Season 4 movies update: Sailor Moon Eternal - Delayed to 2021 (Part 1 on January 8th & Part 2 on February 11th)

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They have no choice but to do Sailor Stars unless this movie tanks and that's not going to happen (hopefully.) In any case, our fandom is far too strong to let Sailor Moon die so if Toei wants them coins they will keep dishing out content.

I still say the reason Sailor Moon hasnt taken off like DBZ is because the lack of content produced. Anime wise and video game wise, Sailor Moon is lacking. If they redid those Super Nintendo and Genesis games for Next Gen PC and consoles..Like if Streets of Rage 4 can get updated, why not a new Sailor Moon game or next gen Another Story?


DBZ has the same characters and general the same plot through most of its run but the cast always goes on new adventures and faces new foes, has lots of video games and movies..

My person opinion is I think Toei probably has expressed interest in doing some new type of Sailor Moon but Naoko won't let them. She wouldn't be the first to have problems with Toei over their intellectual property. I think it's contract limitations and not creative merits. They did originally say they had came to her and expressed that they wanted to do another Sailor Moon series and she approved. On one hand, I can't disagree with her as these companies are more concerned about the money and when Naoko passes, they'll take all rights to the show and probably wouldn't leave much for Chibi-Naoko to keep the legacy with.

That's the one thing about these creator and company contract agreement. Once the creator dies, the company still profits. Naoko's entertainment lawyer don't play that..
I'm just mindless ranting this late.
 
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They have no choice but to do Sailor Stars unless this movie tanks and that's not going to happen (hopefully.) In any case, our fandom is far too strong to let Sailor Moon die so if Toei wants them coins they will keep dishing out content.

I still say the reason Sailor Moon hasnt taken off like DBZ is because the lack of content produced. Anime wise and video game wise, Sailor Moon is lacking. If they redid those Super Nintendo and Genesis games for Next Gen PC and consoles..Like if Streets of Rage 4 can get updated, why not a new Sailor Moon game or next gen Another Story?


DBZ has the same characters and general the same plot through most of its run but the cast always goes on new adventures and faces new foes, has lots of video games and movies..

My person opinion is I think Toei probably has expressed interest in doing some new type of Sailor Moon but Naoko won't let them. She wouldn't be the first to have problems with Toei over their intellectual property. I think it's contract limitations and not creative merits. They did originally say they had came to her and expressed that they wanted to do another Sailor Moon series and she approved.
I believe the moment Naoko Takeuchi passes away Toei will immediately commission new Sailor Moon content, similar to how when Stephen Hillenburg the co-creator of SpongeBob SquarePants had stated he would never make a prequel series with Spongebob as a child and Nickelodeon respected his wishes... until he died and Nickelodeon more or less immediately commission such as a series he never wanted to see happen.
 
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I believe the moment Naoko Takeuchi passes away Toei will immediately commission new Sailor Moon content, similar to how when Stephen Hillenburg the co-creator of SpongeBob SquarePants had stated he would never make a prequel series with Spongebob as a child and Nickelodeon respected his wishes... until he died and Nickelodeon more or less immediately commission such as a series he never wanted to see happen.
I believe the moment Naoko Takeuchi passes away Toei will immediately commission new Sailor Moon content, similar to how when Stephen Hillenburg the co-creator of SpongeBob SquarePants had stated he would never make a prequel series with Spongebob as a child and Nickelodeon respected his wishes... until he died and Nickelodeon more or less immediately commission such as a series he never wanted to see happen.
There have been problems with other shows too like Johnny Bravo. If I ever got an offer from a company I would get an entertainment lawyer immediately. I've heard that for some shows, once you sign a contract for a certain period you could lose the show and it goes to the company. It's all a money game which for them.

So as I said before, if Naoko is actually limiting what Toei can do with her work, that is a good thing probably. Toei probably owns the majority share of the anime and can only do so much that Naoko will allow them which might be different for other things like musicals.

Hopefully she has a thing in place where creative control can pass along to her kids when they get older.

The Sailor Moon fandom has been one of the most dedicated and talented fandoms I've seen in a while bringing out people from all over their world as artists, animators, filmmakers and much more...so I know Sailor Moon won't be dying anytime soon.
 
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They have no choice but to do Sailor Stars unless this movie tanks and that's not going to happen (hopefully.) In any case, our fandom is far too strong to let Sailor Moon die so if Toei wants them coins they will keep dishing out content.

