Sailor Moon Cosmos announced for Summer 2023 [SPOILERS ALERT]

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Reminds me of someone who posted something similar on YouTube defending everyone around the time of Act 12's premiere except they failed to spell Takeuchi correctly. :lol:
 
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Just came across this comment:

People will come up with any excuse and accept anything as long as it's Takeuchi, huh?
At least the person in question is aware of the absolute and abysmal stupidity they just spouted by forbidding anyone to reply to them.

Even Naoko-hime-sama the grand didn't stick to only one naming as both the Silver Crystal and Ginzuishou are used :P

And lol where does semiotics even come here??? Is it from Takeuchi using planetary signs?

Ah ~ Those Naoko maniacs, forever in delusion.

I'm amazed they didn't say that Naoko-chan has knowledge akin to a PhD in English, Astronomy, Astrology and Ancient Mythologies and that she could effortlessly be one of the most successful fashion designers of the world but it's out of love for us poor peasants that she continues to draw at the risk of her life an illustration here and there. :rofl:

Can you imagine if it was Toei who imposed these names for all the dubs? Everyone would be crucifying them but since it's Naoko, it gets a pass.

Maybe she's being mischievous due to boredom in her luxurious life? :googly:
Who knows?

Perhaps next she's gonna be so bored that she's gonna take that ugly wig she posed with out of her closet and release a photo book :kiss:

Perhaps even in the next year, she's gonna release her debut single, Marriage La Moon coupled with the B sides, Rendez-vous by Moonlight and Dancing Cinderella Boy :luna:
 
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Now that the manga has been adapted faithfully, it has now been laid bare for everyone to see and the general opinion is clear. Manga fans once had the advantage that Naoko’s original ...........story wasn’t readily accessible to everyone, and whether it was down to cost or just the effort of sitting down to read it, that version of the story was still hailed as the ultimate shoujo that everyone absolutely had to read. The Holy Grail. The story Toei Animation supposedly banned the public from enjoying in the '90s. The lie and the legend together elevated the manga to something untouchable, but the reboot has successfully killed off that myth. I think that’s the only good thing about it—exposing the rubbish that many readers, blinded by nostalgia, failed to spot years ago. :P

I feel this is not what the manga fans wanted. :yay:
And let’s not forget that now all their precious and holy manga had been fully adaptated in all it’s glory, manga stans absolutely don’t want any new animated project since all new ideas who wouldn’t have been produced by Hime Sama would be pure blasphemy. Should the fandom collectively massively suicide now that Her will has finished to bless this reboot ?

Just came across this comment:

People will come up with any excuse and accept anything as long as it's Takeuchi, huh?
This is a new level of delusion that I didn’t expect to see. At this point they should just have made foreign VA read the Japanese script, that would have been better.
 

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Honestly, looking at the posts on the various platforms (facebook, instagram, and even X) I find that 80% of the comments are mostly positive on both films. That's a far cry from the hyper-negative portrayal of the specialists here on this forum (and I include myself in those “specialists”!; I have a far more negative outlook on the series recently).

Surprisingly for me also, I've also read only few reviews of the non-English versions with high criticism of the shift towards English attacks etc (at least for the french and german communities).... maybe the current generation is more used to it than us older (I think the average age of the forum here is around 35-40).

Do we know if the movies are going well in the Netflix TOP10 ? Has anyone check already?
In France, still not in the top 10. We'll have to see this weekend.
 

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The lie and the legend together elevated the manga to something untouchable, but the reboot has successfully killed off that myth. I think that’s the only good thing about it—exposing the rubbish that many readers, blinded by nostalgia, failed to spot years ago.
And by extension, the new-found appreciation for the '90s anime. Truly, the only positive thing to come out of this reboot.

And let’s not forget that now all their precious and holy manga had been fully adaptated in all it’s glory, manga stans absolutely don’t want any new animated project since all new ideas who wouldn’t have been produced by Hime Sama would be pure blasphemy.
They've started to clamor for a Sailor V anime again. :roll:

 
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The lie and the legend together elevated the manga to something untouchable, but the reboot has successfully killed off that myth. I think that’s the only good thing about it—exposing the rubbish that many readers, blinded by nostalgia, failed to spot years ago. :P
Has it though? Because while I see people complaining about the dubs, I also see lots of comments gushing on how it's the adaptation they've been waiting for so long, celebrating the film is on Netflix's top ten in Mexico, yada yada yada. I've also just been told the reboot has been successful because all five arcs have been adapted and distributed internationally, and someone told me it the profis had been meagre, TOEI wouldn't have dropped the reboot before finishing the story.

