The anime was more successful and did far more to spread it's popularity. That would have been a bad idea to copy the manga.
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Well, really, in the manga Seiya's love for Usagi was played as tragic since she also had similarly loved Princess Kakyuu, who like Usagi had a lover and thus did not reciprocate her feelings. Seiya in the anime was definitely carrying a torch fo Kakyuu and saw a lot of it in Usagi, but it was a bit less tragic since Kakyuu seemed to feel the same way for her there and had no lover.
I certainly rolled my eyes when she kept calling his phone to hear his answering machine >_< The anime also for some reason hid what happened to Mamoru, when the manga killed him right in front of her.
But yea, the Starlights still took over for the rest of her team in the manga. I understood how it raise the stakes, but it also cheated the rest of the main cast out of endings. Though the anime knocked the Inners out the same way
So, both the anime AND the manga treated the main characters as disposable if their name wasn't Usagi in the last arc.
Again, though, I'm comparing Stars to SuperS, not the manga. Because if you really want to talk about missing the point...they didn't even get Chibiusa right despite promoting her to a bigger role in the anime!
In the manga they all died off pretty fast. Take your pick - the main cast is killed and replaced in the manga, or the anime reduces their overall significance but keeps them participating in the story at large for a greater period of time.
I think the end of both mediums show how exhausted Takeuchi was by the end of the whole shebang.
I certainly rolled my eyes when she kept calling his phone to hear his answering machine >_< The anime also for some reason hid what happened to Mamoru, when the manga killed him right in front of her.
But yea, the Starlights still took over for the rest of her team in the manga. I understood how it raise the stakes, but it also cheated the rest of the main cast out of endings. Though the anime knocked the Inners out the same way
So, both the anime AND the manga treated the main characters as disposable if their name wasn't Usagi in the last arc.Again, though, I'm comparing Stars to SuperS, not the manga. Because if you really want to talk about missing the point...they didn't even get Chibiusa right despite promoting her to a bigger role in the anime!
In the manga they all died off pretty fast. Take your pick - the main cast is killed and replaced in the manga, or the anime reduces their overall significance but keeps them participating in the story at large for a greater period of time.
I think the end of both mediums show how exhausted Takeuchi was by the end of the whole shebang.
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Well, really, in the manga Seiya's love for Usagi was played as tragic since she also had similarly loved Princess Kakyuu, who like Usagi had a lover and thus did not reciprocate her feelings. Seiya in the anime was definitely carrying a torch fo Kakyuu and saw a lot of it in Usagi, but it was a bit less tragic since Kakyuu seemed to feel the same way for her there and had no lover.
I certainly rolled my eyes when she kept calling his phone to hear his answering machine >_< The anime also for some reason hid what happened to Mamoru, when the manga killed him right in front of her.
But yea, the Starlights still took over for the rest of her team in the manga. I understood how it raise the stakes, but it also cheated the rest of the main cast out of endings. Though the anime knocked the Inners out the same way So, both the anime AND the manga treated the main characters as disposable if their name wasn't Usagi in the last arc.
Again, though, I'm comparing Stars to SuperS, not the manga. Because if you really want to talk about missing the point...they didn't even get Chibiusa right despite promoting her to a bigger role in the anime!
In the manga they all died off pretty fast. Take your pick - the main cast is killed and replaced in the manga, or the anime reduces their overall significance but keeps them participating in the story at large for a greater period of time.
I think the end of both mediums show how exhausted Takeuchi was by the end of the whole shebang.
I certainly rolled my eyes when she kept calling his phone to hear his answering machine >_< The anime also for some reason hid what happened to Mamoru, when the manga killed him right in front of her.
But yea, the Starlights still took over for the rest of her team in the manga. I understood how it raise the stakes, but it also cheated the rest of the main cast out of endings. Though the anime knocked the Inners out the same way
So, both the anime AND the manga treated the main characters as disposable if their name wasn't Usagi in the last arc.Again, though, I'm comparing Stars to SuperS, not the manga. Because if you really want to talk about missing the point...they didn't even get Chibiusa right despite promoting her to a bigger role in the anime!