I still say the reason Sailor Moon hasnt taken off like DBZ is because the lack of content produced. Anime wise and video game wise, Sailor Moon is lacking. If they redid those Super Nintendo and Genesis games for Next Gen PC and consoles..Like if Streets of Rage 4 can get updated, why not a new Sailor Moon game or next gen Another Story?


DBZ has the same characters and general the same plot through most of its run but the cast always goes on new adventures and faces new foes, has lots of video games and movies..

My person opinion is I think Toei probably has expressed interest in doing some new type of Sailor Moon but Naoko won't let them. She wouldn't be the first to have problems with Toei over their intellectual property. I think it's contract limitations and not creative merits. They did originally say they had came to her and expressed that they wanted to do another Sailor Moon series and she approved. On one hand, I can't disagree with her as these companies are more concerned about the money and when Naoko passes, they'll take all rights to the show and probably wouldn't leave much for Chi-Naoko to keep the legacy with.

That's the one thing about these creator and company contract agreement. Once the creator does, the company still profits. Naoko's entertainment lawyer don't play that..
I'm just mindless ranting this late.
Sailor Moon is a shoujo. It cannot compare to a popular shounen title like DBZ etc. It is how Japanese market works. Most anime fans are guys, both in and outside Japan and shoujo as genrehas been in a decline for a very long time. Even the most popular shoujo titles like Madoka Magica get nothing but mobile games. In comparison Attack on Titan and other shounen happen to get actual games for consoles and PC. When it comes to lack of content. Well the manga has 5 story arcs, prequel, sode stories. Most magical girl manga series are way shorter. I do not know why people keep saying that Naoko is the problem? Crystal is a reboot. Most series that are not shounen get one of these and usually follow the closer to the manga route. Look at one of the he most popular series - Fullmetal Alchemist. Even a shounen of sich popularity gets no more afaptations after Brotherhood. Reboots in anime rarely happen and no manga adaptation anime last forer, except for endless shounen titles. Naoko is not the problem. The marketing point of viee is. Toei has their one shoujo title that can go on forever and DBZ and One Peace are way more lucrative for them.
Before Crystal was announced, nobody expected new anime for the IP.

ChibiNehellenia, what you said about Naoko passing away is horrible...
 
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I wasn't trying to be mean, just stating that it may happen for Toei to do such a thing.
Still I doubt they will. Sailor Moon is a shared property. There are Naoko, Kodansha and Toei. If something happens to her Toei will share with her relatives and Kodansha. Magical Girl genre is a niche of already niche market that is anime. There are currently not many titles and I doubt there will be a renaissence. In amy case Toei will be way more willing to do something original that belongs to them.
 
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I actually hope that does not happen, I want new Sailor Moon content.
I want it too but I don't want no trash content..lol

Sailor Moon is a shoujo. It cannot compare to a popular shounen title like DBZ etc. It is how Japanese market works. Most anime fans are guys, both in and outside Japan and shoujo as genrehas been in a decline for a very long time. Even the most popular shoujo titles like Madoka Magica get nothing but mobile games. In comparison Attack on Titan and other shounen happen to get actual games for consoles and PC. When it comes to lack of content. Well the manga has 5 story arcs, prequel, sode stories. Most magical girl manga series are way shorter. I do not know why people keep saying that Naoko is the problem? Crystal is a reboot. Most series that are not shounen get one of these and usually follow the closer to the manga route. Look at one of the he most popular series - Fullmetal Alchemist. Even a shounen of sich popularity gets no more afaptations after Brotherhood. Reboots in anime rarely happen and no manga adaptation anime last forer, except for endless shounen titles. Naoko is not the problem. The marketing point of viee is. Toei has their one shoujo title that can go on forever and DBZ and One Peace are way more lucrative for them.
Before Crystal was announced, nobody expected new anime for the IP.

ChibiNehellenia, what you said about Naoko passing away is horrible...
What about Pretty Cure that's a magical girl? Sailor Moon was the original Sentai Magical Girl OG. Pretty Cure gets a ton of movies with even some of the old cures appearing together in a movie.

I don't think ChibiNehellenia was being mean or anything about the Naoko comment but from a business perspective things can and do get ugly between companies and the original creators. Sailor Moon has proven it can go on as well, as shown by the musicals. Sailor Moon could be way more lucrative. It had its own live action series, Universal attraction, concerts, condoms etc. While we all know Sailor Moon can't go on forever, it can surely dish out some new things.

Truthfully, We can't honestly say whether Naoko is or isn't the problem because we aren't handling the business behind the scenes. She could be a factor, maybe not, but she wouldn't be the first to get into it with a company over how certain things are portrayed with the direction of their work such as with manga creators likeYumiko Igarashi so it's not impossible idea but at the end of the day it's her right to allow what she wants to see her characters in legally speaking.
 
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Pretty Cure belongs to Toei exclusively. They can keep it going on for as long as Bandai produce toys. Sailor Moon is a classic, sure, but at this age and age Pretty Cure is the "it" magical girl show. Sailor Moon can make a lot of money, for sure, but they are shared. Pretty Cure on the other hand is Toei's. And if Sailor Moon went on forever it would have eventually become like Pretty Cute. Except we have 9 senshi. And there can be as much Pretty Cures as you want. Pretty Cure is designed to be flexible, and to go on forerer as it reboots every year.
 
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That I pretty much get. Most of us know Sailor Moon can't go on "forever". We don't want it to go on forever or turn into Pretty Cure but there are things that can be explored further with the show that still involve the main cast plus there other Sailor Senshi that we can at least see, Sailor Mermaid for example. If the movies prove to be successful, I hope they will consider a new adventure for the Senshi.


As fans we know it can't go on forever (well it kind of can as long as we exist as fans to keep it alive, and those after we are gone) but most of us probably wouldn't mind some untouched parts of Sailor Moon to actually be touched in an anime form.
 
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This was what Crystal should have done - elaborate and expanding of an established lore and polish the manga story. It didn't. Now with the movie format introduced I doubt they will have time to do it with the rest of the story. I wish they make another adaptation of the manga that has this in mind, but I have a feeling it won't be anytime soon and the fan base is tired and burnt of Dark Kingdom repeats for example. Nobody knows what could be done with the story in this case. Something completely original with the same characters is the most possible route. But then it won't be Sailor Moon anymore. They can go to a new generation with Chibi Usa and the asteroid senshi - cool, but done some many times. A continuation of the story is what many people want. But where can the story go? To the Crystal Tokio creation - for me this plot point work and is so compelling to many, precisely because it is vague. I doubt Naoko would let them do a continuation without her penning it, and I think it is at this point on certain she doesn't want to. I can argue she didn't want to do the Stars arc, but this would be speculation. Yet it showed her fatigue and lack of direction for the arc (again personal opinion). The ending for me is putting end to a story in the best of time. But then again, it is personal opinion.
 
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Sailor Moon is a shoujo. It cannot compare to a popular shounen title like DBZ etc. It is how Japanese market works. Most anime fans are guys, both in and outside Japan and shoujo as genrehas been in a decline for a very long time. Even the most popular shoujo titles like Madoka Magica get nothing but mobile games. In comparison Attack on Titan and other shounen happen to get actual games for consoles and PC. When it comes to lack of content. Well the manga has 5 story arcs, prequel, sode stories. Most magical girl manga series are way shorter. I do not know why people keep saying that Naoko is the problem? Crystal is a reboot. Most series that are not shounen get one of these and usually follow the closer to the manga route. Look at one of the he most popular series - Fullmetal Alchemist. Even a shounen of sich popularity gets no more afaptations after Brotherhood. Reboots in anime rarely happen and no manga adaptation anime last forer, except for endless shounen titles. Naoko is not the problem. The marketing point of viee is. Toei has their one shoujo title that can go on forever and DBZ and One Peace are way more lucrative for them.
Before Crystal was announced, nobody expected new anime for the IP.

ChibiNehellenia, what you said about Naoko passing away is horrible...
Madoka is not for girls it's for men.Shojo addaptionss are mostly live action.They are still cafess, and merchandise.Puella Magi Madoka had a psp game.Cafe, and lot of merchandise.
 
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I know I am late to the reaction, but I have to say I haven't been so thrilled for Sailor Moon in a good while. I usually hold my hopes at bay, to avoid disappointment. I try to avoid believing rumors or even official announcements because things can be pushed back, or pictures could just be pictures for the sole purpose of advertising without the actual product near finished. But once I saw some legit footage for the next arc, I completely gave into my hopes for the upcoming animation of my favorite part of the manga. I know it won't be a 100% page-to-screen adaptation, but the fact that Dream is being adapted properly as an anime is enough to get me excited.
 
