I don't know how to reply to this post, so I will just say that nowadays I find Haruka to be super sexy, and hot.
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Yeah but he still has more of a personality than his counterpart in the 90’s anime ironically enough, who was made into just another Jadeite 2.0 and was absolutely abusive garbage to poor Koan.
You’re right about that, but I really doubt they’re meant to be gay men in the manga since Fish-Eye at least tries to kiss Ami. Most likely the “Okama” term that Naoko refers to them in her Materials Collection is meant to indicate they’re either trans or cross-dressers. (Which Hawks-Eye pretty much does in the manga)
Eh to be fair their relationship is somewhat developed in that one Exam Battle side story where Minako goes to Rei’s school for a day, it’s not much but it’s something. But I agree that if you haven’t read the side-stories their relationship does come out of nowhere in Stars.
Except again she does also blush over Rei during their Exam Battle chapter, and while you’re right that she’s mostly paralleled with Haruka in terms of them both being the leaders of their respective teams I believe she’s also paralleled with her in terms of feelings for Usagi. Many times Minako thinks of Usagi as “her most important person,” she’s frequently portrayed as her knight in shining armor and is the Senshi that gets the most shipping subtext with her in the manga outside of Haruka and Seiya. (Rei comes right after ironically enough due to Usagi immediately crushing on her during her introduction chapter and that “Mars making a vow of chastity to Princess Serenity thing”, even though Reisagi is more of a thing in the 90’s anime)
Naoko also drew this illustration of Usagi and Mina…
Taking all this in tandem together with the Mimette thing I would say it’s not a stretch to interpret Manga Minako as bi. And while the Reinako ship might seem poorly developed in the manga, don’t forget that they’re also a thing in PGSM (which Naoko was said to have heavy involvement in) and much better developed there too I might add.
Everyone already knows this, the question is was it mostly because of the 90’s anime or did the manga also contribute to it’s fame and notoriety in any significant way?
Was that not why the Makai Tree filler arc was created though? To give Naoko a chance to catch up to the anime and create the next arc?
Saphir and Demande say hi. (Very much debatable with Demande true but he’s at the very least coded as bi with this scene right here:
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Also I would argue Fish-Eye was made queer too, made a queer male at least. Considering they’re shown trying to kiss Ami while Tigers-Eye goes for Rei and Hawks-Eye is straight up crossdressing in the manga I suspect the “Okama” term Naoko uses to refer to them is meant to imply they’re trans (either transvestites or actual trans people) rather than gay/bi men.
I meant it was taken out in Crystal, not the manga. Sorry if that wasn’t made clear.
She’s seriously said this? Source please? That’s rich considering Haruka in the manga only exists to be shipping bait for Usagi and Michiru is barely even a character.
You’re right about that, but I really doubt they’re meant to be gay men in the manga since Fish-Eye at least tries to kiss Ami. Most likely the “Okama” term that Naoko refers to them in her Materials Collection is meant to indicate they’re either trans or cross-dressers. (Which Hawks-Eye pretty much does in the manga)
Eh to be fair their relationship is somewhat developed in that one Exam Battle side story where Minako goes to Rei’s school for a day, it’s not much but it’s something. But I agree that if you haven’t read the side-stories their relationship does come out of nowhere in Stars.
Except again she does also blush over Rei during their Exam Battle chapter, and while you’re right that she’s mostly paralleled with Haruka in terms of them both being the leaders of their respective teams I believe she’s also paralleled with her in terms of feelings for Usagi. Many times Minako thinks of Usagi as “her most important person,” she’s frequently portrayed as her knight in shining armor and is the Senshi that gets the most shipping subtext with her in the manga outside of Haruka and Seiya. (Rei comes right after ironically enough due to Usagi immediately crushing on her during her introduction chapter and that “Mars making a vow of chastity to Princess Serenity thing”, even though Reisagi is more of a thing in the 90’s anime)
Naoko also drew this illustration of Usagi and Mina…
Taking all this in tandem together with the Mimette thing I would say it’s not a stretch to interpret Manga Minako as bi. And while the Reinako ship might seem poorly developed in the manga, don’t forget that they’re also a thing in PGSM (which Naoko was said to have heavy involvement in) and much better developed there too I might add.
Everyone already knows this, the question is was it mostly because of the 90’s anime or did the manga also contribute to it’s fame and notoriety in any significant way?
Was that not why the Makai Tree filler arc was created though? To give Naoko a chance to catch up to the anime and create the next arc?
Saphir and Demande say hi. (Very much debatable with Demande true but he’s at the very least coded as bi with this scene right here:
Also I would argue Fish-Eye was made queer too, made a queer male at least. Considering they’re shown trying to kiss Ami while Tigers-Eye goes for Rei and Hawks-Eye is straight up crossdressing in the manga I suspect the “Okama” term Naoko uses to refer to them is meant to imply they’re trans (either transvestites or actual trans people) rather than gay/bi men.
I meant it was taken out in Crystal, not the manga. Sorry if that wasn’t made clear.
She’s seriously said this? Source please? That’s rich considering Haruka in the manga only exists to be shipping bait for Usagi and Michiru is barely even a character.
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Wow, I knew characterization was not her strong suit as a writer, but this comment makes it seem she is incapable of grasping what makes a character good even as a viewer. Yikes.
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It's in the same post I wrote:
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Soooo interesting. I never ever thought about such hierarchy before. Excellent point. Now Pluto and Saturn pseudo absence in Stars makes sense to me. Crikey!
Oh, I'd like to read an analytical essay of yours about SM. That'd be heaven. This is quality content. Are you writing all this kind of things on another site? If you do so, PM me please.
And ignore the members calling you names. You'll have realised that their lives depend on the reputation of Takeuchi's career as a manga artist and the Sailor Moon manga's biblical aura they've been spreading over the years. When someone take those things away they experience an existential vacuum.
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Soooo interesting. I never ever thought about such hierarchy before. Excellent point. Now Pluto and Saturn pseudo absence in Stars makes sense to me. Crikey!
Oh, I'd like to read an analytical essay of yours about SM. That'd be heaven. This is quality content. Are you writing all this kind of things on another site? If you do so, PM me please.
And ignore the members calling you names. You'll have realised that their lives depend on the reputation of Takeuchi's career as a manga artist and the Sailor Moon manga's biblical aura they've been spreading over the years. When someone take those things away they experience an existential vacuum.
I've realised that many fans haven't read the comments Naoko wrote in the tankoubans. If they had done that there wouldn't have been such a lack of information.
I understand many couldn't buy them back in the day or also most of the comments weren't translated in the 90's, and were omitted in some old editions.
I understand many couldn't buy them back in the day or also most of the comments weren't translated in the 90's, and were omitted in some old editions.
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Also push for it to be a sticky thread.
There's already one for those punch comics right? Sticky that too.
There's already one for those punch comics right? Sticky that too.
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Revisiting the Tokyopop Manga
"Here is the fourth arc of Sailor Moon. I've heard a lot of people ask, "What about Uranus? And Neptune? Can't we see them [again]?" These new soldiers have really become very popular (yet in the TV version of Sailor Moon S (sic) they were just cast aside... I was very saddened, sniff!)."
Naoko accuses the anime of "casting aside" the Outers (she uses the word "poi," an adverb meaning "carelessly" or "lightly" and usually used to describe something being thrown). She says "Sailor Moon S," but based on context, she may have meant SuperS. In any case, her complaint is not that the anime's characterization of Uranus and Neptune was "superficial," but that she felt they weren't given enough love and attention, which is hardly a controversial opinion coming from the original author who is obviously going to be more protective and possessive over her characters, especially without the distance of time. But some people on this forum would have nothing to do if they couldn't manufacture outrage about Naoko.
"Here is the fourth arc of Sailor Moon. I've heard a lot of people ask, "What about Uranus? And Neptune? Can't we see them [again]?" These new soldiers have really become very popular (yet in the TV version of Sailor Moon S (sic) they were just cast aside... I was very saddened, sniff!)."
Naoko accuses the anime of "casting aside" the Outers (she uses the word "poi," an adverb meaning "carelessly" or "lightly" and usually used to describe something being thrown). She says "Sailor Moon S," but based on context, she may have meant SuperS. In any case, her complaint is not that the anime's characterization of Uranus and Neptune was "superficial," but that she felt they weren't given enough love and attention, which is hardly a controversial opinion coming from the original author who is obviously going to be more protective and possessive over her characters, especially without the distance of time. But some people on this forum would have nothing to do if they couldn't manufacture outrage about Naoko.
She must have meant SuperS then because it doesn’t make any sense to complain over Haruka and Michiru not getting enough attention in S when one of the chief complaints about S as a season was that it sidelined the Inners and the Outers took over the show.
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I'd like to. I got the old 18 volumes + old 3 volumes of Sailor V from Mandarake. She talks about Sera Myu influencing on the manga, for example and a lot of interesting things.
By the way, I'm gonna PM you. I have the video I promised. I won't post it on the forum because the Norma's editor in chief has social media. Someone could attack her.... calling her names.....
It's the video when Norma couldn't release volume 4 (Jupiter's cover) of the manga, because of the lack of organisation of you-know-who for approving different references.
By the way, I'm gonna PM you. I have the video I promised. I won't post it on the forum because the Norma's editor in chief has social media. Someone could attack her.... calling her names.....
It's the video when Norma couldn't release volume 4 (Jupiter's cover) of the manga, because of the lack of organisation of you-know-who for approving different references.
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OMG... The face she makes when she talks about Jupiter's "wood green"... Talk about a tired woman 
She says CLAMP is also difficult in that regard, which I also expected. But I never heard of Cardcaptor Sakura manga volumes taking 4/5 years to get approval in smaller markets. Actually, Sakura was one of the first popular manga titles in Brazil. I have the complete Deluxe edition on my shelf.
Our Princess-hime is unbeatable when it comes to disrespect towards foreign companies and the audience!
She says CLAMP is also difficult in that regard, which I also expected. But I never heard of Cardcaptor Sakura manga volumes taking 4/5 years to get approval in smaller markets. Actually, Sakura was one of the first popular manga titles in Brazil. I have the complete Deluxe edition on my shelf.
Our Princess-hime is unbeatable when it comes to disrespect towards foreign companies and the audience!
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OMG... The face she makes when she talks about Jupiter's "wood green"... Talk about a tired woman
She says CLAMP is also difficult in that regard, which I also expected. But I never heard of Cardcaptor Sakura manga volumes taking 4/5 years to get approval in smaller markets. Actually, Sakura was one of the first popular manga titles in Brazil. I have the complete Deluxe edition on my shelf.
Our Princess-hime is unbeatable when it comes to disrespect towards foreign companies and the audience!
She says CLAMP is also difficult in that regard, which I also expected. But I never heard of Cardcaptor Sakura manga volumes taking 4/5 years to get approval in smaller markets. Actually, Sakura was one of the first popular manga titles in Brazil. I have the complete Deluxe edition on my shelf.
Our Princess-hime is unbeatable when it comes to disrespect towards foreign companies and the audience!
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I'm well aware of it, I'm sorry that, also considering the comments mentioned and present in the Tankobons, Naoko has imposed herself in this way on the production of the 90s anime.
As an emerging mangaka with the first success story, she should have been more humble, grit her teeth and wait for the times when she could have had her say.
However, as a fan of the manga, I would have really appreciated a different animated work and approach rather than settling for Crystal/eternal/cosmos.
I don't swallow how, even if Naoko is behind the supervision, such a poor quality product came out, for this reason I often doubt that she is actually behind everything, checking every detail, I would not have released a product of the gender neither on TV and cinema screens nor on the market or on the internet.
A style that has nothing to do with her one, disproportionate and sometimes inexpressive characters, often wooden and slow animations that leave nothing to empathy ...
Just for the sake of necessarily doing as she wants? However, something doesn't add up to me.
In the manga published in Italy for the first time there was a space dedicated to manga and anime reviews, where they mentioned how pq angels was already in Toei's interest to make it into an anime. I don't know if it was always just a rumor or not.
If I remember correctly the Japanese wikipedia explains how toei is in possession of a copy of the manuscripts.
It would be nice if Naoko filled those gaps that the few info contained in the manga leave us...
As an emerging mangaka with the first success story, she should have been more humble, grit her teeth and wait for the times when she could have had her say.
However, as a fan of the manga, I would have really appreciated a different animated work and approach rather than settling for Crystal/eternal/cosmos.
I don't swallow how, even if Naoko is behind the supervision, such a poor quality product came out, for this reason I often doubt that she is actually behind everything, checking every detail, I would not have released a product of the gender neither on TV and cinema screens nor on the market or on the internet.
A style that has nothing to do with her one, disproportionate and sometimes inexpressive characters, often wooden and slow animations that leave nothing to empathy ...
Just for the sake of necessarily doing as she wants? However, something doesn't add up to me.
In the manga published in Italy for the first time there was a space dedicated to manga and anime reviews, where they mentioned how pq angels was already in Toei's interest to make it into an anime. I don't know if it was always just a rumor or not.
If I remember correctly the Japanese wikipedia explains how toei is in possession of a copy of the manuscripts.
It would be nice if Naoko filled those gaps that the few info contained in the manga leave us...
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I remember that when Crystal was announced, there were rumors that Toei wanted to do a Precure-style reboot after the success of Saint Seiya Omega and was not interested in a manga-anime version and thus butted heads constantly with Takeuchi.
It was also reported that Sakou was surprised that she passed her interview and was taken as character designer because she believed she flunked said interview.
Character Designer interviews generally require the interviewee to come prepared with a portfolio of samples and is required on the spot to change, modify details or even can be asked to do a sample character on the spot. Yoshihiko Umakoshi, who was appointed as the Character Designer of Omega by Toei, had to go through this process.
As well as the overall poor polish of Sakou's settei art, the disastrous quality control over the Blu-Ray covers art - no it's not because they have 'Naoko Takeuchi-style' body language but actual problems; Jupiter has gigantic boobs for her body, Venus while anatomically is correct has been going to the gym with thick biceps and thighs that belong to Jupiter, the Black Lady cover is an anatomical mess, the last cover has a blatant error with only the Usagi/Mamoru and Neo Serenity/Endymion cover actually good.
All of that shows us a clear lack of quality control and interest over the product by Toei.
Crystal 3 had more care put into it but around half-way through the anime run every traffic and promotion around the product suddenly stopped.
It's clear by the ending that Toei was envisaging a TV sequel 1 year or 1 &1/2 year later.
But then Eternal went into a limbo for around a year with Takeuchi as supervisor.
While a lot of elements of the 90s were kept (henshins, stock attacks, character design), the story was a 1:1 - with not enough funds put into it and Usagi's (Takeuchi's favorite) being the ugly duck for the stocks (and by the looks of it, this hasn't changed in Cosmos) and even subtly slipping an Itoh-like Chibi Chibi shot in the Cosmos trailer - again signs that the relationship between Toei and Takeuchi is very sour.
Moreover, I can only suppose how much Takeuchi fell from high because the goods from Tadano's design were a success (moreso than the 2 movies as Toei mentions in its report), showing us that the Japanese public is more interested into the 90s anime than a possible anime adaptation of the manga.
Honestly, Takeuchi should have gone Kurumada's way - made a deal with Toei = they would be allowed to make their Precure reboot series to test the waters for the chances of a possible anime revival as grand as back in the 90s (which would have guaranteed us a year-long series from average to good overall quality for atleast 2 and a half years as they would have gone to adapt till Infinity to have the full Outer roster), while she would be promised to have an anime version of her work spanning over 10 years (a la Jojo anime) spanning through different medias such as TV series, Netflix premiering series and ending into a movie trilogy - just imagine if we would have had Aimer as the lead singer for the theme songs like she did for the Heaven's Feel trilogy - for Stars (while actively participating in adding story details to flesh out everything).
And who knows perhaps for the 30th anniversary, Toei could have made a sequel movie to the 90s anime with the original seiyuus reprising their roles. They did do it after all for Doremi and it was a much better financial success than Eternal and won Best Animation Film Award and was even screened in select overseas theatres.
If Takeuchi was indeed the mastermind of a behemoth business manager that people claim she is, she would have done something along those lines which would have:-
1) Allowed Sailor Moon to get a true revival as an anime series (more so needed since compared to Saint Seiya, Digimon or Precure, it doesn't have an endless reboot marketability; I doubt anyone would be interested in watching the adventures of Sailor Callisto or Sailor Thalassa...)
2) She would have finally had her desired good quality anime adaptation.
3) The anime series would still have a future.
But no and unlike for other anime series, I have never seen anyone enthusiastic on the anime staff. Only poor Kon was excited to work on it for Crystal 3. Sailor Moon Crystermos has had the right holders butt heads over creative decisions so much that everyone in the anime staff seems to want to get over it as quickly as possible and move on.