In the manga they all died off pretty fast. Take your pick - the main cast is killed and replaced in the manga, or the anime reduces their overall significance but keeps them participating in the story at large for a greater period of time.
I think the end of both mediums show how exhausted Takeuchi was by the end of the whole shebang.
and not enough on all the Senshi. This is why I like PGSM so much, as that series despite only running for one season, focused on all the Senshi equally and really made them grow as characters.This is something I really hope more than anything that the new anime fixes. More equal screen time and character development for all the Senshi. Sure the title of the show is "Sailor Moon" but that shouldn't mean it should only focus on her.
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Now, its my turn to rant about pointless edits: Of course there was the whole plot of the SuperS anime, that's a given but heres some more that just make me RAGEEE!
First of all, who thought it would be good idea to just completely disregard the Shittenou's backstories and not mention how they were originally Mamoru's guardians? Or how about the fact that Beryl used to be a normal woman that was corrupted by jealousy cause she secretly loved Endymion? Why the hell did they not have Venus do the whole decoy thing she did in the manga, and just had her like show up for 10 seconds in front of the team and then automatically join the next day, no questions asked?!?!
Sure the manga had pacing issues where it frequently felt like it was going too fast, but how they handled Venus's entrance in the anime was a joke and went wayy faster than the manga ever got on that front! Who's bright idea was it to leave out the decoy subplot? Or how about the removal of the bad-ass Legendary Holy Sword that was Venus's very. own. FREAKIN sword!
Also, why did Mamoru's role get so downgraded after R, while in the manga his importance just kept on increasing?
Finally, this is the edit that I feel was the most pointless because if they had kept that in, S would have actually been the most accurate season to the manga, but alas they didn't... That edit is...: Why the hell did they not mention the fact that Saturn was connected to the fall of the Moon Kingdom?!?! Holy mother, that's an extremely important plot point that ties S in with the main over-rall plot of Sailor Moon! Without it, though the series was good, the S season just felt like a standalone arc with new Senshi. Actually, that's the main problem of the anime overall, it didn't really have an overarching plot that connected like the manga did. Each season in the anime (With the exception of R which tied directly into Classic) kinda felt like its own self-contained thing, like a separate Precure series only with the same characters!
))Now, its my turn to rant about pointless edits: Of course there was the whole plot of the SuperS anime, that's a given but heres some more that just make me RAGEEE!
First of all, who thought it would be good idea to just completely disregard the Shittenou's backstories and not mention how they were originally Mamoru's guardians? Or how about the fact that Beryl used to be a normal woman that was corrupted by jealousy cause she secretly loved Endymion? Why the hell did they not have Venus do the whole decoy thing she did in the manga, and just had her like show up for 10 seconds in front of the team and then automatically join the next day, no questions asked?!?!
Sure the manga had pacing issues where it frequently felt like it was going too fast, but how they handled Venus's entrance in the anime was a joke and went wayy faster than the manga ever got on that front! Who's bright idea was it to leave out the decoy subplot? Or how about the removal of the bad-ass Legendary Holy Sword that was Venus's very. own. FREAKIN sword!
Also, why did Mamoru's role get so downgraded after R, while in the manga his importance just kept on increasing?
Finally, this is the edit that I feel was the most pointless because if they had kept that in, S would have actually been the most accurate season to the manga, but alas they didn't... That edit is...: Why the hell did they not mention the fact that Saturn was connected to the fall of the Moon Kingdom?!?! Holy mother, that's an extremely important plot point that ties S in with the main over-rall plot of Sailor Moon! Without it, though the series was good, the S season just felt like a standalone arc with new Senshi. Actually, that's the main problem of the anime overall, it didn't really have an overarching plot that connected like the manga did. Each season in the anime (With the exception of R which tied directly into Classic) kinda felt like its own self-contained thing, like a separate Precure series only with the same characters!
Moon used it too, not just Venus.
Wait, Kakyuu had a lover in the manga? Don't remember that.
Ouch! She did that so she could hear his voice. It was an emotion time for her. Harsh much?
They hid it so it could come as a dramatic shock later on.