Who wrote that??
Remember the Instagram you shared, in which a translator stated they were keeping the English terms because Naoko requested? Well, I shared it on a Facebook Sailor Moon Group, because people were already fuming at TOEI for "insisting on the honorifics and English words". This is one of the answers I got.

Ah ~ Those Naoko maniacs, forever in delusion.
I'm amazed they didn't say that Naoko-chan has knowledge akin to a PhD in English, Astronomy, Astrology and Ancient Mythologies and that she could effortlessly be one of the most successful fashion designers of the world but it's out of love for us poor peasants that she continues to draw at the risk of her life an illustration here and there.
I guess that's what they think, even if they're not writing it.
 
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I haven't watched the dub. Didn't subscribe to Netflix this time like I did for Eternal.

I think I've noticed most of the positive responses are from casual viewers.

I honestly have no interest in watching the English dub but I may go check out clips on YouTube.

Reading back on a few posts I can get an idea of what to expect when I take a look at it. I remember back in the day I used to enjoy watching Sailor Moon compilations where you could here the attacks and phrases in different languages.
 

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I think the manga has its shortcomings... where as the 90s Anime had improved on certain things overall in general. Such as Rei's personality/relationship with Usagi & comedic fighting. Starlights and Seiya's storyline, not just killing them off and giving them a proper ending. Overall fleshing out a storyline that lacked in the actual manga. 90s anime team killed it making an iconic magical girl series and succeeded with Sailor Moon, and making her the "IT" Magical Girl.

The *magic* from the original 90s series is no where honestly to be found in this failed reboot. Which makes it so hugely disappointing overall for as a Sailor Moon fanatic. Would love another reboot, however, I don't foresee that happening unfortunately.
 

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I think the manga has its shortcomings... where as the 90s Anime had improved on certain things overall in general. Such as Rei's personality/relationship with Usagi & comedic fighting. Starlights and Seiya's storyline, not just killing them off and giving them a proper ending. Overall fleshing out a storyline that lacked in the actual manga. 90s anime team killed it making an iconic magical girl series and succeeded with Sailor Moon, and making her the "IT" Magical Girl.

The *magic* from the original 90s series is no where honestly to be found in this failed reboot. Which makes it so hugely disappointing overall for as a Sailor Moon fanatic. Would love another reboot, however, I don't foresee that happening unfortunately.
Imagine if all this was just to fund a proper sequel or aa "real" reboot.
I think even after Crystal being underwhelming, something that takes us back to the world from the 90s anime or expands on the manga in a way that gives it the energy the 90s has would still be popular.
Then again, not sure if it would have brought the funds such a thing would need. I'm afraid besides merch sales, the whole project is going to be seen as a failure and too risky for future reboots any time soon.


And by extension, the new-found appreciation for the '90s anime. Truly, the only positive thing to come out of this reboot.
They've started to clamor for a Sailor V anime again. :roll:

 

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I remember back in the day I used to enjoy watching Sailor Moon compilations where you could here the attacks and phrases in different languages.
Guess someone has a big ideal to unite this divided world again since Babel's time by starting to use the same language. :cool:
 
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I'm so burnt out by the franchise and the way it's handled that I really couldn't care at the moment what happens. I guess the overall feeling I have is ambivalence. The reboot has been an absolute mess. ‘PNP‘ only seems interested in making Sailor Moon a luxury soft power brand through tie ins with the media as an afterthought.

I do think there are many possibilities to expand the universe but under the current circumstances it just doesn't interest me.
 

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I do think there are many possibilities to expand the universe but under the current circumstances it just doesn't interest me.
I think I've said something like this here before: while the universe IRL is expanding, the Sailor Moon one isn't. lol
 

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Ah ~ Those Naoko maniacs, forever in delusion.

I'm amazed they didn't say that Naoko-chan has knowledge akin to a PhD in English, Astronomy, Astrology and Ancient Mythologies and that she could effortlessly be one of the most successful fashion designers of the world but it's out of love for us poor peasants that she continues to draw at the risk of her life an illustration here and there. :rofl:

Can you imagine if it was Toei who imposed these names for all the dubs? Everyone would be crucifying them but since it's Naoko, it gets a pass.
I just can’t wrap my head around those people. They’re stuck on autopilot, spouting arguments straight out of the 2000s when the myth was that the manga was some legendary shoujo and Naoko was the poor victim of the manga industry, the anime studios, and international distributors who ruined her work by changing character names (including the ones Toei created).

They've started to clamor for a Sailor V anime again. :roll:


WHY DON'T YOU WORSHIP CODENAME SAILOR V?!??!?!??!?!?!?!?!



Has it though? Because while I see people complaining about the dubs, I also see lots of comments gushing on how it's the adaptation they've been waiting for so long, celebrating the film is on Netflix's top ten in Mexico, yada yada yada. I've also just been told the reboot has been successful because all five arcs have been adapted and distributed internationally, and someone told me it the profis had been meagre, TOEI wouldn't have dropped the reboot before finishing the story.
The truth is, the only real way Toei and PNP have managed to make any money from the reboot is through the licensing deals they struck with international distributors at a premium price and with Netflix in the case of Eternal and Cosmos. Plus, there was the merchandise for those two, which was limited and very VERY expensive. That’s it.

Then there’s my theory, which I’ve already mentioned here before and got branded as blasphemous for the reason they continued with Crystal, considering it was a flop from the start.

Remember the Instagram you shared, in which a translator stated they were keeping the English terms because Naoko requested? Well, I shared it on a Facebook Sailor Moon Group, because people were already fuming at TOEI for "insisting on the honorifics and English words". This is one of the answers I got.
Oh my days! What have you done? Poor Salomon. He’s probably getting hounded by those Naoko maniacs right now. :roll:

I do think there are many possibilities to expand the universe but under the current circumstances it just doesn't interest me.
As I mentioned in another post a few days ago, both the '90s anime and the manga hint that the Greek gods either exist or used to exist in the SM universe, along with Chinese/Japanese deities. It’s great material to continue the story, which could easily sideline the so-called battle between Chaos and that daft Sailor Cosmos as a silly footnote. What a waste.
 
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What a amateurishly adaptation in the end was Crystal. Disjointed from beginning to end in everything—the format, the quality, the periodicity, the manga adaptation, the design, the dubbing/translations in other countries, etc. It's incredible to see how completely off-track it is in every aspect or how amateurishly organized it was. If it had been a 'new' work and still in the process of creation, we might have forgiven a lot of things. But here, no… we are dealing with a Remake/Restory of something that existed for 20 years (and a huge licence)… incredible. Would have never happened to Dragon Ball or St Seiya…

PS : don’t get me wrong I still think the main plot was somehow always better in Crystal (end of season 2; season 3 in general so much better storytelling, eternal story plot so more complete than SuperS) but still… haha what a roller coaster ride!
I like Crystal and prefer it than the 90s anime.,but evan I can say things were mishandle.I think it should just been a tv serise evan as a close adaption at the begining or they should just stick with Ona.

I think making two arc movise was just weird choice and they should stick with tv.I think this should not take as long.At the same time I don't think Crystal is bad show or the worst adaption either.

Why I understand that some fans on from probably wanted something different.Reality speaking we were always going to get something close to manga.I guess it's because I am younger in my twentise.I have noticed the in anime.Where they just adapt the source material with not so drastic changes.There is some exceptions of the rule.Its not as common.Why would Sailor Moon be different? So something similar to the 90s anime and PGsm was just not going to happen.
 
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I'm so burnt out by the franchise and the way it's handled that I really couldn't care at the moment what happens. I guess the overall feeling I have is ambivalence. The reboot has been an absolute mess. ‘PNP‘ only seems interested in making Sailor Moon a luxury soft power brand through tie ins with the media as an afterthought.

I do think there are many possibilities to expand the universe but under the current circumstances it just doesn't interest me.
I sometimes feel a bit embarassed to be a fan of the franchise, really, and it seems the general public is more interested in the tie-ins than the media itself. Speaking from a Brazilian perspective, Cosmos has been released with very little fanfarre, no reviews by media outlets and a meagre five mentions of its premiere on Netflix (the trailers and even the tie-ins seem to have garnered more attention).

