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Sailor Moon isn't even seinen, but it's porn - someone gotta edit its Wiki article. 
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Sailor Moon also features nudity, panchira, incest, bestiality, etc., hence it's at least semi-porn. 
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Wait... what? Princess Tutu a shonen?
Princess Tutu is a mahou-shoujo. I think you are referring to the manga, released a year after the anime had premiered. It summed the story up, omitting some plot points (fairy tales and vague references to Mythos, plus some romance elements), for a shonen magazine.
Yes, the manga was inferior...
Princess Tutu is a mahou-shoujo. I think you are referring to the manga, released a year after the anime had premiered. It summed the story up, omitting some plot points (fairy tales and vague references to Mythos, plus some romance elements), for a shonen magazine.
Yes, the manga was inferior...
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Wait... what? Princess Tutu a shonen?
Princess Tutu is a mahou-shoujo. I think you are referring to the manga, released a year after the anime had premiered. It summed the story up, omitting some plot points (fairy tales and vague references to Mythos, plus some romance elements), for a shonen magazine. Yes, the manga was inferior...
Princess Tutu is a mahou-shoujo. I think you are referring to the manga, released a year after the anime had premiered. It summed the story up, omitting some plot points (fairy tales and vague references to Mythos, plus some romance elements), for a shonen magazine.
Yes, the manga was inferior...
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I didn't like Princess Tutu. Thing I didn't like was that since Fakir could control the story with his writing why couldn't he write an ending where Ahiru remained a human so she could still be with him?
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I think there is a misunderstanding
Usage Drop is not like that. The whole unrelated guy raising the protagonist or big age gaps are common in Josie .If it was like the loli.Then Rin would been sexualize .Which she was not.I don't like the trope or excusing it.But in Usagi drop its more of a female fantasy than a guy one.
Usage Drop is not like that. The whole unrelated guy raising the protagonist or big age gaps are common in Josie .If it was like the loli.Then Rin would been sexualize .Which she was not.I don't like the trope or excusing it.But in Usagi drop its more of a female fantasy than a guy one.
If it were a female fantasy one would think that the father figure Daikichi would’ve been a suave bishonen, instead he looks just like any other pathetic, generic self-insert harem protagonist.
For references sake this is what he looks like:
Yeah not exactly designed for the female gaze is he? If I didn’t know any better and hadn’t gone looking it up in the wiki myself I would for sure think Usagi Drop is Seinen aimed at Otaku incels who self-insert into Daikichi and dream of having their own Loli waifu to raise - just like how I had to learn that Princess Tutu is apparently shonen and aimed at boys when I always thought it was Shojo.
Usually anime/manga are pretty good about fitting into their respective genres but Usagi Drop & Princess Tutu ain’t it, their audiences should really be switched.
For references sake this is what he looks like:
Yeah not exactly designed for the female gaze is he? If I didn’t know any better and hadn’t gone looking it up in the wiki myself I would for sure think Usagi Drop is Seinen aimed at Otaku incels who self-insert into Daikichi and dream of having their own Loli waifu to raise - just like how I had to learn that Princess Tutu is apparently shonen and aimed at boys when I always thought it was Shojo.
Usually anime/manga are pretty good about fitting into their respective genres but Usagi Drop & Princess Tutu ain’t it, their audiences should really be switched.
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Nonetheless it's a josie and was created by a woman.Nope Usagi Drop is very Josie especially the writing.It would not fit as a shonen or senien
Your saying that because of the ending.Whch why more common in shonen.It appears in Josie as well.
Your saying that because of the ending.Whch why more common in shonen.It appears in Josie as well.
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Well, technically it's aimed at teenage boys. Seinen would be aimed at adult men. Like Madoka.
By the way, Happy Sugar Life is also shonen. Which is...strange. I thought it was seinen or josei. But oh well. I was also ecstatic when I found out that My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom! was josei! I thought that if not seinen it would be at least shojo...because the last thing I would've wanted was for something like that to be seinen/shonen.
I looked up Usagi Drop and while admittedly I didn't injest all of it I have to wonder what was so pedophilic about it.
By the way, Happy Sugar Life is also shonen. Which is...strange. I thought it was seinen or josei. But oh well. I was also ecstatic when I found out that My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom! was josei! I thought that if not seinen it would be at least shojo...because the last thing I would've wanted was for something like that to be seinen/shonen.
I looked up Usagi Drop and while admittedly I didn't injest all of it I have to wonder what was so pedophilic about it.
Well, shows based off of a certain demographic don't always have to fit in one box. Not all shojo is like Fruits Basket, not all shonen is like My Hero Academia, not all josei is like My Next Life, and not all seinen is like Kaguya-sama. The last two are probably bad examples, but whatever.
