Toon Makers (Saban Moon) Sailor Moon pilot?

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saintfighteraqua

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Of course they are, but that still doesn’t change the fact that Toonmakers decided to make Rei the designated “Asian one” of the group in their version, so she must have somehow come off as more “Japanesey” than the rest of them.
I know exactly what you mean.Coded might be the wrong word but you are right, Rei is by far the most Japanese of the girls. Her role as a miko, traditional Japanese beauty, possibly the most traditional. Even in the Dic dub where it was supposedly in America early on, it was fairly obvious Rei /Raye was Japanese.
 
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I wonder what the Outers what have been like had they appear?
According to the interview they wanted an ethnically diverse cast.

Just speculating but I would guess :setsuna: would have been of middle eastern descent. :mihiru: would have been just like the recent Ariel from the new Little Mermaid. :haruka: they probably would have kept white with :hotaru: being southeast asian.
 

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You should see a thread similar to this one as someone made a comment with the :mako: actress making a simian grin years ago. That took like 13 pages of a verbal tennis match. It was quite an interesting exchange of ideas. :mischief:
Where can I watch the famous simian grin?

I pee myself laughing, is that shot of the five of them holding their hands? :quagmire: She had a prominent low jaw.
 
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First of all @raymona thank you. I'm going to be honest. I only looked at the pilot and not the entirety of your videos, so I don't have a full context of all the work you did, but I applaud you for finding this treasure trove and sharing it.

That said, I'm just going to add my thoughts to the material because I am not reading dozens of pages of discussion.

My first impression of this was...this wasn't that bad. It's not good, but there seemed to be some competency in the production. I thought the live-action sequences would have been worse. The hybrid model doesn't seem quite as bad in this pilot, but I still think it would have doomed the series.

I'm stunned that the proto-names were used in this production, and presumably this was the source of them. It only gives me more appreciation to the Optimum dub for going with new names. However, the footage indicated that the dub-only idea of Princess Serena being betrothed to Prince Darien started here,

Much was made of the appearances, I'm surprised that they seemed to switch the personalities around as well. Seeing as it was the mid-90's, I was sure Jupiter was going to be the Sassy Black Friend as this was before the rise of the blerds (remember, "Urkel" used to be an INSULT). Instead, they made her the brains. Mars is the complete tomboy, which fits since Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. That left Mercury as the reckless daredevil of the group. I actually like this concept. Even if some people would cry about "political correctness" at the same time these characters would subvert a lot of stereotypes of the era. In the hands of some good showrunners, these characters would be even more well-rounded than the anime girls, although it was not likely for that to happen. I love canon Jupiter, but I think if this had been made, Toonmaker's Jupiter would have probably been my favorite. I'd probably have started thinking of crossing over this cartoon with Captain Planet, though.

Finally, even though the transformations were low-budget, the CGI used for Sailor Moon's transformation was extremely good for its time. It's better than the much hyped Real Adventures of Jonny Quest.

Even as less than ideal as this pilot is, it's better than American Darkstalkers. Now I wish we had an all animated-version of this.
Because we all know the American Darkstalkers came out of Satan's butt and the American Mortal Kombat and Street fighter cartoons weren't very far behind.
 
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According to the interview they wanted an ethnically diverse cast.

Just speculating but I would guess :setsuna: would have been of middle eastern descent. :mihiru: would have been just like the recent Ariel from the new Little Mermaid. :haruka: they probably would have kept white with :hotaru: being southeast asian.
Since they wanted them to be diverse, I could see Setsuna being Middle Eastern or even Native American.

Michiru would probably be Italian.

Haruka would be from United Kingdom

Hmmm.. Hotaru could be Filipina.
 
I could see their version of Setsuna also actually being their version of Ramua... either Setsuna or Hotaru, since we tend to associate Saturn with Time instead of Pluto.

The outers themselves could be Foreign Exchange students to justify going the extra mile, aside from who'd basically be Ramua, I wouldn't know which countries the other three would be from because I wouldn't know a lot about them or, as one user has pointed out, it could be insensitive just to say who could be from which country (with exception to Saturn or Pluto as basically a Youma, if a show in the 2000s got to pass off a planet that show made up as a country without any in-universe giggles, I'm sure the same could be said for Who'd ever be Ramua.)

Whoever does get to have/be Ramua, I think that'd be a very interesting double agent plot there, though. with Time Powers and whatnot as well.

all my thoughts getting jumbled up, firing a million miles an hour.
 
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Haruka would be from United Kingdom
Yeah. I could see (or in this case hear) her as British, Australian or a kiwi from New Zealand. Possbily even Irish.



Where can I watch the famous simian grin?

I pee myself laughing, is that shot of the five of them holding their hands? :quagmire: She had a prominent low jaw.
The admins were so................ excessively lenient back then. :dance:
 
This thread is getting racially insensitive. Contain yourselves a little bit, we like this forum indexed on Google as it is :roll:
I don't want this thread to get sent to the cauldron.
 
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This thread is getting racially insensitive. Contain yourselves a little bit, we like this forum indexed on Google as it is :roll:
I think this forum is still indexed under hentai. :zoid: