Was the Sailor Moon manga popular/influential enough to warrant Crystal?

[Lady Pen]

Moreover, I can only suppose how much Takeuchi fell from high because the goods from Tadano's design were a success (moreso than the 2 movies as Toei mentions in its report), showing us that the Japanese public is more interested into the 90s anime than a possible anime adaptation of the manga.

I thought the same some time ago. It must've been frustrating for her to see her animated manga being a flop, when she was expecting a hit. And very painful for her to see the project prettied up in Eternal & Cosmos as if it were an extension of the 90's anime.

No wonder if she will fly into a rage and block the licence again. SM has gone from being a has-been franchise to a wanna-be.

Tarnishing the legacy. Arigato Naoko-hime.

 

[Masquerade]

I'm pretty sure that she's billionaire and don't need your precious advices to remain rich but thanks for them anyway

We could have had a Precure-style adaptation = that means Sailor Moon with actual fighting and not just scepters and stock footage. A bit more like that Senshi vs Shittenou fight in season I or Inners vs Outers in season III.
If you like Crystermos the way it is, there's no need to insult people who don't like the direction it took. Nobody is insulting you who love it or saying Naoko isn't filthy rich.

 

[SM458]

I would have been great with the movies if they at least expanded the plots more.

I wouldn’t put the Blame on Naoko entirely.

 

[Talentless Fool]

I thought the same some time ago. It must've been frustrating for her to see her animated manga being a flop, when she was expecting a hit. And very painful for her to see the project prettied up in Eternal & Cosmos as if it were an extension of the 90's anime.

No wonder if she will fly into a rage and block the licence again. SM has gone from being a has-been franchise to a wanna-be.

Tarnishing the legacy. Arigato Naoko-hime.

Moreover compared to what some fans believe, there's a lot of talented people who can deliver a great Sailor Moon anime adaptation without calling back the OG 90s team.

The Crystal 3 stock footage (henshin & attack) had very good design - the bodies were very feminine and 'model-like' like manga fans wanted.
In Eternal, we have the Minako shot before she Makes-Up that is eerily similar to Takeuchi's manga art.
In the Cosmos trailer, we have the Chibi Chibi shot as the camera zooms out while she holds Usagi yet again eerily similar to Itoh's SuperS-era art.

I'm sure even with Tadano's current design take, based on her additional settei art, we could have deviated away from the moe design and have had great art quality but again with Eternal having taken so much time to come out - Crystal 1+2 had a year run through 2014-2015, Crystal 3 was in 2016 and in early 2017 Dead Moon was already confirmed to be greenlit but we then had bread crumbs updates on the most basic things - media format, character design, supervisor etc... while all seem to go for an original plan at most a late 2017 broadcast window for Dead Moon based on the release window of the previous 3 seasons... - all signs of yet again clashes between the creative heads.

I'm personally taking my guards on Cosmos - yes it looks very good but I also thought the same thing for Eternal; I even though it was going to finally be the 'true shoujo version' of Sailor Moon with lots of emphasis of the aesthetic and shoujo design (from the shots of Chibi-Usa we had) and high quality animation (from the Flame Sniper), we all know it wasn't the case with only the underwater Ami part actually being 2021 movie quality.

I hope for all the fans that the 2 movies are as entertaining and enjoyable as much as possible.

 

[Yamoon]

It must've been frustrating for her to see her animated manga being a flop, when she was expecting a hit. And very painful for her to see the project prettied up in Eternal & Cosmos as if it were an extension of the 90's anime.

That where again you lost all clues... Which flop you're speaking about ?Crystal has been divised into one web serie of 2 seasons, one TV Series and now 4 movies, which have been aired internationally and got Netflix deals... If it was such a flop it would have NEVER pass the first 2 seasons. I would admit that his for sure not a critical success LOL, but financially it's everything excepted a FLOP. TOEI doesn't produce anime just to go to bankruptcy… It's so difficult to take haters seriously when you read this king of negative comments totally not ecomically rationnal. And I’m pretty sure TOEI/ TAKEUCHI always excepted that this remake will never surpass the success of the original series… which remake does? (Specially when you start with a web series). They always knew they will produce something “cheap” to just make money. Which they did.

Eternal and Cosmos being extension of the 90's anime? Where ? Seriously I don't see anything comparable excepted the re-drawing of transformations/attacks which was already the case in the 3rd season... and Cosmos seems definitively taking again a new direction... And again Takeuchi was heavily involved in the Eternal Movies (which means she is even more “happy” with the final products than the 3th first seasons of Crystal).

The Crystal 3 stock footage (henshin & attack) had very good design - the bodies were very feminine and 'model-like' like manga fans wanted.

Because you speak for all the manga fans ? I know a looooot of people who also hate the design of Season 3 for beeing too Pretty Cure... And if you compare to Season 1 and 2 the 3 was a FLOP commercially speaking... the stock footages are mostly goods for the attacks but the INNERS transformations sequences were pretty bad in season 3 compare to the first two seasons.

 

[Clow]

The bodies of the characters felt closer to Naoko’s style during seasons 1 and 2: the senshi looked tall, had long limbs, big eyes. But the faithfulness to Naoko’s style compromised the animation. Not that I am complaining. I am a Crystal fan.

 

[Lady Pen]

Moreover compared to what some fans believe, there's a lot of talented people who can deliver a great Sailor Moon anime adaptation without calling back the OG 90s team.

The Crystal 3 stock footage (henshin & attack) had very good design - the bodies were very feminine and 'model-like' like manga fans wanted.
In Eternal, we have the Minako shot before she Makes-Up that is eerily similar to Takeuchi's manga art.
In the Cosmos trailer, we have the Chibi Chibi shot as the camera zooms out while she holds Usagi yet again eerily similar to Itoh's SuperS-era art.

I'm sure even with Tadano's current design take, based on her additional settei art, we could have deviated away from the moe design and have had great art quality but again with Eternal having taken so much time to come out - Crystal 1+2 had a year run through 2014-2015, Crystal 3 was in 2016 and in early 2017 Dead Moon was already confirmed to be greenlit but we then had bread crumbs updates on the most basic things - media format, character design, supervisor etc... while all seem to go for an original plan at most a late 2017 broadcast window for Dead Moon based on the release window of the previous 3 seasons... - all signs of yet again clashes between the creative heads.

I'm personally taking my guards on Cosmos - yes it looks very good but I also thought the same thing for Eternal; I even though it was going to finally be the 'true shoujo version' of Sailor Moon with lots of emphasis of the aesthetic and shoujo design (from the shots of Chibi-Usa we had) and high quality animation (from the Flame Sniper), we all know it wasn't the case with only the underwater Ami part actually being 2021 movie quality.

I hope for all the fans that the 2 movies are as entertaining and enjoyable as much as possible.

The thing is the reboot has had great names involved. Not only series directors, we've got writers, well skilled storyboarders, staff from Precure, Takanashi is a competent composer....Crystermos got the "Precure-dismissed-tracks". Something is not fitting in.

This is as if Toei didn't want to produce it to begin with. As if..... they were forced to make it. Like, an agreement clause; "If some of the parties want to keep selling goods a new animated project must be produced." But you know..... critical thinking mustn't exist in the fandom. It's dangerous for us to have brains.

 

[Yamoon]

This is as if Toei didn't want to produce it to begin with. As if..... they were forced to make it. Like, an agreement clause; "If some of the parties want to keep selling goods a new animated project must be produced." But you know..... critical thinking mustn't exist in the fandom. It's dangerous for us to have brains.

yeah sure TOEI did the remake just because they were forced comon…

 

[Memento]

yeah sure TOEI did the remake just because they were forced comon…

Naoko, like the Joker, is such a dangerous psychopath, she was able to blackmail a multibillion dollar animation studio into producing this reboot to satisfy one of her whims, duh!

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

Naoko, like the Joker, is such a dangerous psychopath, she was able to blackmail a multibillion dollar animation studio into producing this reboot to satisfy one of her whims, duh!

I'm envisioning someone would photoshop a pic of her to make her look like Joker.

 

[Starlight]

yeah sure TOEI did the remake just because they were forced

It's not without precedent. Anime adaptations are often used as commercials for the manga, video game or other products nowadays. It's entirely possible that some merchandise or collaboration partners like Bandai required them to produce a new anime series in exchange for their investment in new merchandise, events, and collaborations for the 20th anniversary. Having a new anime to promote the anniversary and boost awareness makes it easier for those partners to recoup their investment and earn a profit. It's a legitimate business strategy that is often employed both in Japan and elsewhere.

 

[Psajdak]

What is wrong with Precure anyway?

Didn't Toei kind of perfected their mahou shoujo skills through that franchise?

 

[Yamoon]

It's not without precedent. Anime adaptations are often used as commercials for the manga, video game or other products nowadays. It's entirely possible that some merchandise or collaboration partners like Bandai required them to produce a new anime series in exchange for their investment in new merchandise, events, and collaborations for the 20th anniversary. Having a new anime to promote the anniversary and boost awareness makes it easier for those partners to recoup their investment and earn a profit. It's a legitimate business strategy that is often employed both in Japan and elsewhere.

