light, I meant not her powers but her bravery, unyielding resilience and most importantly her hope - basically what the 'Sailor Mind' I suppose is.
In their moment of darkness, she kinda becomes a messiah who lifts up the spirit of the future Senshi.
So that even if there are 'weak' Sailor Senshi like in the case of Lethe and Mnemosyne, even in adversity when all hope seems lost, they never give up and continue the fight till the very end.

It's why I really like the ending, it's just not Usagi vs Chaos but all of the Senshi that existed vs Chaos.

Because, again, in the end, nothing is resolved.

Cosmos comments that the Star Seeds are en route to their planet of origin and they shall recover their normal forms in due time.
But Lethe and Mnemosyne were already living on an impoverished planet that was in riot (not because of Chaos) before Galaxia even stepped foot there.
So, did they just return to the same planet where war was a daily occurrence?
 

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Oh no, I'm all for destroying the Silver Crystal for good - it shouldn't exist.

By sharing her light, I meant not her powers but her bravery, unyielding resilience and most importantly her hope - basically what the 'Sailor Mind' I suppose is.
In their moment of darkness, she kinda becomes a messiah who lifts up the spirit of the future Senshi.
So that even if there are 'weak' Sailor Senshi like in the case of Lethe and Mnemosyne, even in adversity when all hope seems lost, they never give up and continue the fight till the very end.
I agree that Usagi should die and Chibiusa should take her place instead of getting the Cosmos Crystal but the Cauldron Guardian refuses to give that option to her.
 
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There are things about the dialogues between Cosmos and the Amazons that have changed, too. Because when I listen and read the Japanese subtitles, there are things that have changed.

Sailor Cosmos is ready to lose her powers and memories by going back to the past. But in the manga, it's not said.

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Looking at the departure of Sailor Cosmos, we see her Star Seed (the cosmos seed).
He too will be rebooted by the Cauldron before returning to the future.
In the Portuguese subs the phrases are “ I traveled across time and space” and “I lost almost all my energy and memories in the process” I would love to know japonese like you to understand the differences :) but it will be cool to check the official subs one day if they release it here too.
 

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By sharing her light, I meant not her powers but her bravery, unyielding resilience and most importantly her hope - basically what the 'Sailor Mind' I suppose is.
In their moment of darkness, she kinda becomes a messiah who lifts up the spirit of the future Senshi.
So that even if there are 'weak' Sailor Senshi like in the case of Lethe and Mnemosyne, even in adversity when all hope seems lost, they never give up and continue the fight till the very end.

It's why I really like the ending, it's just not Usagi vs Chaos but all of the Senshi that existed vs Chaos.

Because, again, in the end, nothing is resolved.

Cosmos comments that the Star Seeds are en route to their planet of origin and they shall recover their normal forms in due time.
But Lethe and Mnemosyne were already living on an impoverished planet that was in riot (not because of Chaos) before Galaxia even stepped foot there.
So, did they just return to the same planet where war was a daily occurrence?
It would be nice as a finale!

I hope there is a better future for Lethe and Mnemosyne than the life they had even before Galaxia arrived.

If the existences present in the cauldron are born (and reborn) through guardian cosmos I think it is up to them to choose what to become (in fact guardian cosmos gives Usagi two choices and she has chosen to live the future together with her friends and the person she love, elegantly glossing over guardian cosmos' questions XD).

Plus I think the battle against Sailormoon helped them understand to get involved and try to make a difference by doing what's right and within their means.
Compared to their initial passivity regarding the warlike events on their planets, I think they can contribute to bringing peace and serenity to all their inhabitants.
I don't think they have vague memories like Usagi & company of what happened, so they can handle it. 0w0
 

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Oh, I've just realized the starlights' words as they die in the film are the same from this page from the manga. I feel like crying. Very nice touch.
This artwork makes me want SMCosmos re-edited as a series with a couple of filler aka. character development episodes.

I think it would be really cool and Toei could milk it heavily by extending and touching up the material. Imagine each Animamate getting an entire episode and some crossover appereances… oh boy, there‘s so much potential with little effort to make what‘s already there so much better.
 

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This artwork makes me want SMCosmos re-edited as a series with a couple of filler aka. character development episodes.

I think it would be really cool and Toei could milk it heavily by extending and touching up the material. Imagine each Animamate getting an entire episode and some crossover appereances… oh boy, there‘s so much potential with little effort to make what‘s already there so much better.
Do we still thrust Toei to do anything original?
 

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In the Portuguese subs the phrases are “ I traveled across time and space” and “I lost almost all my energy and memories in the process” I would love to know japonese like you to understand the differences :) but it will be cool to check the official subs one day if they release it here too.
The line of dialogue: I traveled through time at the risk of losing my strength and my memories.

Basically, by returning to the past, she would lose her strength and her memories. But actually, no. Seeing as she still had her powers intact and her memories. It's a double meaning. It was not the fact of traveling in time that was going to make him lose his powers but his actions. The reason for its presence in the past.

In the subtitle you are talking about, they made a translation error. Because the next lines in the Japanese dub, she says so that this time my past self will make the right choice.
 
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They took a lot of things out of the manga.
-> No mention of the Chaos Seed, nor Chaos Guardian..
Actually I am not against it, why mention such interesting things if you are not going to show us them?(at least Sailor Chaos appears briefly). They also created a small plot hole in part 1, in the manga Sailor Iron Mouse while approaching the Inners she tells them she knows they have Sailor Crystals and in the ensuing meeting Ami highlights her words. In Cosmos she does the same, too bad that Iron Mouse never said those words close enough for the Inners to hear them(she only mentions the Sailor Crystal in her monologue before attacking the Three Lights, very far from the Inners's ears).
 

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Yep I have that program and I have tried multiples times but I still dont know how to resincronize all of them at once... I can change every text but I don't see how to resyncronise all of them at once T_T
oh just left the shift boton on the subtitles you want to synchronize and use the down boton
or select with the mouse later in the menu where it said timing later shift time option, and put the option of do it with selected rows
the torrent of the good quality raws of the movies got deleted x.x