And in the manga, she didn't know that he had died either. When he was killed, she passed out immediately after and didn't remember exactly what happened, and so figured Mamoru went to America after all. It wasn't until later that she found out that he had been killed instead.
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Becuase the anime directors disliked Mamoru while he was Naoko's favorite character.
That was honestly the point they were trying to make with the anime, making each season being its own series. Notice how the whole manga is called "Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon", while the anime got five different names:
Wait, Kakyuu had a lover in the manga? Don't remember that.
Ouch! She did that so she could hear his voice. It was an emotion time for her. Harsh much?
They hid it so it could come as a dramatic shock later on.
And in the manga, she didn't know that he had died either. When he was killed, she passed out immediately after and didn't remember exactly what happened, and so figured Mamoru went to America after all. It wasn't until later that she found out that he had been killed instead.
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Becuase the anime directors disliked Mamoru while he was Naoko's favorite character.
That was honestly the point they were trying to make with the anime, making each season being its own series. Notice how the whole manga is called "Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon", while the anime got five different names:
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon R
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon S
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon SuperS
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon Sailor Stars
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Moon used it too, not just Venus.
Wait, Kakyuu had a lover in the manga? Don't remember that.
Ouch! She did that so she could hear his voice. It was an emotion time for her. Harsh much?
They hid it so it could come as a dramatic shock later on.
And in the manga, she didn't know that he had died either. When he was killed, she passed out immediately after and didn't remember exactly what happened, and so figured Mamoru went to America after all. It wasn't until later that she found out that he had been killed instead.
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Becuase the anime directors disliked Mamoru while he was Naoko's favorite character.
That was honestly the point they were trying to make with the anime, making each season being its own series. Notice how the whole manga is called "Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon", while the anime got five different names:
Wait, Kakyuu had a lover in the manga? Don't remember that.
Ouch! She did that so she could hear his voice. It was an emotion time for her. Harsh much?
They hid it so it could come as a dramatic shock later on.
And in the manga, she didn't know that he had died either. When he was killed, she passed out immediately after and didn't remember exactly what happened, and so figured Mamoru went to America after all. It wasn't until later that she found out that he had been killed instead.
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Becuase the anime directors disliked Mamoru while he was Naoko's favorite character.
That was honestly the point they were trying to make with the anime, making each season being its own series. Notice how the whole manga is called "Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon", while the anime got five different names:
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon R
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon S
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon SuperS
- Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon Sailor Stars
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Wait, Kakyuu had a lover in the manga? Don't remember that.
I realize that, but it was such an overly melodramatic moment. Also, Usagi...had been shown to be tougher than that before. Even about Mamoru! Something that bugs me is that post-S, Usagi's character really regresses. In SuperS it's played for comedy, but in Stars she's developed a childlike naivete that's much more exaggerated than she's been in the past. So when her 14-year-old self is emotionally tougher than her 16-year-old self...yea.
Oh, I know why they did it dramatically, but it was strange that they changed it to be a surprise when anyone who read the manga already knew this from the start of the story arc.
I always got the impression that in the manga, she "knew" he was dead but repressed it.
Specifically, Ikuhara ran out of ideas for him and he took over the series mid-R. Ironically, his only movie for the franchise was the one that was all about Mamoru.
But at least the death of the main cast served a plot purpose in the manga? In the anime, they were still kept, but their reduction of significance had nothing to do with the plot and it was completely unnecessary and frustrating.
But either way, the main cast aside from Usagi are treated badly in both the manga and the anime. It's like once they die the action begins.
Yeah, I agree. When people place the writing of the manga on a pedestal, it's like really? It was written in really less than ideal conditions/restraints.
But either way, the main cast aside from Usagi are treated badly in both the manga and the anime. It's like once they die the action begins.
Yeah, I agree. When people place the writing of the manga on a pedestal, it's like really? It was written in really less than ideal conditions/restraints.
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Except they have two very different plots in the end. It is very different, and the whole passive agressive defense against it doesn't make any sense to me. Super S has no relevance once we start talking about Stars, though Super S itself was heavily watered down as well, it doesn't excuse Stars. The anime was an absolute train-wreck. It reworked the whole series, essentially what the whole series was developed into at that. Crappy Starlights aside, the manga had a greater purpose.