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Madoka is not for girls it's for men.Shojo addaptionss are mostly live action.They are still cafess, and merchandise.Puella Magi Madoka had a psp game.Cafe, and lot of merchandise.
Madoka Magica proved to appeal to general mases, so this is for Sailor Moon. However by genre it is still a magical girl show that is classified as shoujo and seinen at the same time. I mean that even something as successful pales to the straight up shouen all the games it gets are mobile games. The demand of magical girl shows is quite low.
 
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Madoka Magica proved to appeal to general mases, so this is for Sailor Moon. However by genre it is still a magical girl show that is classified as shoujo and seinen at the same time. I mean that even something as successful pales to the straight up shouen all the games it gets are mobile games. The demand of magical girl shows is quite low.
No magical girl does not equal shojo.Just because it like by masses.Dosent make it less of a Senien.Puella magic madoka is a senien .I get what your saying .But keep in mind there not a lot of new manga that has magical girls.When there is a new manga that has it, and gets adaption.Will see more.
 

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While yes, Madoka Magica is 100% not a shoujo, it's not easily categorized as a seinen either. Considered the artists working on the show, I think there was less consideration about demographics, and more consideration about truly creating a piece of art. HOWEVER, It's true that the magical girl shows that have followed Madoka have been primarily chasing a male audience (and probably why they'll never be a fraction as successful).

I also think people grossly simplify everything when it comes to Toei's relationship with Sailor Moon, that you have to wonder if any of you actually sit on the production committee? For starters, there's this annoying argument that Toei prefers Precure over Sailor Moon because Precure is their property, and Sailor Moon is Naoko's... It just doesn't work that way. By that same token, Toei would have not showed any love of Dragon Ball Z or One Piece since they both were created by mangaka. Using that same idea, Toei would have poured money and time into an original property.

Now I do agree anime focuses too much on a male demographic than female, but there are times where Precure's animation trumps its shounen counterparts... So again I think Sailor Moon fans operate on this conventional wisdom, that you can easily poke holes in if you put two seconds of thought into it.

There is no new stories being told for Sailor Moon anime-wise because the show still hasn't even finished the Dream arc. Since none of you are Naoko Takeuchi, I would prefer to wait and see in 2035 after when Sailor Moon Stars gets released.
 
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I think the reason why there are more anime additions for shonen.Its probably because of action sequences.Why more shojo adapations do live actions. A good fraction them are romance.Aleast that's what I saw person at viz said.
 

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Not for nothing, I'm a huge fan of magical girl anime & I'm a guy (mostly what I look for to watch online). However, it's sad not seeing that many projects in this day & age. Not a Precure really, I've watch a few decent ones but none recently. Hate to say it, I hope they end the Precure franchise. Too childish for me and the writing & storyline is just meant for a child, no mature elements for adults to enjoy.
 
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While yes, Madoka Magica is 100% not a shoujo, it's not easily categorized as a seinen either. Considered the artists working on the show, I think there was less consideration about demographics, and more consideration about truly creating a piece of art. HOWEVER, It's true that the magical girl shows that have followed Madoka have been primarily chasing a male audience (and probably why they'll never be a fraction as successful).

I also think people grossly simplify everything when it comes to Toei's relationship with Sailor Moon, that you have to wonder if any of you actually sit on the production committee? For starters, there's this annoying argument that Toei prefers Precure over Sailor Moon because Precure is their property, and Sailor Moon is Naoko's... It just doesn't work that way. By that same token, Toei would have not showed any love of Dragon Ball Z or One Piece since they both were created by mangaka. Using that same idea, Toei would have poured money and time into an original property.

Now I do agree anime focuses too much on a male demographic than female, but there are times where Precure's animation trumps its shounen counterparts... So again I think Sailor Moon fans operate on this conventional wisdom, that you can easily poke holes in if you put two seconds of thought into it.

There is no new stories being told for Sailor Moon anime-wise because the show still hasn't even finished the Dream arc. Since none of you are Naoko Takeuchi, I would prefer to wait and see in 2035 after when Sailor Moon Stars gets released.
Not for nothing, I'm a huge fan of magical girl anime & I'm a guy (mostly what I look for to watch online). However, it's sad not seeing that many projects in this day & age. Not a Precure really, I've watch a few decent ones but none recently. Hate to say it, I hope they end the Precure franchise. Too childish for me and the writing & storyline is just meant for a child, no mature elements for adults to enjoy.
Why should they end Pretty Cure? It is a good kid show, it is pretty good for its target audience. You can simply avoid it.