The new anime needs to focus on all the Senshi equally

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haifen

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I seem to remember a farewell note from Takeuchi when PGSM was ending where she gave her thanks for seeing the first arc in live action and praised the actors but seemed to plead for the producers of Toei to include ALL of her characters next time or something like that. Trouble is I remember the translation was on shingetsu, which, while coming back, has been defunct for a while. Anyone else remember it? It's a long shot but it could be cool if they could work in even at least hints of the outer planets' soldiers; though shoehorning them into the first arc would destroy their mystery in the Infinity arc. Ahh I remember back in the 90s being teased with DiC's last dub episode and being so excited/heartbroken/mystified with the two "potentially imposter scouts."
 
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Maetch said:
Unfortunately, since Usagi is the main character, the other Sailors are forever doomed to be second-bananas with as minimal character development as possible. As far as fight scenes go, they just serve as Usagi's meat-shields and a source of occasional plot-exposition. Off-duty, they usually serve as the means to set up the current plot of the episode or arc. It's been like this since the manga began and will most likely never change.

And Minako had her time in the spotlight as Sailor V. Her personal importance expired the moment she became Sailor Venus.
Are you talking about the manga or the anime? The anime did MUCH more characterization in most areas for the others (aside from backstories, for some reason.) Even Hotaru got more fleshed out in the anime. The only one who didn't was Setsuna. :P

SakuyamonX said:
There is ZERO confirmation that the new anime is going to be closer to the manga.

Sailor Moon is obviously the star of the series, and therefore will always get a bit more of the spotlight. However, I would say that one of the manga's faults is that there was very little development in terms of the personalities of Mars, Mercury, Venus, and especially Jupiter. Ironically, while the old anime made the four weaker than their manga counterparts, it spent a good amount of time developing their personalities outside of battle. PGSM is obviously the strongest of these three when it comes to characterization, and frankly if in the anime they go back to putting the characters (except for Sailor Moon) in the backburner, then it would be major step back.

I also don't understand concept of respecting the manga's vision to a total tee to the point of mimicking its several faults. The new anime should recitify the various problems in the manga. I do not want a scene-by-scene Anime remake of the manga, that's not only unoriginal, but would be boring considering how old the manga's story is now.
Are you reading my mind? That is EXACTLY what I've been trying to say.

The manga gets glorified way too much. It isn't perfect.
 

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Seen said:
The manga gets glorified way too much. It isn't perfect.
I think it comes from people thinking that the Sailor Moon manga is 100% true to Naoko Takeuchi's vision, so it gets treated as the word of god for that reason. In reality though, there's evidence of executive meddling, it was completley rushed in order to conicide with the anime (as implied in the 20th anniversay special), and people will always downplay Fumio Osano's influence on the manga.

I'm not saying I don't love the manga, I think there are some really fantastic ideas in it that the new anime should follow. That said, I don't think the new anime will have any sucess if it's a carbon copy of it.
 
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Seen said:
The manga gets glorified way too much.
Thank you! finally someone who feels how I do about the manga, yes the manga is good but not perfect, it has it's flaws too
that's why the new anime while following closer to the manga should also be original too and since this is new it has a chance to take the best of all previous versions not just the manga

anyways closer to the topic:
the new series definitely should give all the girls equal air time not just glorifying SM/chibimoon all the time
the inners should take out any youma that appears in an ep about which ever individual senshi it's focusing on period. In those eps SM should be the one to weaken that MOTD.
My opinion
 

Maetch

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Prince Rose said:
anyways closer to the topic:
the new series definitely should give all the girls equal air time not just glorifying SM/chibimoon all the time
the inners should take out any youma that appears in an ep about which ever individual senshi it's about period. In those eps SM should be the one to weaken that MOTD.
My opinion
Better yet, if any Sailor (barring Usagi) has no actual role in a MOTD episode's plot, she should not appear, PERIOD.
 
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Maetch said:
Prince Rose said:
anyways closer to the topic:
the new series definitely should give all the girls equal air time not just glorifying SM/chibimoon all the time
the inners should take out any youma that appears in an ep about which ever individual senshi it's about period. In those eps SM should be the one to weaken that MOTD.
My opinion
Better yet, if any Sailor (barring Usagi) has no actual role in a MOTD episode's plot, she should not appear, PERIOD.
that works too :o
 
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Maetch said:
Prince Rose said:
anyways closer to the topic:
the new series definitely should give all the girls equal air time not just glorifying SM/chibimoon all the time
the inners should take out any youma that appears in an ep about which ever individual senshi it's about period. In those eps SM should be the one to weaken that MOTD.
My opinion
Better yet, if any Sailor (barring Usagi) has no actual role in a MOTD episode's plot, she should not appear, PERIOD.
Or even better yet, not barring Usagi. The events of any given episode should be completely flexible, everything should be delt with in whatever way that happens to make for the most interesting plot. In each particular episode, characters should be free to interact, or not interact with any other character. Any repetitive element of structure should serve some dramatic/thematic purpose, as soon as anything doesn't it should be dropped or at least relaxed.
 