Agreed. At least the inner senshi got some sort of centric episodes in the anime and further development. The depressing Ami episode in S was a great way to kill an episode. I wouldn't even consider it a filler because of how well it further adds another dimension to her.
Agreed. At least the inner senshi got some sort of centric episodes in the anime and further development. The depressing Ami episode in S was a great way to kill an episode. I wouldn't even consider it a filler because of how well it further adds another dimension to her.
I'm sorry, what's passive aggressive about pointing out that the complaint of "the Starlights get too much screentime" is a bit weak when they take on essentially the same amount of importance to the plot in both the anime and the manga?
While I agree the manga had a great purpose, I again point out the rushed production schedule is probably 90% of the reason they're so different. If all the anime writers had was character sketches and a vague outline, they've got to try and get 30 episodes out of that.
It's not even the first series that took a really different direction - as the anime progressed past the first story arc, it tended to run off in its own direction. It generally had to thanks to how it was made. I'm not saying Stars was a work of art, but I have noticed a strange amount of Stars hate in the last year or and it's always interesting to me when the complaints about it are...not really its greatest faults. It's greatest fault being that it doesn't really tie the rest of the series up at all. The manga feels rushed even for the manga, but it's easy to look at that story arc as a full conclusion to a five-year series that ties up its main conflicts and themes. The anime...really doesn't wrap up anything and could have easily just segued into another season of Sailor Moon.
While I agree the manga had a great purpose, I again point out the rushed production schedule is probably 90% of the reason they're so different. If all the anime writers had was character sketches and a vague outline, they've got to try and get 30 episodes out of that.
It's not even the first series that took a really different direction - as the anime progressed past the first story arc, it tended to run off in its own direction. It generally had to thanks to how it was made. I'm not saying Stars was a work of art, but I have noticed a strange amount of Stars hate in the last year or and it's always interesting to me when the complaints about it are...not really its greatest faults. It's greatest fault being that it doesn't really tie the rest of the series up at all. The manga feels rushed even for the manga, but it's easy to look at that story arc as a full conclusion to a five-year series that ties up its main conflicts and themes. The anime...really doesn't wrap up anything and could have easily just segued into another season of Sailor Moon.
When I was a child and first saw sailor Moon, I was amazed at the potential it seemed to have. My thoughts were basically "Ok, this is a silly monster fighting schoolgirl show NOW, but clearly it's going to be so amazing when it gets all serious and focuses on Sailor Moon becomming the princess, which should happen any moment now..."
Good God I was so dissapointed with how stubborn the show was at advancing the plot. The thing is, I would have been totally fine with the show being schoolgirl focused had it actually taken this aspect more seriously and not been so episodic, SuperS+plot would have made for a spectacular season had it been done right.
Good God I was so dissapointed with how stubborn the show was at advancing the plot. The thing is, I would have been totally fine with the show being schoolgirl focused had it actually taken this aspect more seriously and not been so episodic, SuperS+plot would have made for a spectacular season had it been done right.
What I found passive agressive was that you weakly highlighted the injustice they did but tried to defend them and shift the attention while praising them in some sort of fashion.
The dub also had a rushed schedule, and they could have also waited and put quality over money which really isn't a by-passable excuse in my book. A vague outline would have provided much more of a synchronized series than what we have. There are major plot changes.
S was an anime that took it's own direction, and even R. However, they did not take it so far off into a different plot that things differed so heavily to the point heavy character/plot alterations. The main idea still stood throughout the series, Stars didn't have that, and as the closing season, it comes off as the worst because it had a purpose as the last season.
It not tying up the series is a major fault, however the galaxy cauldron was basically the plot for Sailor Moon and it was cut. The whole last few arcs of the manga explained the series within itself and the characters that appeared throughout the whole series and basically provided the main idea for the series. The anime cut that, and in return cut chunks out of the series itself, not just the season. It's a disaster when you look at what general idea of the show we were supposed to have throughout, at the end, and overall.
