Toru Furaya (Mamoru 90’s) in court

[ChampionOfNuggets]

Your point about Demande also made me think about how the inverse of these situations don't usually happen. As in, we all feel weird today about rewatching Mamoru's scenes because fo the actions of the actor behind them, but we do not feel weird about the actor for Demande who played a character who was on screen doing similar actions.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, and if I am I apologize in advance, but why in the flying [BLEEP] would we feel weird about the actor for Demande playing a character trying to commit sexual assault? Anyone with two brains cells and is over the age of 5 should be able to understand the difference between an actor playing an heinous character and an actor being a heinous person in real life.

Demande is a fictional character. He does not represent Kaneto Shiozawa as a person.

Toru Furaya is an an actual human being who comitted sexual assault and emotional abuse. Mamoru is a fictional character but it's at least somewhat understandable if fans are having trouble separating him from his actor because of the REAL LIFE actions of said actor.

 

[Yamoon]

Are you seriously victim blaming her?

I mean to read that in 2024 is beyond any hope right… ?

 

[Psajdak]

I don't want to get involved in this thread at all but

Talking about the perpetrator where you try to explain their behavior in such a humanizing way [talking about how his actions could have been from some sort of insecurity] while ALSO being so harsh on the victim, making comparisons between them and animals and talking about them as if they should've had the capabilities of some idealized fictional character, especially in this context, is NOT a good look. Even if you're simply trying to provide a different perspective.

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Furuya is voice of classic anime heroes, but in no way am I trying to fight for him, or put all the blame on that lover of his.

For me at least personally, it's easy to forget, but he is a world wide known Japanese voice actor, who had fairly easy life (compare to other jobs), is rich enough to have a villa, and more than anything else, doesn't even know I exist.

I don't wanna get into the heated argument with others, or get a ban on this site, just because we disagree with each other.

For this kind of topic, I would really need to talk with people in person face to face, where others can not only read, or read what I say, but see my eyes, and my face, otherwise it doesn't mean anything.

- As for that woman, what can I say, for me, she will never be innocent in this story.

You people see her as a victim, and I see her as a weak and foolish woman who allowed herself to be controlled, and manipulated by some perverted old man.

Let me put it this way, if she was braver, and resisted more, went to police at the very least, DID SOMETHING AT LEAST, I think no abortion would have happenend.

You all using that term that I hate so much, "victim blaming", is not a damn good thing!

The real help is not to lick another person's wounds, but to encourage them to grow a thicker skin, and sharpen their claws, and fangs.

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"Providing a different perspective..."

It is the ONLY perspective in this cruel world of ours; if you allow others to do what they want, if you allow so-called "allies" to see you as a victim, you will lose many things.

I know I did a long time ago.

 

[Mathiwn]

I'm of the opinion that the 90s anime's enjoyment since the first time we watched it doesn't suddenly becomes cancelled because of the actor's actions that have been revealed... I certainly will think twice if I'm interested in watching something and it has him in the cast, but I'll prefer to see his past work simply as work. Like a labourer who fixed a hole in my all or something.

Also, I'd really like to think, as bad as some discussions can get on this forum, we can all be capable of being more realistic and empathetic about this situation instead of victim-blaming and writing long dissertations trying to rationalize this viewpoint.

 

[YuYu Yuichiro]

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Furuya is voice of classic anime heroes, but in no way am I trying to fight for him, or put all the blame on that lover of his.

For me at least personally, it's easy to forget, but he is a world wide known Japanese voice actor, who had fairly easy life (compare to other jobs), is rich enough to have a villa, and more than anything else, doesn't even know I exist.

I don't wanna get into the heated argument with others, or get a ban on this site, just because we disagree with each other.

For this kind of topic, I would really need to talk with people in person face to face, where others can not only read, or read what I say, but see my eyes, and my face, otherwise it doesn't mean anything.

- As for that woman, what can I say, for me, she will never be innocent in this story.

You people see her as a victim, and I see her as a weak and foolish woman who allowed herself to be controlled, and manipulated by some perverted old man.

Let me put it this way, if she was braver, and resisted more, went to police at the very least, DID SOMETHING AT LEAST, I think no abortion would have happenend.

You all using that term that I hate so much, "victim blaming", is not a damn good thing!

The real help is not to lick another person's wounds, but to encourage them to grow a thicker skin, and sharpen their claws, and fangs.

...

"Providing a different perspective..."

It is the ONLY perspective in this cruel world of ours; if you allow others to do what they want, if you allow so-called "allies" to see you as a victim, you will lose many things.

I know I did a long time ago.

Oh yeah, I tried to delete that because I ultimately decided I didn't want to get involved but since you put it here anyways.

I don't want to get involved in this thread at all but

Talking about the perpetrator where you try to explain their behavior in such a humanizing way while ALSO being so harsh on the victim, making comparisons between them and animals and talking about them as if they should've had the capabilities of some idealized fictional character, especially in this context, is not a good look. Even if you're simply trying to provide a different perspective.

Furuya is voice of classic anime heroes, but in no way am I trying to fight for him, or put all the blame on that lover of his.