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I will like to see Luna and Artemis as shapeshfters in the new series. Even if Luna and Artiemis are shapeshifters, they will remain in their cat forms likely for their own convenience. Luna and Artemis will able to transform into their normal human forms. Unfortunately whenever they transform into their normal human forms, they will be naked. Likely Luna and Artemis may have the power to put on some type of clothing when they transforms back into their normal selves.
 
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This is what I hope for the new anime; =^_^=

1) The animation style/art is consistent every episode. I Love the original anime, but the animation/art always changed from episode to episode. I'm sure different studios or artists were rotated from episode to episode. I would like to see this changed.
2) I love the henshins and beautiful animations for their attacks, but I would like to see more martial arts, and real time attacks used vs abusing recycled animations. This made the battles grow stale in the old anime.
i.e: :o
Monster shows up.. One of the inner senshi prove useless... then Neptune and Uranus attack ~ Sailor Moon heals. or in Stars replace the Out senshi with the Starlights.
3) I hope America doesn't butcher the show this time..
4) The Outer Senshi are given more individualized attacks.. I mean, the beginning animations are different, but the end results is a floating orb with a ring around it. >.>; I always wished they had been made a little more different from each other.
 
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here's something else I think would be an improvement

when chiba shows up he should do something else instead of the whole rose throw/save SM/say a speech/tell SM to attack/ after MOTD is gone fly away routine, he should at least do some fighting himself and use his attacks from the manga, it's not like he's gonna upstage SM since she will do her part too :o
 
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Prince Rose said:
here's something else I think would be an improvement

when chiba shows up he should do something else instead of the whole rose throw/save SM/say a speech/tell SM to attack/ after MOTD is gone fly away routine, he should at least do some fighting himself and use his attacks from the manga, it's not like he's gonna upstage SM since she will do her part too :o
He'll upstage the other :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie:
 

Boro

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Yeah. Because it's totally impossible to be creative and just ditch the monster of the day staple they sticked to through 200 freakin episodes! There is a certain limit on how many variations you can pull off. I have yet to see an episode when they have to fight on multiple fronts, I'm at episode 71 11 minutes 53 seconds in and I have yet to see a demonic invasion of a proper scale above <max_number_of_current_heroes>. I have yet to see them discovering a chaos/evil cult trying to summon a demon for whatever nefarious purposes they have. I have yet to see aliens actually invading (I mean how in hell did Ali and Ann get away with that GIANT TREE?). mycetyc spore pods so numerous that they blot out the sky. I have yet to see any situation actually progressing beyond the sailor soldiers (and tux, and That Pink Spore). But are they... you know... soldiers? They don't seem to have a consistently strong level of combat skill, before the retarded techfest known as the rest of the seasons (starting with SM:Return) happens, but then things go off the scale (of reason) for no particular reason.

The best fight I have seen was Day of Destiny when the doom and gloom girls wiped the icy floor with the sailors. Just because it felt so real. It felt like what "SHOULD" have happened in all the other fights if the enemies actually grew some balls and decided to use their corrupted negabrains. I throughly enjoyed them using actual tactics, such as distraction first with the illusions, then focusing fire on the sailors, taking them out one by one, and if Beryl actually had that good villain pragmatism with her, and sent another batch of blood thirsty demons when Sailor Moon was alone, or even dropped her into the icy ocean (since she HAD control over her flight! she transported her into her negalair.) So when the combat was going on, I was actually cheering for the DD team, because they were so freaking awesome. But then plot armor kicks in, Rei pulls off a heroic sacrifice and finishes off another... duh.

Well, long things short, if they can simply ramp up the villains' efficency, and monster amount, they can give the other heroes more opportunities to shine. And even some actual tension.
 
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boromonokli said:
Yeah. Because it's totally impossible to be creative and just ditch the monster of the day staple they sticked to through 200 freakin episodes! There is a certain limit on how many variations you can pull off. I have yet to see an episode when they have to fight on multiple fronts, I'm at episode 71 11 minutes 53 seconds in and I have yet to see a demonic invasion of a proper scale above <max_number_of_current_heroes>. I have yet to see them discovering a chaos/evil cult trying to summon a demon for whatever nefarious purposes they have. I have yet to see aliens actually invading (I mean how in hell did Ali and Ann get away with that GIANT TREE?). mycetyc spore pods so numerous that they blot out the sky. I have yet to see any situation actually progressing beyond the sailor soldiers (and tux, and That Pink Spore). But are they... you know... soldiers? They don't seem to have a consistently strong level of combat skill, before the retarded techfest known as the rest of the seasons (starting with SM:Return) happens, but then things go off the scale (of reason) for no particular reason.

The best fight I have seen was Day of Destiny when the doom and gloom girls wiped the icy floor with the sailors. Just because it felt so real. It felt like what "SHOULD" have happened in all the other fights if the enemies actually grew some balls and decided to use their corrupted negabrains. I throughly enjoyed them using actual tactics, such as distraction first with the illusions, then focusing fire on the sailors, taking them out one by one, and if Beryl actually had that good villain pragmatism with her, and sent another batch of blood thirsty demons when Sailor Moon was alone, or even dropped her into the icy ocean (since she HAD control over her flight! she transported her into her negalair.) So when the combat was going on, I was actually cheering for the DD team, because they were so freaking awesome. But then plot armor kicks in, Rei pulls off a heroic sacrifice and finishes off another... duh.

Well, long things short, if they can simply ramp up the villains' efficency, and monster amount, they can give the other heroes more opportunities to shine. And even some actual tension.
You'll see this more in the R movie, episodes 124 and 125 of S and the 1st, 5th and 6th episodes of Stars . Unfortunately these are rare quality battle scenarios. Its best you skip the whole season of SuperS if your looking for intellectual combat.
 
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There are two main problems with this;
1) The monster of the day scenario.
The show did stray from this from time to time.. i.e the first Stars ark. But for the most part, it got a bit stale.
2) recycled animations.
The animations for henshins and attacks were great, they looked beautiful, and every fan got psyched about them when they first watched the series. And I wont lie, each time I saw a new one, it was awesome. But, they didn't change them up enough for 5 seasons.
The show needed more real time battles, more martial arts.
PGSM delivered on this more than the anime did in my opinion.
And the Outer senshi (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto) had attacks that ended in same animation, but different colors. ^_^'
If the new anime gets to the point of the Outer Senshi, I think their attacks should be made more individualized.
 
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boromonokli said:
ALL THE STUFF ABOUT GETTING RID OFF MOTD
This is the heel of the anime, if only the episodes were allowed to do one thing well instead of transitioning back and forth between the normal lives of the characters and the obligatory monster shenanigans. I always envisioned Sailor Moon as the kind of thing that would build up aspects of the characters normal lives, explore that throughout the earlier episodes and then focus more on the kingdoms and such as it went on, becoming grander and scope as it went on while basing its drama on the characters' personal issues and how they end up impacting the world. The MOTD format does get broken quite a few times, but never completely, and the negative impact it has on the drama is just so stupid that I wonder how many times the people making the anime brought up the idea of relaxing it, only to get shot down by management.

P.S. If you're up to ep 71, good on ya for sticking with it this far. From here on the show will end up with more episodes that focus on the kinds of scenarios you'll probably like, congratulations for making it through all of that post silver crystal filler.
 
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Thats my biggest complaint about the Magna/Anime. If you arent Serena/Rini/Darien (will forever use dub names) then you are mostly in the background and dont get that much development. Plus they become less and less important as the seasons go on. The Inners shouldve been the last line of defense in Stars instead of being the first to go.
 

haifen

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If you're at ep 71 and you're already tired of this then you may as well give up on the series lol. As it sounds you're already not a fan of the way the anime goes. While yes, the manga does have flaws, it at least didn't need filler and explored the more fatty parts of its story in a plot moving way. That said, SuperS is actually my favorite season with S simply because it handles a lot of its fillers hilariously. A few suck though. I already hate Ami and skip the episode where she can YAY FIX CAR COS SHE R GEENYUS. Mina's two timing, Diana's debut ep, Mako dancing with Ami and Naru's date with Tiger's Eye are all episodes I adore and that's just the Amazon Trio arc.

cliff notes: Fillers aren't bad, per se... some just suck when they have nothing to do with ANYTHING. Chibi Usa and the Loch Ness Monster, anyone?
 
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As much as I would love the other senshi to have more focus, I doubt it will happen. The main character in general will get the most focus. It's practically a fact. I'm just lucky that in Sailor Moon's case, Usagi is one of my favorite characters.

I like to call this situation "Main Character Syndrome" where the main character has everything laid out which becomes boring after a while so people become more drawn to the secondary/minor characters who are less developed and more of a challenge to figure out that usually have a more interesting personality/background. Even though I said Usagi is one of my favorites, she isn't my absolute(Ami will always have that spot). It's rare for the main character to be my absolute favorite.
 
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The first series did tried to focus on the other Sailor Scouts. One of the episode was about when Mina was Sailor V. Unfortunately, this episode was not seen in the United States. There was an episode which focus on the best friend of Lita's

I have notice that some PGSM's episode did focus on one of the Sailor Scouts. In one PGSM episode, Amy was having a problem with her mother. Amy's mother had wanted Amy to transferred to another high school.

I will like to have episodes which center around one of the Sailor Senshi. Each episode allows us to get to know more about the background of each character.