From what I gather it seems like they're taking their time with it, and I think the more open communication that seems to be occurring will help. I can only see the series ending up in a mess if there's miscommunication with who's involved, Naoko being the most important.
The dub also had a rushed schedule, and they could have also waited and put quality over money which really isn't a by-passable excuse in my book. A vague outline would have provided much more of a synchronized series than what we have. There are major plot changes.
S was an anime that took it's own direction, and even R. However, they did not take it so far off into a different plot that things differed so heavily to the point heavy character/plot alterations. The main idea still stood throughout the series, Stars didn't have that, and as the closing season, it comes off as the worst because it had a purpose as the last season.
It not tying up the series is a major fault, however the galaxy cauldron was basically the plot for Sailor Moon and it was cut. The whole last few arcs of the manga explained the series within itself and the characters that appeared throughout the whole series and basically provided the main idea for the series. The anime cut that, and in return cut chunks out of the series itself, not just the season. It's a disaster when you look at what general idea of the show we were supposed to have throughout, at the end, and overall.
From what I gather it seems like they're taking their time with it, and I think the more open communication that seems to be occurring will help. I can only see the series ending up in a mess if there's miscommunication with who's involved, Naoko being the most important.
I thought first season was fine. The only thing I disagreed on was how sudden Usagi and Mamoru fell in love once they remembered their past lives. Other than that I had no issues with the season. It might have been nice if the generals had the backstory in the manga, but I could live without it.
While I easily forget the alien arc in R, I find it understandable why they made it at the time and it wasn't horrible. I hate the break up arc for two reasons. First, it was poorly executed. I might not hate it as much if it was done better. Mamoru breaks up with her and in a single episode (out of the 16 episodes) when she finally finds out why they get back together? And future Mamoru sent the dreams to himself was total bull, plot wise. Secondly, I believe that it was just simply a way, for whoever was in charge of the anime, to put Mamoru in a bad light because he hated the character.
I really wish that they found a way of distinguishing the character Kaorinite from the Witches 5, especially in the first part of the season. For a while, I really thought she was one of them. I also wish the battle between Sailor Saturn and Pharaoh 90 was more epic than what we got. I also did not like how hostile the Outers were to the other Senshi at the beginning of the season. In the manga, at least the Outers were willing to help the Senshi if they were in trouble.
SuperS missed out on a lot of opportunities provided in the manga. They just filled the majority of the season with filler episodes and almost no character development. I also hate the history the added the Nehellenia because I prefer her Chaos incarnation background in the manga better than her "I want to be beautiful forever" background in the season. And I really wish that they kept the Asteroid Senshi plot in this season.
Stars is another season that suffered because of the animators' impatience waiting for the manga. I did not like the Nehellenia arc, and while I thought she was much more fearsome than last season, I did not like that she was redeemed at the end. After reading the manga, I agree the Starlights got too much attention for the season. Plus missing elements like the Galaxy Cauldron, Sailor Cosmos, Sailor Kakyuu, and other things just made me disappointed with the season.
While I easily forget the alien arc in R, I find it understandable why they made it at the time and it wasn't horrible. I hate the break up arc for two reasons. First, it was poorly executed. I might not hate it as much if it was done better. Mamoru breaks up with her and in a single episode (out of the 16 episodes) when she finally finds out why they get back together? And future Mamoru sent the dreams to himself was total bull, plot wise. Secondly, I believe that it was just simply a way, for whoever was in charge of the anime, to put Mamoru in a bad light because he hated the character.
I really wish that they found a way of distinguishing the character Kaorinite from the Witches 5, especially in the first part of the season. For a while, I really thought she was one of them. I also wish the battle between Sailor Saturn and Pharaoh 90 was more epic than what we got. I also did not like how hostile the Outers were to the other Senshi at the beginning of the season. In the manga, at least the Outers were willing to help the Senshi if they were in trouble.
SuperS missed out on a lot of opportunities provided in the manga. They just filled the majority of the season with filler episodes and almost no character development. I also hate the history the added the Nehellenia because I prefer her Chaos incarnation background in the manga better than her "I want to be beautiful forever" background in the season. And I really wish that they kept the Asteroid Senshi plot in this season.