To be clear I wasn't saying you were trying to fight for him. But if you talk about the guy in a humanizing way, you should treat the woman the same way. You were making comparisons between her and an animal and saying she should have been this perfect ideal person. That's not really acknowledging that she could also have human weaknesses. It's kinda "dehumanizing" actually.

The real help is not to lick another person's wounds, but to encourage them to grow a thicker skin, and sharpen their claws, and fangs.

I doubt she looks at this forum. You talking about her here isn't encouraging her. You're not helping.

It is the ONLY perspective in this cruel world of ours; if you allow others to do what they want, if you allow so-called "allies" to see you as a victim, you will lose many things.

Maybe I should have said opinion instead of "perspective". But if it so happens to be the same difference: No, it's not. If it were, we wouldn't be arguing. Also, give me an example of what you're talking about in that latter bit. That would be really help me understand what you're trying to say.

 

[Lady Pen]

I only have one thing to say: My work has always taught me to separate the art from the artist, which means that all my judgments about him will be based on his work and not his private life. Justice will take care of applying the appropriate charges.

His work has always been impeccable.

 

[sailormoongalaxy]

I only have one thing to say: My work has always taught me to separate the art from the artist, which means that all my judgments about him will be based on his work and not his private life. Justice will take care of applying the appropriate charges.

His work has always been impeccable.

The same. I don't care about his private life, what interests me is his work. And anyway, I have never given the least credit to the private lives of stars... They do what they want. You have to know how to dissociate the artist and the human.

 

[ChampionOfNuggets]

The same. I don't care about his private life, what interests me is his work. And anyway, I have never given the least credit to the private lives of stars... They do what they want. You have to know how to dissociate the artist and the human.

And this smooth brain mindset is why shitty people in power continue to do shitty things.

This isn't about Furuya being into some weird consensual sex stuff or supporting a political party you disagree with this is him taking advantage of a fan's admiration for him to sexually assault her and then coerce her into an abortion to save his ass.

"Disassociate the artist from the human" does not work when said human uses his pull as an artist to be in a position of power to abuse people like that.

And since I'll probably need to clarify, knowing this forum, by no means should you feel bad for enjoying work he has already done (especially to my knowledge anime voice actors don't get residuals?) but going "who cares? Its his private life, he should continue to voice act because I like his acting uwu" is an asinine take to have on the matter.

 

[Maraviollantes]

Locking the thread, since people here apparently cannot discuss it without resorting to personal attacks.

 

[Dr. Xadium]

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Furuya is voice of classic anime heroes, but in no way am I trying to fight for him, or put all the blame on that lover of his.

For me at least personally, it's easy to forget, but he is a world wide known Japanese voice actor, who had fairly easy life (compare to other jobs), is rich enough to have a villa, and more than anything else, doesn't even know I exist.

I don't wanna get into the heated argument with others, or get a ban on this site, just because we disagree with each other.

For this kind of topic, I would really need to talk with people in person face to face, where others can not only read, or read what I say, but see my eyes, and my face, otherwise it doesn't mean anything.

- As for that woman, what can I say, for me, she will never be innocent in this story.

You people see her as a victim, and I see her as a weak and foolish woman who allowed herself to be controlled, and manipulated by some perverted old man.

Let me put it this way, if she was braver, and resisted more, went to police at the very least, DID SOMETHING AT LEAST, I think no abortion would have happenend.

You all using that term that I hate so much, "victim blaming", is not a damn good thing!

The real help is not to lick another person's wounds, but to encourage them to grow a thicker skin, and sharpen their claws, and fangs.

...

"Providing a different perspective..."

It is the ONLY perspective in this cruel world of ours; if you allow others to do what they want, if you allow so-called "allies" to see you as a victim, you will lose many things.

I know I did a long time ago.

...
Furuya is voice of classic anime heroes, but in no way am I trying to fight for him, or put all the blame on that lover of his.

For me at least personally, it's easy to forget, but he is a world wide known Japanese voice actor, who had fairly easy life (compare to other jobs), is rich enough to have a villa, and more than anything else, doesn't even know I exist.

I don't wanna get into the heated argument with others, or get a ban on this site, just because we disagree with each other.

For this kind of topic, I would really need to talk with people in person face to face, where others can not only read, or read what I say, but see my eyes, and my face, otherwise it doesn't mean anything.

- As for that woman, what can I say, for me, she will never be innocent in this story.

You people see her as a victim, and I see her as a weak and foolish woman who allowed herself to be controlled, and manipulated by some perverted old man.

Let me put it this way, if she was braver, and resisted more, went to police at the very least, DID SOMETHING AT LEAST, I think no abortion would have happenend.

You all using that term that I hate so much, "victim blaming", is not a damn good thing!

The real help is not to lick another person's wounds, but to encourage them to grow a thicker skin, and sharpen their claws, and fangs.

...

"Providing a different perspective..."

It is the ONLY perspective in this cruel world of ours; if you allow others to do what they want, if you allow so-called "allies" to see you as a victim, you will lose many things.

I know I did a long time ago.

Unlocking for a second because I need to reply here.



I'm not going to dignify this garbage with a breakdown of why it's wrong. I'll just put it plainly. I don't need, nor want this level of incel garbage on my site. I tend to stay hands off, but I saw this and it has offended me greatly. If you don't leave, I will ban you. This isn't the mods talking, it's me as the owner talking.