Also, remember that these are demographics, not genres. Genres would be like Magical Girl, battle shonen, reverse harem, girls with guns, idol stars, cooking, sports, etc. Not "this anime is aimed at teenage girls", since that can encompass a variety of things. That's why these "genres" don't make sense to us Westerners(and maybe also because we're used to shoehorning everything into a gender binary of "girls watch princesses, boys watch race trucks, women watch romcoms, men watch action flicks!"). But in Japan, someone could very well decide to make an anime about girls playing competitive volleyball in a boxing ring where the loser is shipped off to the Bermuda Triangle and make it a shojo! You never know!
Also, remember that these are demographics, not genres. Genres would be like Magical Girl, battle shonen, reverse harem, girls with guns, idol stars, cooking, sports, etc. Not "this anime is aimed at teenage girls", since that can encompass a variety of things. That's why these "genres" don't make sense to us Westerners(and maybe also because we're used to shoehorning everything into a gender binary of "girls watch princesses, boys watch race trucks, women watch romcoms, men watch action flicks!"). But in Japan, someone could very well decide to make an anime about girls playing competitive volleyball in a boxing ring where the loser is shipped off to the Bermuda Triangle and make it a shojo! You never know!
Surprised you haven’t heard of it, it’s about as infamous as Boku no Pico is for perverted, disturbing series among the anime community.
As for what makes it so pedophilic… The main characters and couple of the series are a 30 year old man and the 6 year old girl he adopts and raises like a daughter. (Who is also supposed to be his half-aunt but luckily the the mangaka didn’t go THAT far and had the usual “not actually blood-related” plot twist at the end, the little girl he’s raising is his grandpa’s stepdaughter not actual bio daughter)
To be fair they do only get together once the girl becomes an adult, but it’s still gross because there’s like a 24 year age gap between them and he spent most of this child’s life raising her like a daughter so there’s that uncomfortable grooming aspect to it as well. In fact that’s the entire plot of the manga up until the very end when they get together - it’s centered on the day to day lives of what’s essentially a single father raising this little girl he adopted, like that’s the entire focus.
That maybe so, but in a case like Usagi Drop, I can’t imagine how any adult woman could find what’s essentially a very male centric wife-husbandry fantasy appealing. Maybe I’d get it if the father figure was designed to be this cool bishonen but he’s not, he looks like every other Otaku Incel protagonist ever that few women in real life would ever swoon over.
As for what makes it so pedophilic… The main characters and couple of the series are a 30 year old man and the 6 year old girl he adopts and raises like a daughter. (Who is also supposed to be his half-aunt but luckily the the mangaka didn’t go THAT far and had the usual “not actually blood-related” plot twist at the end, the little girl he’s raising is his grandpa’s stepdaughter not actual bio daughter)
To be fair they do only get together once the girl becomes an adult, but it’s still gross because there’s like a 24 year age gap between them and he spent most of this child’s life raising her like a daughter so there’s that uncomfortable grooming aspect to it as well. In fact that’s the entire plot of the manga up until the very end when they get together - it’s centered on the day to day lives of what’s essentially a single father raising this little girl he adopted, like that’s the entire focus.
That maybe so, but in a case like Usagi Drop, I can’t imagine how any adult woman could find what’s essentially a very male centric wife-husbandry fantasy appealing. Maybe I’d get it if the father figure was designed to be this cool bishonen but he’s not, he looks like every other Otaku Incel protagonist ever that few women in real life would ever swoon over.
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Secret reference - Imgur.Well even deconstruction things like to pay homage to Sailor Moon than other 90s-style MGs (Snow White doing Sailor Mercury Pose) - Anime: Magical Girl Raising Project
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That doesn't mean anything in Josie.Keep in mind the first six volumes of Usagi Drop.Was just about a guy trying to be dad.The weirdest thing came at the end with the time skip.Ar was Rin who wanted marry daki chi.Also Daiki chi is not an incel or blank shonen protagonist.Those harem protagonist are usually in there early twenties and are perverted.Daki does not fit that at all.
I also do not why the author went that route in the end, but it was hear towards women.
I also do not why the author went that route in the end, but it was hear towards women.
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Well even deconstruction series still give Sailor Moon more respect. Eva director is a fan of Mercury, Rei has Mercury hair, Asuka has Mars hair, there's a picture of Misato doing Sailor Moon pose (idk whether is the picture true or just a fanmade). PMMM Madoka is like a homage to the manga version of Sailor Moon, even the series is considered loosely inspired by Stars arc. MGRP when Snow white transforming she did the Sailor Mercury pose.
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No she doesn't.
Also, it's less that seinen(because let's face it, the ones we're talking about ARE seinen) Magical Girl deconstructions don't respect Sailor Moon and more that they don't respect the traditional Magical Girl genre at all. I know what @Tsundereshipper said, but to me it's like "Hey, this genre for girls that is all about hope, triumph, friendship, and showing the hardships of both hero and everyday life while also giving girls something to believe in while ALSO empowering them to be heroes without having to be masculine? Hell nah! They should suffer for having power and aspirations to be heroes because girls are vulnerable hysterical victims by nature who will never amount to anything! Because that's ReAlIsTiC!!!! Also, let's aim it at men while we're at it!" Geez, girls really can't have anything for themselves can we? Because it's not like this trend is happening with male power fantasy works for boys as well. Turning them into suffering fests where boys are punished for having dreams, wanting to be heroic/powerful, and showing male solidarity, all with some stereotype piled up onto it to affirm their fundamental cosmic victimhood and inferiority, all the while being aimed at adult women.
And it's saying something that the few Magical Girl works aimed at a male audience that DON'T pull the "girls must suffer for having power and dreams" contrivity are shonen rather than seinen, such as Princess Tutu(as stated above), Lyrical Nanoha, and Okusama wa Mahou Shoujo. Which isn't to say that they don't have problems(since I hate the "falling in love is mutually exclusive with having power and their love for a man is their weakness" trope, though fortunately that's been discredited nowadays"), but it's still better than saying that girls can't have power or change the world in spite of the odds stacked against them because girls suffering and being vulnerable and oppressed is the natural course of humanity required for it to function(side-eyes Kyubey's "without us you'd still be living in caves" crap when their entire purpose is forcing teenage girls to spiral into despair for having power and wishes, basically stating that the exploitation of women is necessary for humanity's progress).
But back on topic, if deconstructions(even if they're not even Magical Girl) can respect Sailor Moon, then that proves that deconstructions don't have to be all dark and edgy and in-your-face pretentious. I think that if Sailor Moon were an actual deconstruction, it would be leagues above Madoka and the rest regardless of whether it came first or codified the genre. Especially since it would be more than just "punishing girls for their hubris".
Also, it's less that seinen(because let's face it, the ones we're talking about ARE seinen) Magical Girl deconstructions don't respect Sailor Moon and more that they don't respect the traditional Magical Girl genre at all. I know what @Tsundereshipper said, but to me it's like "Hey, this genre for girls that is all about hope, triumph, friendship, and showing the hardships of both hero and everyday life while also giving girls something to believe in while ALSO empowering them to be heroes without having to be masculine? Hell nah! They should suffer for having power and aspirations to be heroes because girls are vulnerable hysterical victims by nature who will never amount to anything! Because that's ReAlIsTiC!!!! Also, let's aim it at men while we're at it!" Geez, girls really can't have anything for themselves can we? Because it's not like this trend is happening with male power fantasy works for boys as well. Turning them into suffering fests where boys are punished for having dreams, wanting to be heroic/powerful, and showing male solidarity, all with some stereotype piled up onto it to affirm their fundamental cosmic victimhood and inferiority, all the while being aimed at adult women.
And it's saying something that the few Magical Girl works aimed at a male audience that DON'T pull the "girls must suffer for having power and dreams" contrivity are shonen rather than seinen, such as Princess Tutu(as stated above), Lyrical Nanoha, and Okusama wa Mahou Shoujo. Which isn't to say that they don't have problems(since I hate the "falling in love is mutually exclusive with having power and their love for a man is their weakness" trope, though fortunately that's been discredited nowadays"), but it's still better than saying that girls can't have power or change the world in spite of the odds stacked against them because girls suffering and being vulnerable and oppressed is the natural course of humanity required for it to function(side-eyes Kyubey's "without us you'd still be living in caves" crap when their entire purpose is forcing teenage girls to spiral into despair for having power and wishes, basically stating that the exploitation of women is necessary for humanity's progress).
But back on topic, if deconstructions(even if they're not even Magical Girl) can respect Sailor Moon, then that proves that deconstructions don't have to be all dark and edgy and in-your-face pretentious. I think that if Sailor Moon were an actual deconstruction, it would be leagues above Madoka and the rest regardless of whether it came first or codified the genre. Especially since it would be more than just "punishing girls for their hubris".
Lyrical Nanoha is a Shonen and not a Seinen? Color me shocked once again, since it was originally a spin-off based on a hentai game. (Nanoha is literally the little sister of one of the characters in this game)
It is one though - at least the Manga and PGSM are. That’s why I say Madoka ain’t that special, Sailor Moon and even Princess Tutu attempted to deconstruct and subvert the genre long before Madoka came into existence.
It is one though - at least the Manga and PGSM are. That’s why I say Madoka ain’t that special, Sailor Moon and even Princess Tutu attempted to deconstruct and subvert the genre long before Madoka came into existence.
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