Stars is another season that suffered because of the animators' impatience waiting for the manga. I did not like the Nehellenia arc, and while I thought she was much more fearsome than last season, I did not like that she was redeemed at the end. After reading the manga, I agree the Starlights got too much attention for the season. Plus missing elements like the Galaxy Cauldron, Sailor Cosmos, Sailor Kakyuu, and other things just made me disappointed with the season.
Please look up the definition of passive aggresive, thank you. "Critiquing an argument openly"? NOT PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE.
The dub was rushed by choice, not necessity.
This may shock you, but authors do not always have a neat outline of their intended plots from start to finish and can and often do change their minds during production. Considering that Takeuchi appears to have worked this way, the anime was never going to "match up." And frankly, they were never designed to in the first place. And furthermore, when you adapt a work from a completely different medium into another one, you're going to have a lot of changes. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're not, but simply whining that they're "different" isn't enough.
Dubs of anime are supposed to be a direct translation of complete, pre-existing material into another language while maintaining the same medium and constraints of story telling. Thus, no excuse when they come out radically different.
Seriously? Did you read the manga? The Black Moon Clan has an almost completely different story arc in the manga where none of them are sympathetic. The Sailor Senshi are targeted and eliminated one by one by the violent and sadistic Ayakashi Sisters and their skilled leader, Crimson Rubeus. Esmeraude is a monster who tries to choke Chibi-Usa to death and gets killed by Tuxedo Mask, who uses Tuxedo La Smoking Bomber to destroy her. Demand wasn't an innocent misled, he was an unstable, easily-swayed madman who nearly destroyed the universe...oh, and his brother was pure evil and tried to kill Demand for being disloyal to Wiseman. Oh yea...and PLUTO DIES SAVING THE UNIVERSE.
That's JUST Sailor Moon R. The only thing the anime and manga had in common was the characters, but their motives are completely different and even the resolution to the plot arc goes in a completely different direction. Plus the anime added a break-up arc that had nothing to do with the manga at all.
As for S? Well, let's see. The manga included an arc where Usagi was being romanced repeatedly by Haruka to the point that it nearly ruined her relationship with Mamoru. Yea, THAT happened in the anime! I sure remember all the Haruka kissing Usagi scenes, don't you? Oh, and the entire storyline about the Silence and the Messiah and the moral arguments over sacrifice? Entirely an anime invention. They didn't even keep the same plot conclusion.
...then there's SuperS, which bore zero resemblance to the manga in any fashion.
You know, the only news we have is still the press release announcing the show's existence. We don't have an episode count, and no idea if it will be another radically different story like PGSM was (and don't forget, PGSM was made with heavy involvement from Takeuchi.)
The dub was rushed by choice, not necessity.
This may shock you, but authors do not always have a neat outline of their intended plots from start to finish and can and often do change their minds during production. Considering that Takeuchi appears to have worked this way, the anime was never going to "match up." And frankly, they were never designed to in the first place. And furthermore, when you adapt a work from a completely different medium into another one, you're going to have a lot of changes. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're not, but simply whining that they're "different" isn't enough.
Dubs of anime are supposed to be a direct translation of complete, pre-existing material into another language while maintaining the same medium and constraints of story telling. Thus, no excuse when they come out radically different.
Seriously? Did you read the manga? The Black Moon Clan has an almost completely different story arc in the manga where none of them are sympathetic. The Sailor Senshi are targeted and eliminated one by one by the violent and sadistic Ayakashi Sisters and their skilled leader, Crimson Rubeus. Esmeraude is a monster who tries to choke Chibi-Usa to death and gets killed by Tuxedo Mask, who uses Tuxedo La Smoking Bomber to destroy her. Demand wasn't an innocent misled, he was an unstable, easily-swayed madman who nearly destroyed the universe...oh, and his brother was pure evil and tried to kill Demand for being disloyal to Wiseman. Oh yea...and PLUTO DIES SAVING THE UNIVERSE.
That's JUST Sailor Moon R. The only thing the anime and manga had in common was the characters, but their motives are completely different and even the resolution to the plot arc goes in a completely different direction. Plus the anime added a break-up arc that had nothing to do with the manga at all.