I checked the PQ Angels JP wikipedia page and no such thing is mentioned.
It only says that due to lack of fan letters (so I guess poor reception) and following an incident involving the loss of manuscripts, the serialization was terminated.
It was also reported that Sakou was surprised that she passed her interview and was taken as character designer because she believed she flunked said interview.
Character Designer interviews generally require the interviewee to come prepared with a portfolio of samples and is required on the spot to change, modify details or even can be asked to do a sample character on the spot. Yoshihiko Umakoshi, who was appointed as the Character Designer of Omega by Toei, had to go through this process.
As well as the overall poor polish of Sakou's settei art, the disastrous quality control over the Blu-Ray covers art - no it's not because they have 'Naoko Takeuchi-style' body language but actual problems; Jupiter has gigantic boobs for her body, Venus while anatomically is correct has been going to the gym with thick biceps and thighs that belong to Jupiter, the Black Lady cover is an anatomical mess, the last cover has a blatant error with only the Usagi/Mamoru and Neo Serenity/Endymion cover actually good.
All of that shows us a clear lack of quality control and interest over the product by Toei.
Crystal 3 had more care put into it but around half-way through the anime run every traffic and promotion around the product suddenly stopped.
It's clear by the ending that Toei was envisaging a TV sequel 1 year or 1 &1/2 year later.
But then Eternal went into a limbo for around a year with Takeuchi as supervisor.
While a lot of elements of the 90s were kept (henshins, stock attacks, character design), the story was a 1:1 - with not enough funds put into it and Usagi's (Takeuchi's favorite) being the ugly duck for the stocks (and by the looks of it, this hasn't changed in Cosmos) and even subtly slipping an Itoh-like Chibi Chibi shot in the Cosmos trailer - again signs that the relationship between Toei and Takeuchi is very sour.
Moreover, I can only suppose how much Takeuchi fell from high because the goods from Tadano's design were a success (moreso than the 2 movies as Toei mentions in its report), showing us that the Japanese public is more interested into the 90s anime than a possible anime adaptation of the manga.
Honestly, Takeuchi should have gone Kurumada's way - made a deal with Toei = they would be allowed to make their Precure reboot series to test the waters for the chances of a possible anime revival as grand as back in the 90s (which would have guaranteed us a year-long series from average to good overall quality for atleast 2 and a half years as they would have gone to adapt till Infinity to have the full Outer roster), while she would be promised to have an anime version of her work spanning over 10 years (a la Jojo anime) spanning through different medias such as TV series, Netflix premiering series and ending into a movie trilogy - just imagine if we would have had Aimer as the lead singer for the theme songs like she did for the Heaven's Feel trilogy - for Stars (while actively participating in adding story details to flesh out everything).
And who knows perhaps for the 30th anniversary, Toei could have made a sequel movie to the 90s anime with the original seiyuus reprising their roles. They did do it after all for Doremi and it was a much better financial success than Eternal and won Best Animation Film Award and was even screened in select overseas theatres.
If Takeuchi was indeed the mastermind of a behemoth business manager that people claim she is, she would have done something along those lines which would have:-
1) Allowed Sailor Moon to get a true revival as an anime series (more so needed since compared to Saint Seiya, Digimon or Precure, it doesn't have an endless reboot marketability; I doubt anyone would be interested in watching the adventures of Sailor Callisto or Sailor Thalassa...)
2) She would have finally had her desired good quality anime adaptation.
3) The anime series would still have a future.
But no and unlike for other anime series, I have never seen anyone enthusiastic on the anime staff. Only poor Kon was excited to work on it for Crystal 3. Sailor Moon Crystermos has had the right holders butt heads over creative decisions so much that everyone in the anime staff seems to want to get over it as quickly as possible and move on.
I checked the PQ Angels JP wikipedia page and no such thing is mentioned.
It only says that due to lack of fan letters (so I guess poor reception) and following an incident involving the loss of manuscripts, the serialization was terminated.
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I'm pretty sure that she's billionaire and don't need your precious advices to remain rich but thanks for them anyway
but thanks for them anyway
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sorry, i omitted a detail, i was referring to naoko's wikipedia page, but it seems i remember badly because i double checked and there is no reference there to the fact that toei was already involved in the pq angels project.
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