Of course, this is called a "collaboration" and it's very frequent but TOEI will NEVER produce an anime just because we just force them to...
They would have their interest as much as the other partners...

 

[Lady Pen]

I didn't want to log in today because I'm in a rush. So, I'll post this message and leave.

I've pressed the "Show ignored content" option.... and..... bugger and blast!!

@Yamoon don't bother to quote me. Should I remind you that you insulted me the other day and that message was cauldroned afterwards? Well, you know now why I'm not answering back to you. Please don't insist.

By the way, about my message, my unedited message:

This is as if Toei didn't want to produce it to begin with. As if..... they were forced to make it. Like, an agreement clause; "If some of the parties want to keep selling goods a new animated project must be produced." But you know..... critical thinking mustn't exist in the fandom. It's dangerous for us to have brains.

Do you know what "as if" or "as though" is? It's a conjunction. People use it to talk about unreal events, improbable, hypothetical and/or imaginary situations followed by an unreal tense, in this case I used the past subjunctive. I didn't say "Toei was being forced to produce Crystal".

I was holding a conversation with Talentless Fool by using critical thinking. Questioning things is fundamental and healthy, and very human, especially on a forum.

Until you apologise...

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

What is wrong with Precure anyway?

Didn't Toei kind of perfected their mahou shoujo skills through that franchise?

I'd say they've perfected their factory management skills in churning out the series/movies of the franchise from their fine-tuned, optimized production lines, which I think could be fully automated & run by more intelligent software in due course.

 

[Psajdak]

I'd say they've perfected their factory management skills in churning out the series/movies of the franchise from their fine-tuned, optimized production lines, which I think could be fully automated & run by more intelligent software in due course.

You jest (I think), but what I meant was simply that Toei truly learned how to make good classic, feel-good magical girl anime (plural).

Like, we have Sailor Moon, or Madoka, Nanoha, etc., but when it comes to genre itself, Precure is the first thing that people think of when someone says magical girl show, and in most cases Precure series is used as a basis for parodies, or simiar stuff.

Compare visuals from the first Precure series to the series in last few years, and even if you don't like stories, or characters themselves, you can still notice that Toei developed their animation for that kind of anime, and it looks great when they want it.


I am convinced that if Toei decided to make another Sailor Moon anime, but in similar fashion to 90s series, with a lot of fillers, additional character development, more slice of life parts where we get to know them better in private life, and without 1:1 adaptation approach, animated by people who work on Precure, it would end up with them making a rather memorable modern classic.

 

[Masquerade]

It's not without precedent. Anime adaptations are often used as commercials for the manga, video game or other products nowadays. It's entirely possible that some merchandise or collaboration partners like Bandai required them to produce a new anime series in exchange for their investment in new merchandise, events, and collaborations for the 20th anniversary. Having a new anime to promote the anniversary and boost awareness makes it easier for those partners to recoup their investment and earn a profit. It's a legitimate business strategy that is often employed both in Japan and elsewhere.

Kinda explains why Cardcaptor Sakura Clear Card is apparently getting a second season due to the 25th anniversary to the OG anime... 5 years after the first season.
It's probably an out of contract obligation. I happen to know a lot of fans of CCS, but not a single one that actually liked Clear Card in animation. It's a situation apparently worse than Crystal within the SM fanbase.

 

[Clow]

Kinda explains why Cardcaptor Sakura Clear Card is apparently getting a second season due to the 25th anniversary to the OG anime... 5 years after the first season.
It's probably an out of contract obligation. I happen to know a lot of fans of CCS, but not a single one that actually liked Clear Card in animation. It's a situation apparently worse than Crystal within the SM fanbase.

They are complaining about the animation of Clear Card ? I thought the animation was beautiful.

A justified complaint is that the story only got better in the last episodes, but those last episodes, in my opinion, were excellent… and I look forward to seeing more pages of the manga animated. Bring Sakura’s mom!

 

[NJ_]

Kinda explains why Cardcaptor Sakura Clear Card is apparently getting a second season due to the 25th anniversary to the OG anime... 5 years after the first season.
It's probably an out of contract obligation. I happen to know a lot of fans of CCS, but not a single one that actually liked Clear Card in animation. It's a situation apparently worse than Crystal within the SM fanbase.

With the Clear Card manga ending in the Fall, here's hoping this second season won't be as boring as the first.

 

[Masquerade]

They are complaining about the animation of Clear Card ? I thought the animation was beautiful.

A justified complaint is that the story only got better in the last episodes, but those last episodes, in my opinion, were excellent… and I look forward to seeing more pages of the manga animated. Bring Sakura’s mom!

No, animation isn't complained about. It's the storyline and pacing. Plenty of people say it's boring and so sweet it's giving them cavities.