As for S? Well, let's see. The manga included an arc where Usagi was being romanced repeatedly by Haruka to the point that it nearly ruined her relationship with Mamoru. Yea, THAT happened in the anime! I sure remember all the Haruka kissing Usagi scenes, don't you? Oh, and the entire storyline about the Silence and the Messiah and the moral arguments over sacrifice? Entirely an anime invention. They didn't even keep the same plot conclusion.
...then there's SuperS, which bore zero resemblance to the manga in any fashion.
You know, the only news we have is still the press release announcing the show's existence. We don't have an episode count, and no idea if it will be another radically different story like PGSM was (and don't forget, PGSM was made with heavy involvement from Takeuchi.)
Passive agressive doesn't have to be to a huge wild extreme, your flip flop seems quite transparent as you defend Stars while watering down the faults. I consider it to be pretty passive agressive. You seem to try to be making the point that it's rather well done as opposed to butchered by down playing the faults.
They had the same issue, making deadlines for the broadcast. That's been a repeated thing mentioned on Cloverway's dub.
Oh that's not shocking at all, so you don't need to get whiny yourself. The general idea of the manga is so far from the anime. They obviously had an idea of the star seeds, Galaxia, and Chibi Chibi if Naoko got gave an outline. They simply took it in their own direction. And it's not just "different," it's a bland, and weak direction compared to the original intentent. So there's more to that than being different.
Addressing the rest of your belligerent and snarky post, I was focusing on how Stars changed the essence of Sailor Moon itself. I'm well aware of all the directions taken in the other arcs of the anime, and I've commented in the past about how silly Super S, and most of the anime is compared to the manga so many times, I was just using Stars as the main beacon for my argument. They changed the whole ending, the conclusion, and the point throughout the series in that whole arc. I'd go as far as saying Classic, R, and S maintained many dark aspects when being translated into a children's TV show (which was the main market when adapting the manga.) There were main elements kept to get the same general idea. Stars however did it in a more severe fashion, as it was supposed to provide the backdrop and explanation for the whole series as well as the conclusion which it failed to do. However yes, like I said the manga was done no justice by the anime. Hence why I created this thread. Because many things were edited out, and many characters were downplayed, and in the end it could have been much better. So those things you mentioned (on top of all of the attacks in classic, the deaths of the Shittenou, the Asteroid Senshi, The Holy Grail, The Witches 5 (even the levels they were given,) Diana getting pushed back till Super S, Chibi Usa getting her powers in S) all contributes to the "silly pointless anime edits."
They had the same issue, making deadlines for the broadcast. That's been a repeated thing mentioned on Cloverway's dub.
Oh that's not shocking at all, so you don't need to get whiny yourself. The general idea of the manga is so far from the anime. They obviously had an idea of the star seeds, Galaxia, and Chibi Chibi if Naoko got gave an outline. They simply took it in their own direction. And it's not just "different," it's a bland, and weak direction compared to the original intentent. So there's more to that than being different.
Addressing the rest of your belligerent and snarky post, I was focusing on how Stars changed the essence of Sailor Moon itself. I'm well aware of all the directions taken in the other arcs of the anime, and I've commented in the past about how silly Super S, and most of the anime is compared to the manga so many times, I was just using Stars as the main beacon for my argument. They changed the whole ending, the conclusion, and the point throughout the series in that whole arc. I'd go as far as saying Classic, R, and S maintained many dark aspects when being translated into a children's TV show (which was the main market when adapting the manga.) There were main elements kept to get the same general idea. Stars however did it in a more severe fashion, as it was supposed to provide the backdrop and explanation for the whole series as well as the conclusion which it failed to do. However yes, like I said the manga was done no justice by the anime. Hence why I created this thread. Because many things were edited out, and many characters were downplayed, and in the end it could have been much better. So those things you mentioned (on top of all of the attacks in classic, the deaths of the Shittenou, the Asteroid Senshi, The Holy Grail, The Witches 5 (even the levels they were given,) Diana getting pushed back till Super S, Chibi Usa getting her powers in S) all contributes to the "silly pointless anime edits."