I just can’t wrap my head around those people. They’re stuck on autopilot, spouting arguments straight out of the 2000s when the myth was that the manga was some legendary shoujo and Naoko was the poor victim of the manga industry, the anime studios, and international distributors who ruined her work by changing character names (including the ones Toei created).
Maybe they've just made it part of their identity and old habits die hard, I guess. It took a really long time for the manga to be published in Brazil (we didn't have smartphones in the 00s and I never felt like reading scanlations in front of my computer), so I only got to read it in the mid 2010s, and I had already heard and read a lot on how greater, grander and richer it was. I was such a disappointment I wasn't able to finish it and only made my way through the manga shortly before the release of Eternal.


The truth is, the only real way Toei and PNP have managed to make any money from the reboot is through the licensing deals they struck with international distributors at a premium price and with Netflix in the case of Eternal and Cosmos. Plus, there was the merchandise for those two, which was limited and very VERY expensive. That’s it.

Then there’s my theory, which I’ve already mentioned here before and got branded as blasphemous for the reason they continued with Crystal, considering it was a flop from the start.
But then, I wonder if international distributors thought the deals were worth the price, or if it was something they just had to accept in order to get the full package (i.e. the 90s anime, the 90s films and, in Netflix's case for Latin America, Eternal and Cosmos).
Anyway, time to search through the forum for your theory, it seems juicy!

Oh my days! What have you done? Poor Salomon. He’s probably getting hounded by those Naoko maniacs right now. :roll:
I don't think so, it was a Brazilian group, I don't think they'll be pestering him with insults or something... or so I hope.


Why I understand that some fans on from probably wanted something different.Reality speaking we were always going to get something close to manga.
I really think being close(r) to the manga is the least of the reboot's problems. It didn't have to be a copy of the 90s anime and, as much as people keep repeating it, I doubt most of the 90s fans would reject if it had been made well. Crystal Season III was already received much more warmly than the first two seasons, and it makes a point. If only the reboot had been given a decent budget and showcased decent animation and character designs from the start, if the music wasn't so bland and if it gave even the slightest polishing to the source material instead of reproducing and zooming in on its glaring flaws (break-neck fast pace, lack of characterisation, etc.), it wouldn't have been the disaster it was.
 
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I sometimes feel a bit embarassed to be a fan of the franchise, really,






I really think being close(r) to the manga is the least of the reboot's problems. It didn't have to be a copy of the 90s anime and, as much as people keep repeating it, I doubt most of the 90s fans would reject if it had been made well. Crystal Season III was already received much more warmly than the first two seasons, and it makes a point. If only the reboot had been given a decent budget and showcased decent animation and character designs from the start, if the music wasn't so bland and if it gave even the slightest polishing to the source material instead of reproducing and zooming in on its glaring flaws (break-neck fast pace, lack of characterisation, etc.), it wouldn't have been the disaster it was.
I do agree it would been received better.If toei gave them a bigger budget.At the same time in my experience some fans here would still been pissed off.Because it is close to the manga.That is my observation .The fast paced was not going fixed being a closed adaption.They were never add filler episodes or stretched out the story.

That is just the way it is now ,but I do belive if they had a better budget and consistent team.And they were given 60 episodes at the bat.It probably been more polish.And we would not been ten years,but what happened happened.
 
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Just going to post my own opinions.

It's been 10 years since Sailor Moon Crystal and to me 10 years is both a great length and also a terrible length for a reboot of a 5 arc series but I can't be too hostile of how the series was handled since in the end Cosmos has left me satisfied.

I am a person who enjoyed Crystal when it first aired because we got something closer to Naoko's vision and I have always defended the series despite its visible flaws. Cosmos was a great watch for me and I held it off before the official release and it was worth it. I would even say its an improvement from Eternal in terms of pacing and how less "episodic" it feels even though the whole plot goes at breakneck speed and there's not much time to cool down. I do think the comedic moments really helped slow down a few things and I am happy that these sort of moments bring out the characters more, particularly Minako!

One of my favourite inclusions is Usagi returning home from the Cauldron and we got a recreation of Shingo kicking Usagi, and the door opening revealing Usagi's parents and Luna... AND LUNA TALKS!!!!!!!!!!! I am so happy we somehow got something from that and also the implications that the Sailor Starlights and possibly the Sailors that were killed by Galaxia/Animates were revived by the power of the cauldron too.

Loved Sailor Cosmos too. Although, I felt that Kotono put less emotion into Chibi-Chibi as I would have liked... I was possibly more used to Chibi-Chibi from the La Mouvement Final musical that I expected her to cry more before her Sailor Cosmos reveal.

Overall 8.5/10 for me